Do you plan to jump from Android, keeping iPhone, or jump to Android?

[The-Real-Deal82]

I won't sit here and preach that one OS is better than another because, as you pointed out, it's largely based on preference. And I personally don't expect Apple to please everybody--has never been there m.o. But I don't think anyone can argue that significantly higher numbers of high end Android devices are being sold every year, with significantly more new Android users vs. iOS. Yes, there are dozens of cheaper Android handsets that go for next to nothing but at the same time, the huge increases in sales of Android flagships is being seen every year. Apple is losing sales opportunities and the message consumers see from the media more and more, is that the iPhone is losing it's luster vs. the competition. And IMO, they aren't doing anything to stem the tide.

Saying innovation has reached a plateau is nonsense and I see it spoken by iPhone users all the time. You personally may find no need for further advances (though I doubt that) but millions of others don't. Look at what's come out just recently--LG's knock on/off feature and the ability to pair your phone to your tablet to manage calls. How about Motorola's latest offerings in their newest devices. I'd argue that Active Notification, always on voice recognition and Moto assist are some of the best innovations we've seen in a while. And now they're also taking a page out of Apple's playbook by focusing on optimization rather than beating an OS into submission with high power specs. That's been Apple's strength until now--what happens when other realize this benefit, and they offer so much beyond it? Where is Apple's advantage then?

There will always be millions of Apple customer who love what they offer and that's great. My concern for Apple is that they seem to just be treading water while their competition is swimming right past them. I was your typical diehard Apple fan for many, many years--all of the tech in our house was from Apple and I wouldn't consider anyone else because Apple could do no wrong. I looked forward to these announcements and product unveilings and couldn't wait to see what they'd offer next. But over the past year, that's changed and it truly makes me a bit sad. I've found better options for my phone and will likely not be getting another iPad this year, after owning all previous versions. If this happened to me, it can certainly happen to other Apple consumers. In fact, I see it happening more and more all the time. My family and friends were predominantly Apple users but now even my tech illiterate mom and sister are considering make a change after seeing what else is out there.

I'm at MacRumors quite a bit but guess which forum I spend most of my time in. I'd like to get excited about Apple products again, just don't see it happening anytime soon.

I'm not saying I don't want innovation, I just don't expect every phone to blow me away. I enjoy the little touches to what id already a great product. My 9 to 5 job is a product designer so I'm well aware of what innovation brings. Like yourself I moved platforms after many years as a fan of a particular one. Mine was Android to iOS. I had the S3 and preferred the iPhone experience. I guess we have different preferences when it comes to what we like in a mobile experience. I traded almost unlimited customisation and a larger screen for what I considered a more stable and easier to use OS. The features you listed are nice too see and hopefully if they are successful, then others will follow. I may go back to Android at some point I would never rule that out,

 

[Serelus]

Some people prefer larger screens, some don't. Why would you hope that Apple deny a large portion of potential iPhone owners a choice they like? If Apple finally did make a larger screen iPhone, they would most likely retain a smaller size alternative as well.

See, people always say this but it would actually not have a positive result for those who like smaller screens, right now all applications get developed for 1 size, a small fraction of these is for the iPhone 4S which was a smooth transition.

If apple were to release a larger screen iPhone alongside the smaller screen iPhone it would cause developers to split into groups... Developers might choose to drop 1 iPhone and develop for the other exclusively look at iPad vs iPhone... This means I won't have access to all apps available in the appstore. I consider this one of the big factors why I stay with iPhone. Because anytime I watch tv and they announce an iOS version of a service I like, i'll know it'll be available to me. I won't have to worry wether the developers decided to support my screen size in iOS or not.

 

[Djlild7hina]

Currently have my S3. Jumped ship to android last year and regretted it for a little but stuck with it and now used to android. I bought an s4 a couple weeks ago but decided to return it to wait for the note 3 and 5s announcements. I'm still deciding whether to go Note 3 or 5s now.

 

[F123D]

I think the 5S will be a better upgrade than people think (because of course, if the numbers on a spec sheet don't go up, its a fail update ....).

I also think the key feature focus (aside from iOS 7 and the fingerprint sensor) will be BATTERY LIFE.

All the rumors point to a relatively small 30% power boost in the new SoC, but Apple is also adding a 8.5% increase in battery capacity. These two things, coupled with new software features that help mitigate battery efficiency and the possibility of IGZO could mean we see a sizable increase in battery life.

Take this year's MBA as an example. Relatively low power boost, but a HUGE gain in battery life. Perhaps Apple thinks the iPhone 5 has plenty of power and has now turned to maximizing battery efficiency?

My guesses - only a day left to wait and see now. Being disappointed before the announcement even happens is ludicrous.

