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jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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The 5C is not a budget phone. It's a higher margin iPhone 5 replacement.

Big difference.

Maybe not "budget" per se. But it is the lower cost current version iPhone....
There is no denying Apple is going for the lower cost market share......

IP5c off contract
$549 (16GB) and $649 (32GB)

IP5s off contract
$649 (16GB) and $749 (32GB) and $849 (64GB)
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Maybe not "budget" per se. But it is the lower cost current version iPhone....
There is no denying Apple is going for the lower cost market share......

IP5c off contract
$549 (16GB) and $649 (32GB)

IP5s off contract
$649 (16GB) and $749 (32GB) and $849 (64GB)

I don't disagree, but the notion that Apple was going to sell an iPhone at rural Chinese chicken farmer friendly prices was always way off.

Though I think we will see a lot of 5C's out there for exactly the reason you stated; it's a cheaper new iPhone.
 

RAPTORSKI

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Thinking about replacing my Galaxy Nexus this year but that will likely depend on what new features come along with Android 4.4 KitKat. Possible options I am considering are a next gen Nexus device, Galaxy S4, HTC One or iPhone 5S if I can scrape enough money together for that. (I am not in the U.S.)

I was also thinking to perhaps wait until next year and purchase an iPhone 6 then.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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I don't disagree, but the notion that Apple was going to sell an iPhone at rural Chinese chicken farmer friendly prices was always way off.

Though I think we will see a lot of 5C's out there for exactly the reason you stated; it's a cheaper new iPhone.

LOL....do "rural Chinese chicken farmers" buy smartphones? :)
I think they will sell a ton of IP5Cs world wide.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Plenty of S3 owners said the same thing about the S4

Really? I have never heard of Samsung apologist saying "Samsung's waiting to get it right." Not denying it, just saying I've never heard it.

And it certainly isn't as pervasive as Apple apologists saying that, I have to believe. I hear it all the time of Apple.
 

linkgx1

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Oct 12, 2011
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I don't disagree, but the notion that Apple was going to sell an iPhone at rural Chinese chicken farmer friendly prices was always way off.

Though I think we will see a lot of 5C's out there for exactly the reason you stated; it's a cheaper new iPhone.

I think there's a big opportunity Apple missed here. Even Mercedes has 'lower' tier options to compete with Lexus, Hyundai Equss and more with the introduction of its CLA class. Just sayin'. They wouldn't become 'bottom feeders' as some seem to think

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Really? I have never heard of Samsung apologist saying "Samsung's waiting to get it right." Not denying it, just saying I've never heard it.

And it certainly isn't as pervasive as Apple apologists saying that, I have to believe. I hear it all the time of Apple.

You haven't been on Android Central have you?

It's a big Samsung-HTC twerkfest there. Especially when the HTC One was revelaled, then the S4. Everyone was whinning about the plastic and the 'superior metal' of the ONe.
 

Cnasty

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Jul 2, 2008
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I think there's a big opportunity Apple missed here. Even Mercedes has 'lower' tier options to compete with Lexus, Hyundai Equss and more with the introduction of its CLA class. Just sayin'. They wouldn't become 'bottom feeders' as some seem to think

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You haven't been on Android Central have you?

It's a big twerkfest there.

I see what you did there...and I laughed.
 
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THE JUICEMAN

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Oct 3, 2007
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I wasn't expecting much but I was very disappointed. Very lackluster. I'm so excited for the Nexus 4 2013. I've left iPhone and came back so many times but this time I'm hoping to be gone for good.
 

sddabrow

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Oct 7, 2011
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Plan on jumping from the iPhone4S to the Galaxy Note 3. I previously had an HTC Evo and moved on to the iPhone4S when it was announced for Sprint.

I have an iPad2 and Macbook Pro, so I know I will miss the ecosystem. Primarily I will miss iMessage, but believe I can accomplish everything I need to on the Note.

Two main reason for switching - Bigger screen and I like to tinker. I like the idea of a larger screen and being able to multitask. Just the other day I was typing up a draft email on my iPhone, but forgot the name of a customer so had to close the draft, save it, dig through my emails to find the name, then go back into my saved drafts. Would have been 10X easier having two windows open to manage this. I'm also just bored with the iPhone look and feel. Granted everything just works on the device, I'm ready for something new and exciting.

Still crossing my fingers that the Note3 will have Tri-band for Sprint! :)
 

onthecouchagain

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I'm a fan of larger screen devices but I'm honestly surprised by how many iPhone users are willing to jump to a screen size as big as the Note 3. That's awesome but I didn't expect iPhone users to go that big right away.
 

