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jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
You keep using that word "different." Sir, every OS is different.

Recognizing how they're different is what matters. No one is stopping you from preferring iOS. Far from it. Like I said, 1) "preferences" just cancel each other out leaving no real room for discussion; and 2) Anybody who really appreciates preference should actually appreciate Android (which I know you do). Android is a platform that precisely allows your preferences to run wild. It's pretty remarkable that Apple consistently hits every nail on the head with your specific preferences -- magic. And if they don't, you're still okay with it (the aforementioned lowering the bar for Apple which you more or less admitted you do).

All fine and dandy. Like I said, they're your preferences. There's nothing I can say about that. I can't say they're not your preferences. Nor would it do any good if I say I "prefer it the other way," would it? What can you do with that information? Not much. What a boring conversation, don't you think.

We've been down this path before. I prefer discussions which talk about each independent from others. I don't really feel there is an "apples to apples" comparison because the implementations can vary greatly - and on purpose.

It's very simple to say, "Apple should implement Quick Reply in iOS 7" and then go on to discuss why this feature would be nice to have. I actually did this earlier :)eek: I don't think Apple is perfect!)

It's another to say, Apple is inferior to Android because it doesn't do all these things I want it to do like Android.

The second is what happens too often here and causes all kinds of idiotic debates because its based on preferences.

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Hardly. Notice I'm only talking to you like this. There are plenty of Apple fans here that I don't need to call out. Not to mention, myself -- I'm only this critical of iOS and the iPhone (and to a lesser extent, the iPad) amongst their line of products. I usually praise their macs, mac accessories, and iPods. Weird, huh.

Right - because I'm a special breed of Apple fanboy/troll that requires your extra special arguments.....

When I see people making stupid claims I call them out. Sue me.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
It's very simple to say, "Apple should implement Quick Reply in iOS 7" and then go on to discuss why this feature would be nice to have. I actually did this earlier :)eek: I don't think Apple is perfect!)

It's another to say, Apple is inferior to Android because it doesn't do all these things I want it to do like Android.

The second is what happens too often here and causes all kinds of idiotic debates.


First of all, you mean like this? I don't mention the competition here at all. Just that the projected specs of the 5S are disappointing to me.

The 5s is looking more and more disappointing if any of this is accurate:


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...nt-reveals-the-phones-new-features_id47229#4-

Not even an upgrade to the back camera mega pixels? But this article predicts 12mp upgrade.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...ures-of-the-seventh-generation-iPhone_id46538


Or this? Which mentions a mere fact that they have catching up to do, not specifying any particular competitor.

The funny thing is I'm not even necessarily asking or requiring Apple to innovate.

Nearly everything I would ask of Apple for the iPhone has already been done. I would just like them to do it! Larger screens, more customization, more freedom (even a hair more), better keyboard, file sharing, etc.

These aren't demands for innovations. These are demands to catch up.

The only time I brought up the competition (Samsung) was to ask you a question specifically about Apple vs. Samsung, which I recalled you were quite disappointed with Samsung's minor upgrades yet perfectly accept and are even apologetic to Apple's [arguably really] minor upgrades. I think that was a fair time to bring up the competition since it related to my question.

Which leads me to my second point:

You're in a thread titled "Do You Plan to Jump Form Android, Keeping IPhone, or jump to Android?"

How can comparisons not be made? The topic title even mentions the two platforms that the OP would like to be discussed. You really think a thread title like that should be void of comparisons?

You're in an Alternative iOS forum.

How can comparisons not be made?

You often post in threads that involve discussion of multiple platforms.

How can comparisons not be made?


And third, why the heck shouldn't comparisons be made regardless? How else do we gauge what we want? Would I know I want a bigger screen had I not tried a bigger screen? Just one example. I understand we can talk about isolated iOS problems, and I did in my thread about my 30 day iPhone experience. I very specifically highlighted iOS shortcomings, only rarely mentioning Android. So I get it, but regardless, why can't comparisons be made? What are you so afraid of? That one might be deemed better than the other?

I had no problem when people compared iOS back up system to Android's [stock] back up system. I readily admitted Android needed to start expanding that feature, though understood it's not very easy cause of different skins, resolutions, etc. I get why it isn't as robust as iOS, but still happily said they should figure it out somehow. I didn't say "hey hey, stop comparing iOS to Android. Let's just talk independently about Android's back up shortcomings without mentioning how great iOS' is."

Amazingly possible.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
First of all, you mean like this? I don't mention the competition here at all. Just that the projected specs of the 5S are disappointing to me.