I don't think the main reason iPhone users are paying $700+ or locking themselves into 2 year contracts is for better battery life.

 

[jrswizzle]

I don't think the main reason iPhone users are paying $700+ or locking themselves into 2 year contracts is for better battery life.

Right, because better battery life is the ONLY thing they'll announce with the new iPhone

Not saying ONLY - saying it'll be a focal point IMO. Along with the fingerprint sensor.

Hell, 90% of posters here wouldn't see ANYTHING Apple does as worthy of locking into a 2-year contract unless they turned iOS into Android.

 

[LadyX]

I find it funny that those who've switched to Android from iOS feel the need to assume how the rest of us feel about iOS and Android.

Just so you know, I started using Android this year after being on the iPhone since the 3GS and in no way did I experience some new freedom in Android that I didn't have in iOS....

Because frankly, I don't care about half the stuff Android supposedly lets me do. I also happen to know/look up how to do many of the things Android users claim are impossible on an iPhone.

To each his own, but what irks me is when people feel the need to "justify" their switch by saying "Well iOS was just so restricting, I had to switch and Android has been amazing". When the reality in all likelihood is they were just bored and wanted something shiny and new.

Calm down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I merely stated that I was always an iPhone user and when I switched to Android I felt like it was a huge leap for me in terms of many things but mainly the freedom Android provides. And my core reason for switching was because I felt iOS is so restrictive but also a lot of other factors that I've been looking for in a phone for so long I found in an Android phone.

 

[hagr182]

keeping my 4S unitl next year, but I want to enter the Android world as well, since one of my goals is to become a dev on both platforms. What phone I get on late 2014/2015 will depend on the state of each platform.

Though I might end up on iOS, but I am not 100% sure anymore

 

[The Game 161]

Calm down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I merely stated that I was always an iPhone user and when I switched to Android I felt like it was a huge leap for me in terms of many things but mainly the freedom Android provides. And my core reason for switching was because I felt iOS is so restrictive but also a lot of other factors that I've been looking for in a phone for so long I found in an Android phone.

In fairness me switching wasn't all about the restricting of apple. I badly wanted a bigger screen...the iphone 5 for ME is just too tiny of a screen. I just can't do anything worth while on it.

big reason why I'm getting the note 3 is the screen size but I love the S Pen features. I love it on my note 8.0 and thats why i'm switching even though I like my S4.

it depends alot on your usage and how much you use your phone and for what you want it for.

iphone 5S to me is likely to be lacking with an upgrade BUT there are things i don't like about the iphone now and unless they brought out a 5 inch screen i would never consider it...but thats because having a big screen is what i want..

apple and the iphone 5S will be a great device..but not for me.

 

[jrswizzle]

Calm down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I merely stated that I was always an iPhone user and when I switched to Android I felt like it was a huge leap for me in terms of many things but mainly the freedom Android provides. And my core reason for switching was because I felt iOS is so restrictive but also a lot of other factors that I've been looking for in a phone for so long I found in an Android phone.

And you had to throw in that last "And I'm sure the people who have switched with me felt the same".

It'd be so much better if you (and other posters) simply left it at what you put above here, that's all I'm saying.

This is the alternatives section - I get that. Still, it isn't an excuse to give one-sided arguments and lump large groups of people into a generalization that makes one side look bad versus the other.

If that's your opinion and experience, great! You're free to say so (as you did perfectly above), but there are those of us who have switched, and haven't experienced this epiphany. It's a disservice to those who read these forums for points of view to only see one.

 

[downyball]

My wife and I are planning to move from Android to iOS with the new 5s release (these will be our first iOS devices). I've used Apple products forever, but smart phones weren't really a priority for me/us until recently. We waited to get our 1st smart phones (LG G2X's) 2 years ago, but now that our contract is up we want to move to the iPhone.

Honestly, we've loved the G2X's and Android and seriously considered getting another Android device, but when it came down to it we both enjoyed the iOS experience and interface better. We also just purchased a refab'd iPad for my wife's sister in Vietnam and to be able to interface with that, our iPhones and my 27" iMac just seems like the right thing to do.

So what are we discussing here? Personal tastes and preferences - nothing more. If the shoe fits, wear it. If you like it, buy it. If it's Android - cool. If it's iOS, that's cool too. Is one cooler than the other?? Well, I guess why we have these kinds of forums so people can actively discuss that if they wish.

But please, don't assume or judge or profess to know which or what is the best flavor of them all, because that's a slippery slope that will show your true colors faster than you can wrap a towel around your naked self.



Go A's!

 

[onthecouchagain]

I suppose I just don't have the expectations of my phones that many of you have.