The Game 161

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Dec 15, 2010
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I'm a fan of larger screen devices but I'm honestly surprised by how many iPhone users are willing to jump to a screen size as big as the Note 3. That's awesome but I didn't expect iPhone users to go that big right away.

I think it is the new way these days..as big as the note 3 is I think people have gotten used to the bigger screens.
 

tbayrgs

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I'm a fan of larger screen devices but I'm honestly surprised by how many iPhone users are willing to jump to a screen size as big as the Note 3. That's awesome but I didn't expect iPhone users to go that big right away.

Could be more of a statement of seeking more functionality rather than being about the screen size. Who knows. I just think a lot of people are ready to try something new.

It really hit me how little the iPhone has changed when I was talking to my mom about the new iPhones. She's been using an iPhone 4 since it's launch, doesn't know if she'll get a 5C or 5S, said she was just excited for a new phone. I told her that while it'll look new, it's not really going to feel any different. Three generations later and it really isn't all that different. :(
 

onthecouchagain

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To some of us, nothing in this article is new or a revelation.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Has-Apple-lost-its-mojo_id47329

Has Apple lost its mojo?

We've heard it before - Apple is not the same without Steve Jobs, it lacks a visionary, a revolutionary new product, and lada dada. Finally, someone will ask “Has Apple lost its mojo?” The question comes up almost every single time after Apple unveils its new products for the year.

This time, though, it’s clear that Apple is finally on its own. It will soon be two years since we lost Steve Jobs and whatever legacy of products he had left is now clearly released. Some speculated that the iPhone 5 was the last device to have his blessing, and now Tim Cook steers the Apple ship without guidance from the founder.

Let’s be clear - the market did not respond well to the new iPhones. Investors bemoaned with a collective ‘meh’ as Apple shares lost 2.3 points after the unveiling. A look at the rival camp shows a crazy variety of new ideas in all areas - 41-megapixel camera, snap-on camera lenses, large displays, 4K video capture, gigabytes of internal storage (expandable too!), and so on, and so on.

Moreover, Apple’s presentation was strange. Instead of the traditional focus on features, Apple started the iPhone 5S presentation with important, but geeky technical details - a new 64-bit chip, an additional M7 processor, and so on. The narrative that focused on functionality, apps and features suddenly changed to tech specs, an area where Apple will have a hard time running against Android. The narrative changed but its style did not - the whole presentation had a bitter after-taste of ‘been there, done that’ with the same pompous adjectives: “incredible”, “amazing” and “great”.



The two bolded parts stood out for me, especially the latter one. I like Tim Cook and even Ive, but there's something a little unsettling and in some ways insecure about the way they use these words. Like they're trying too hard, exaggerating to compensate for something they won't admit is lacking. It's all a little disingenuous and forced. I've always thought that.
 

crzdcolombian

macrumors 6502a
Nov 16, 2010
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I think the iPhone 5 is a big enough screen. I am a guy and need to fit this in my pocket. Where do people who want a 7 inch screen expect to put their phone? To me there are only 2 phones the Samsung Galaxy and the iPhone. Considering everything I own is by apple other than my tv which is a samsung. I am staying in the Apple family. I got a free Microsoft surface from work and it was garbage. I would never touch their phone. I hated andriod on the free HP tablet my job gave me and on the Kindle Fire.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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I think the iPhone 5 is a big enough screen. I am a guy and need to fit this in my pocket. Where do people who want a 7 inch screen expect to put their phone? To me there are only 2 phones the Samsung Galaxy and the iPhone. Considering everything I own is by apple other than my tv which is a samsung. I am staying in the Apple family. I got a free Microsoft surface from work and it was garbage. I would never touch their phone. I hated andriod on the free HP tablet my job gave me and on the Kindle Fire.


Everyone, give this guy a round of applause. Great stuff. Comedic gold! Bravo, bravo!
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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In the Engadget video of the 5S, the guy could only unlock his phone with his right thumb. I assume that's the thumb he scanned to authorize usage of the Touch ID. He couldn't unlock the phone with his other thumb.

So does this mean it can only do one thumb at a time? Can iOS "save" multiple thumbs so that it recognizes more than one thumb (ie. more than say just your right hand)?

Cause if not, doesn't that sort of conflict with people's love for one handed use? What if you happen to pull the phone out with the "wrong" hand?

Very curious about it. Otherwise, it looked nifty.

And FINALLY, you won't have to input your password every single time you download an app. Just need your thumb. Goodness gracious that was obnoxiously annoying. Don't forget, too, that it wasn't that long ago that Apple finally stopped booting you out of the App Store when you began a download.
 