Or this? Which mentions a mere fact that they have catching up to do, not specifying any particular competitor.



The only time I brought up the competition (Samsung) was to ask you a question specifically about Apple vs. Samsung, which I recalled you were quite disappointed with Samsung's minor upgrades yet perfectly accept and are even apologetic to Apple's [arguably really] minor upgrades. I think that was a fair time to bring up the competition since it related to my question.

Which leads me to my second point:

You're in a thread titled "Do You Plan to Jump Form Android, Keeping IPhone, or jump to Android?"

How can comparisons not be made?

You're in an Alternative iOS forum.

How can comparisons not be made?

You often post in threads that involve discussion of multiple platforms.

How can comparisons not be made?


And third, why the heck shouldn't comparisons be made regardless? How else do we gauge what we want? Would I know I want a bigger screen had I not tried a bigger screen? Just one example. I understand we can talk about isolated iOS problems, and I did in my thread about my 30 day iPhone experience. I very specifically highlighted iOS shortcomings, only rarely mentioning Android. So I get it, but regardless, why can't comparisons be made? What are you so afraid of? That one might be deemed better than the other?

I had no problem when people compared iOS back up system to Android's [stock] back up system. I readily admitted Android needed to start expanding that feature, though understood it's not very easy cause of different skins, resolutions, etc. I get why it isn't as robust as iOS, but still happily said they should figure it out somehow. I didn't say "hey hey, stop comparing iOS to Android. Let's just talk independently about Android's back up shortcomings without mentioning how great iOS' is."

Amazingly possible.

What I posted wasn't a comparison - comparisons involve two sides, usually pros and cons of each.

What happens here is:

-Android does X,Y and Z better than Apple.

And anytime someone says

-Well, actually Apple can do this. Or, well that wouldn't be consistent with their philosophy.

The response:

-FANBOY! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! (a bit overdramatic, I'm aware).

I've already stated, I'm not holding Samsung to some different standard. You keep bringing that up as if to try and make true this narrative that I am easy on Apple and tough on everyone else, when the truth is I. DON'T. CARE.

My GS4 is great. My HTC was great. My iPhone 5 was great.

There are things about all of them I'd like to change. But all-in-all, I like them all. My SPECIFIC response with regards to the upgrades was brought on because someone was hailing how INNOVATIVE Samsung was for the GS3 > GS4 upgrade. I simply pointed out that, while I do think it was a nice upgrade, I didn't get how one could say such things about Samsung and completely lambaste Apple for the 4S > 5 (in my mind a similarly nice upgrade).

Go ahead and knock that little anecdote out of your argument repertoire.

I try to add a balance to discussions. There are no shortage of Android cheerleaders here, so I don't feel the need to chime in on what I like about Android as often. Unfortunately, when I saying something positive about Apple, I get labeled a fanboy and things escalate. Comparisons have their place, but again claiming one as greater than the other, disallowing any evidence to be made the other way, is not a comparison.....
 

xxray

macrumors 68040
Jul 27, 2013
3,115
9,412
Jumping to Android from iOS. I'm so bored with iOS. The remodel looks nice for the most part but it's just the same iOS that I'm bored of.

Plus, I really want amazing battery life, bigger screen, and better specs.

So I'm switching to the Galaxy Note 3 when it's released.
 

linkgx1

macrumors 68000
Oct 12, 2011
1,772
462
Jumping to Android from iOS. I'm so bored with iOS. The remodel looks nice for the most part but it's just the same iOS that I'm bored of.

Plus, I really want amazing battery life, bigger screen, and better specs.

So I'm switching to the Galaxy Note 3 when it's released.

I feel like that right now. iOS is cool. But it's like...at the point of diminishing returns right now. I'm not sure if that's a fair comparison though considering Android has been somewhat behind in smoothness and compatiblity. Hmm....
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
I still own an iPad and a MacBook but I don't see myself going back to using an iPhone anytime soon. iOS is so restrictive, and you become aware of how restrictive it is when you're a long time iPhone user and you experience Android for the first time.
The funny thing is, I am doing all the same tasks on the iPhone that I did on Android. I admit I am not quite so nerdy as some on here in regards to tweaking my devices with roms, loaders or whatever you guys call them, but my phones all seem to do the same thing. I think we all seem to use our phones for very different things and some tasks are important to some and not others. I can't multitask with physical tasks so the thought of doing it on a phone is alien to me! lol. I just want a device that makes calls, texts, has facebook and twitter, handles email, allows me to surf the net if needed, acts as an egg timer for cooking, gets me up in the morning, has a few news and weather apps, and finally is generally a pleasant and stable experience. I couldn't get all that to fit nicely with Android and perhaps I wasn't techy enough. I don't understand the restrictive argument at all and am yet to be given a realistic example that I can personally relate to. Many list things I can't even begin to understand, and generally they haven't really counted as positives for my uses.

