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oink_oink

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Jun 22, 2022
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You nailed it! Their slavish adherence to Lightning for this long is but one symptom of the larger disease.
 
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timber

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Aug 30, 2006
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Although I dislike a lot about Apple I like Tim Cook.

The world gives too much credit and fame to idiots just because they are flashy or loud while always dismissing constant, relentless and quality work. Which is just what Cook does.

Yeah, the F1 thing was cringy. If he doesn't enjoy that they should have found someone else.
 

EdT

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2007
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1) Lots (and lots and lots) of people criticized Steve Jobs over his entire career.

2) After being outmaneuvered as CEO of Apple in 1985 Steve was/wasn’t fired from Apple but IF he decided to leave they said they would help him pack.

3) After Jobs, Apple had a series of good ideas that were too soon to work (Newton) and they also joined a consortium (IBM, Motorola, Apple) to make a CPU called “Power PC”, also a good idea that was before it’s time. The PowerPC was more expensive and couldn’t use Windows programs, so Apple was losing ground to x86 based computers and the company is on very shaky ground.

4) Jobs is rehired and soon became Apple’s CEO.

The point is that Jobs either got fired in 1985 or he willingly left (Steve said he was fired) because of the high cost of the Macintosh computer and also it’s inability to use DOS and eventually Windows based software. When he came back he wasn’t universally admired or thought to be a business guru and at that time (late 1990’s) most people expected Apple to fail.

This Steve Jobs can do no wrong belief ignores the turbulent history of Apple including the decisions he was responsible for in the mid 1980’s and just how close Apple was to going under. When he came back he had learned a lot from his first run at Apple and also the mistakes he made at NeXT, and the 3rd time was a charm.

And by the way, Jobs was rehired by Apple in 1997. He hired Tim Cook in 1998.

I don’t think either Jobs or Cook are perfect.
 

imdog

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Jun 20, 2017
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1) Lots (and lots and lots) of people criticized Steve Jobs over his entire career.

2) After being outmaneuvered as CEO of Apple in 1985 Steve was/wasn’t fired from Apple but IF he decided to leave they said they would help him pack.

3) After Jobs, Apple had a series of good ideas that were too soon to work (Newton) and they also joined a consortium (IBM, Motorola, Apple) to make a CPU called “Power PC”, also a good idea that was before it’s time. The PowerPC was more expensive and couldn’t use Windows programs, so Apple was losing ground to x86 based computers and the company is on very shaky ground.

4) Jobs is rehired and soon became Apple’s CEO.

The point is that Jobs either got fired in 1985 or he willingly left (Steve said he was fired) because of the high cost of the Macintosh computer and also it’s inability to use DOS and eventually Windows based software. When he came back he wasn’t universally admired or thought to be a business guru and at that time (late 1990’s) most people expected Apple to fail.

This Steve Jobs can do no wrong belief ignores the turbulent history of Apple including the decisions he was responsible for in the mid 1980’s and just how close Apple was to going under. When he came back he had learned a lot from his first run at Apple and also the mistakes he made at NeXT, and the 3rd time was a charm.

And by the way, Jobs was rehired by Apple in 1997. He hired Tim Cook in 1998.

I don’t think either Jobs or Cook are perfect.
To even mention the two in the same breath is preposterous
Steve Jobs is one of the top 30 most important figures in the history of the planet. Tim Crook is a barefoot bandit who will be remembered as one of the many thieves of his day, he will probably be forgotten in 100 years unless he is put on trial for his crimes against humanity. Steve Jobs will be talked about in hundreds of years in the same vein as Da Vinci, Tesla, Edison, etc
 

16Paws

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Jun 2, 2014
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To even mention the two in the same breath is preposterous
Steve Jobs is one of the top 30 most important figures in the history of the planet. Tim Crook is a barefoot bandit who will be remembered as one of the many thieves of his day, he will probably be forgotten in 100 years unless he is put on trial for his crimes against humanity. Steve Jobs will be talked about in hundreds of years in the same vein as Da Vinci, Tesla, Edison, etc
It is incredible to watch this delusion of yours unfold that Cook is some thief that is going to be jailed. I have no substantive input here outside of the fact that you're entitled to your opinion no matter how misguided and ridiculous it may be, and this obsession is unhealthy and very clearly is troubling you.
 