ReanimationN

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
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In the Engadget video of the 5S, the guy could only unlock his phone with his right thumb. I assume that's the thumb he scanned to authorize usage of the Touch ID. He couldn't unlock the phone with his other thumb.

So does this mean it can only do one thumb at a time? Can iOS "save" multiple thumbs so that it recognizes more than one thumb (ie. more than say just your right hand)?

Cause if not, doesn't that sort of conflict with people's love for one handed use? What if you happen to pull the phone out with the "wrong" hand?

Very curious about it. Otherwise, it looked nifty.

And FINALLY, you won't have to input your password every single time you download an app. Just need your thumb. Goodness gracious that was obnoxiously annoying. Don't forget, too, that it wasn't that long ago that Apple finally stopped booting you out of the App Store when you began a download.

Yep. I checked for that too, seeing as my left and right thumbs have completely different prints.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Yep. I checked for that too, seeing as my left and right thumbs have completely different prints.

Nice. That makes more sense. Thanks for explaining.

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So this means the next generation iPad 5 (and next gen iPad Mini, too, I would hope... ) will come with fingerprint scanners, too, no?

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Sort of unrelated, but this seems like the most appropriate thread to post it in, but...

You know what else was a little disappointing? Nothing new on the iPod front except for the new "space gray" color (replacing the full black one previously). I was hoping for a redesigned/improved Nano or an improved Shuffle. Gonna get a Shuffle, anyway.

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Double ugh:

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Apple marketing for the win.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
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Nice. That makes more sense. Thanks for explaining.

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So this means the next generation iPad 5 (and next gen iPad Mini, too, I would hope... ) will come with fingerprint scanners, too, no?

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Sort of unrelated, but this seems like the most appropriate thread to post it in, but...

You know what else was a little disappointing? Nothing new on the iPod front except for the new "space gray" color (replacing the full black one previously). I was hoping for a redesigned/improved Nano or an improved Shuffle. Gonna get a Shuffle, anyway.

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Ugh:

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Double ugh:

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Apple marketing for the win.

with the way samsung are now adding updated screen quailty/features from the note 3 on the note 10.1the ipad 5 has to come up with something good..
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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with the way samsung are now adding updated screen quailty/features from the note 3 on the note 10.1the ipad 5 has to come up with something good..


I feel like the focus will be the new form factor. Which I'm all for. Smaller, thinner, lighter all sounds good. But I wouldn't expect much else.

The real story will be whether the next iPad Mini gets Retina or not. I have to believe they will. I just can't imagine them milking it (actually, sadly, I can) another year of being so behind the competition in that regard. I'm also hoping the price point will come down, too. First generation products tend to be more overpriced even for Apple standards, and second generation brings it down a little.

And I would hope both iPads will get fingerprint sensor. Would be kind of silly if not.
 

purplekush604

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Sep 19, 2011
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Ive owned every iphone from the 3g. I gave my wife the 5, great phone i must add, i myself have the 4s jailbroken. I honestly love the phone and will probably keep it as a back up for awhile. Im bored of apple and hate itunes and all their bs restrictions. Im ready for the change to android,
but somewhat unsure on taking the plunge. Are any good phones comparable to the galaxy s4 that will be coming out soon? Would the htc one be the second best? Also can you guys point me in the right direction for a site like iclarified dot com for the gs4?

Thanks
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
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I feel like the focus will be the new form factor. Which I'm all for. Smaller, thinner, lighter all sounds good. But I wouldn't expect much else.

The real story will be whether the next iPad Mini gets Retina or not. I have to believe they will. I just can't imagine them milking it (actually, sadly, I can) another year of being so behind the competition in that regard. I'm also hoping the price point will come down, too. First generation products tend to be more overpriced even for Apple standards, and second generation brings it down a little.

And I would hope both iPads will get fingerprint sensor. Would be kind of silly if not.

I would imagine the ipad 5 gets the fingerprint scanner like the note 10.1 got all the new S pen features from the note 3.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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You know what's something interesting to consider about the touch id?

If you wake your phone with the home button to just see your notifications you're going to have to lift your finger off the button so as to not unlock your device.

Also this means Apple will never get rid of the physical home button. No soft keys ever for them.

Just some thoughts.
 

ReanimationN

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
724
0
Australia
You know what's something interesting to consider about the touch id?

If you wake your phone with the home button to just see your notifications you're going to have to lift your finger off the button so as to not unlock your device.

Also this means Apple will never get rid of the physical home button. No soft keys ever for them.

Just some thoughts.

Which is excellent news!
 

LadyX

macrumors 68020
Mar 4, 2012
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Now that I actually know what the features and specs of the 5S are, I plan to stay with Android. For me, the HTC One does everything and has everything I ever wanted in a phone and more.
 
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