I appreciate you have made the transgression to Android and feel less restricted, and I think if you have found that level of satisfaction, that is great. That is what it is all about, finding a product that suits. My experience was coming from a fairly laggy and often unstable Android experience to iOS, to which I do more or less the same thing day to day. Reading here about others experiences, they all seem to be very different and I suppose I dislike unpredictability. I like a device that is easy to set up and works pretty much straight out of the box. :)
 

bwhinnen

macrumors 6502
Apr 15, 2010
304
53
McKinney
Already jumped. Went from an iPhone 4 to a HTC One. Enjoying the change.

Now it is not as cut and dry as that as I don't see either as better than the other, they do the same thing but achieve it in a slightly different manner. I'm a tinkerer by nature and really enjoy playing about with things so wanted to move onto a different smart phone OS base. I still have my iPad and there are two other iPhones in the house so I still get to play with those :)

By the time one of the contracts is due for renewal the next iteration of the iPhone (after the 5S/5C) will be out. I'm keen to see what the next Nexus is like personally as well as that next iPhone. Can't I have and like both??
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
Well, everything is official now.

I dig the finger print scanner and dig parts of iOS 7.

Did you guys notice there's no black iPhone anymore? Maybe they had enough of the anodized black scratching off?

And boy is that iPhone 5C case absolutely hideous. They look like crocs for your phone. I've also heard rumblings that it's $549 off contract.
 

F123D

macrumors 68040
Sep 16, 2008
3,776
16
Del Mar, CA
Glad I returned my slate iPhone last year. We all knew there were issues with scuffing and scratching and apple pretty much confirms it by ditching the color this year.
 

Cnasty

macrumors 68040
Jul 2, 2008
3,336
2,106
I like parts of what was displayed especially the scanner and photo enhancements but I still feel the Note 3 was the right move for me at this time.

Pretty much what we expected to be released, correct? Anyone surprised by anything?
 

Fanaticalism

macrumors 6502a
Apr 16, 2013
908
158
Well, everything is official now.

I dig the finger print scanner and dig parts of iOS 7.

Did you guys notice there's no black iPhone anymore? Maybe they had enough of the anodized black scratching off?

And boy is that iPhone 5C case absolutely hideous. They look like crocs for your phone. I've also heard rumblings that it's $549 off contract.

Except that it won't work with any protective case.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
30,991
20,174
UK
wow what a complete fail by apple..very unimpressive. but really a minor spec bump was expected.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
16,079
19,077
US
Well, everything is official now.

I dig the finger print scanner and dig parts of iOS 7.

Did you guys notice there's no black iPhone anymore? Maybe they had enough of the anodized black scratching off?

And boy is that iPhone 5C case absolutely hideous. They look like crocs for your phone. I've also heard rumblings that it's $549 off contract.

Was anyone else as underwhelmed as I was?
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
Well, everything is official now.

I dig the finger print scanner and dig parts of iOS 7.

Did you guys notice there's no black iPhone anymore? Maybe they had enough of the anodized black scratching off?

And boy is that iPhone 5C case absolutely hideous. They look like crocs for your phone. I've also heard rumblings that it's $549 off contract.

Yes it really is 549. Its been confirmed from apples site. That honestly the only surprise to me. I am shocked that even apple would charge that much for it. I guess I shouldn't be.
 

bgro

macrumors 65816
Jul 6, 2010
1,143
697
South Florida
Was anyone else as underwhelmed as I was?

I am. Even though I expected to be underwhelmed I cant help but feel COMPLETELY underwhelmed right now. I just sold my 5 a few days ago and honestly wish I didnt because I see no reason why to spend any $ to upgrade to the 5S. I might get a 5C with my sale $ and save my upgrade for the iPhone 6. Or might get the Note 3
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
Will probably get the 5C for my wife with the case.

Holding on the slate 5S and sticking with my GS4 for a little longer. My GS4 is a nice phone, but I don't love it like my 4S and iPhone 5. If it continues to do silly, annoying, unintended android like things, I'll probably get the 5S before year's end.

Samsung is supposed to get 4.3 done in October. If they prove they aren't inept and get an update done sorta timely, that will go a long way with placating me.
 
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