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cardfan

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Mar 23, 2012
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To be honest I’m indifferent. He’s easily replaceable imo so I suppose that says it all. Besides Tim is all about a team approach. Whatever happens at apple is a result of that, not so much the result of any Tim Cook vision. His main job is to keep those beats going each quarter.
 

decafjava

macrumors 603
Feb 7, 2011
5,498
8,009
Geneva
To even mention the two in the same breath is preposterous
Steve Jobs is one of the top 30 most important figures in the history of the planet. Tim Crook is a barefoot bandit who will be remembered as one of the many thieves of his day, he will probably be forgotten in 100 years unless he is put on trial for his crimes against humanity. Steve Jobs will be talked about in hundreds of years in the same vein as Da Vinci, Tesla, Edison, etc
Oh. Come. On. You're comparing Tim Apple to Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin etc.? FFS
 

Piplodocus

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Apr 2, 2008
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There's been plenty of mistakes under Tim Cook, but you'd have to be wearing very rose-tinted glasses to ignore loads of terrible decisions Apple also made under Steve Jobs. They're further in the past though so everyone forgets them. Various good stuff has happened too under Cook.

If they were that bad I'd be sporting a lovely new Windows laptop as of last year and have a Samsung S22 or Pixel by now. There's plenty of other quality options out there if Apple annoy me enough and much as I *generally* like Apple I'm not a blind fanboy. I don't have to use any Apple stuff. All my software licenses run cross-platform except phone apps and swapping phone OS wouldn't be that much of a loss based on what apps I use regularly. So every time I upgrade anything I always have a seriopus look at what the competition has. I always give Apple the hard time they deserve but the praise for what they get right.

Some stuff is all just personal opinion-based too, not factual. I was chuckling to myself only 2 days ago when I was daydreaming and noticed the notch on my 16" MacBook for the first time in ages. I was remembering all the haters at the time and was thinking about how well I actually gained screen real-estate/got more *usable* screen in a smaller laptop by effectively moving my menu bar out of the normal 16:10 usable area. I wasn't convinced on very first look but it was clearly the best decision to add a menu-bars thickness of extra screen each side of my webcam. Loads of people moaned at the time, but weirdly somehow had little to say about the dynamic island on the new phone being more obvious, disconnected and impinging nearer the middle of the screen than the old notch visually. To me that makes less sense, but I haven't got one so can't really have a proper opinion without test-driving one for a few days.

You have the joy of living in a capitalist society, so you can vote with your wallet. If you don't like Tim, the way his company is run, or the products they currently make, just don't buy any! Simple!
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
To even mention the two in the same breath is preposterous
Steve Jobs is one of the top 30 most important figures in the history of the planet. Tim Crook is a barefoot bandit who will be remembered as one of the many thieves of his day, he will probably be forgotten in 100 years unless he is put on trial for his crimes against humanity. Steve Jobs will be talked about in hundreds of years in the same vein as Da Vinci, Tesla, Edison, etc
Nope. Sorry. https://ideas.time.com/2013/12/10/whos-biggest-the-100-most-significant-figures-in-history/
 

Big Alsie

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Apr 18, 2009
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But it's every series 3 in the world
I have a series 3 that I was able to update with 8.7.1. Took forever to complete, but it works fine...although it is showing its age. I would still put in a claim, you have nothing to lose. Also, they'll probably give you a newer series watch if they cannot source a series 3 to replace yours.
 

imdog

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Jun 20, 2017
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I have a series 3 that I was able to update with 8.7.1. Took forever to complete, but it works fine...although it is showing its age. I would still put in a claim, you have nothing to lose. Also, they'll probably give you a newer series watch if they cannot source a series 3 to replace yours.
They released a fix, but it did brick every Series 3 in the world before iOS 16.1, you can look it up
 

Madonepro

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Mar 16, 2011
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Whether I like him or not, and I prefer to actually meet people before I am so judgemental, I believe that is irrelevant to many of the issues you raised. Clearly the inner workings of a company are something you are not familiar with, and the past history of Apple, which is widely available, has shown a company that whilst having leaders, has an open door for ideas, and a leadership group prepared to listen to those best able to make decision on product, services and technology.
 
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BellSystem

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Mar 17, 2022
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Whether I like him or not, and I prefer to actually meet people before I am so judgemental, I believe that is irrelevant to many of the issues you raised. Clearly the inner workings of a company are something you are not familiar with, and the past history of Apple, which is widely available, has shown a company that whilst having leaders, has an open door for ideas, and a leadership group prepared to listen to those best able to make decision on product, services and technology.
Your version of Apple is from the marketing department. It's not like that at all.
 
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