Yet you were mightily unimpressed with the upgrade from S3 to S4. Never mind your dislike of Samsung (or maybe it's precisely that?) but why is Apple's minor upgrades acceptable while Samsung's "minor" upgrades aren't? Why is Apple allowed to focus on one area to improve (your predicted battery life) while others can't (maybe Samsung's main goal was to put a larger screen with more PPI into a smaller/same package?) Why isn't that commended? Are you as easily willing to accept that Samsung just wanted to focus on one area?

Are you lowering the bar for your iPhone because you know not to expect much? Are you raising the bar for others because you know you can expect more?

Just asking the questions.

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I want to note that I get that the market has matured and "innovation" is not so easy to do anymore. Just trying to point out potential unfairness in evaluating what constitutes acceptable or unacceptable upgrades.

Personally, I find the 5S upgrades/specs so far disappointing.

 

[jrswizzle]

Yet you were mightily unimpressed with the upgrade from S3 to S4. Never mind your dislike of Samsung (or maybe it's precisely that?) but why is Apple's minor upgrades acceptable while Samsung's "minor" upgrades aren't? Why is Apple allowed to focus on one area to improve (your predicted battery life) while others can't (maybe Samsung's main goal was to put a larger screen with more PPI into a smaller/same package?) Why isn't that commended? Are you as easily willing to accept that Samsung just wanted to focus on one area?

Are you lowering the bar for your iPhone because you know not to expect much? Are you raising the bar for others because you know you can expect more?

Just asking the questions.

Nope wrong.

You mistake my call for balance with the putting down of Samsung.

I actually said many times I thought the GS3 to GS4 was a nice upgrade. I was merely stating that I thought the 4S > 5 upgrade was nice as well - along the same lines. Perhaps sometimes I phrased it this way - that if the 4S > 5 was a crappy update, so too was the GS3 > GS4.

You may take that to mean I was unimpressed by the GS4 update because YOU think the 4S > 5 was a poor upgrade. But that's not what I said.

Now that presentation on the other hand......yikes....

 

[onthecouchagain]

I won't sit here and preach that one OS is better than another because, as you pointed out, it's largely based on preference. And I personally don't expect Apple to please everybody--has never been there m.o. But I don't think anyone can argue that significantly higher numbers of high end Android devices are being sold every year, with significantly more new Android users vs. iOS. Yes, there are dozens of cheaper Android handsets that go for next to nothing but at the same time, the huge increases in sales of Android flagships is being seen every year. Apple is losing sales opportunities and the message consumers see from the media more and more, is that the iPhone is losing it's luster vs. the competition. And IMO, they aren't doing anything to stem the tide.

Saying innovation has reached a plateau is nonsense and I see it spoken by iPhone users all the time. You personally may find no need for further advances (though I doubt that) but millions of others don't. Look at what's come out just recently--LG's knock on/off feature and the ability to pair your phone to your tablet to manage calls. How about Motorola's latest offerings in their newest devices. I'd argue that Active Notification, always on voice recognition and Moto assist are some of the best innovations we've seen in a while. And now they're also taking a page out of Apple's playbook by focusing on optimization rather than beating an OS into submission with high power specs. That's been Apple's strength until now--what happens when other realize this benefit, and they offer so much beyond it? Where is Apple's advantage then?

There will always be millions of Apple customer who love what they offer and that's great. My concern for Apple is that they seem to just be treading water while their competition is swimming right past them. I was your typical diehard Apple fan for many, many years--all of the tech in our house was from Apple and I wouldn't consider anyone else because Apple could do no wrong. I looked forward to these announcements and product unveilings and couldn't wait to see what they'd offer next. But over the past year, that's changed and it truly makes me a bit sad. I've found better options for my phone and will likely not be getting another iPad this year, after owning all previous versions. If this happened to me, it can certainly happen to other Apple consumers. In fact, I see it happening more and more all the time. My family and friends were predominantly Apple users but now even my tech illiterate mom and sister are considering make a change after seeing what else is out there.

I'm at MacRumors quite a bit but guess which forum I spend most of my time in. I'd like to get excited about Apple products again, just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Bravo. All of it.

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Nope wrong.

You mistake my call for balance with the putting down of Samsung.

I actually said many times I thought the GS3 to GS4 was a nice upgrade. I was merely stating that I thought the 4S > 5 upgrade was nice as well - along the same lines.

You may take that to mean I was unimpressed by the GS4 update because YOU think the 4S > 5 was a poor upgrade. But that's not what I said.

Now that presentation on the other hand......yikes....

My memory may not be serving me right, but I recall you being quite fervent that the S3-to-S4 upgrades were "just like Apple -- small upgrades." You went on and on about the irony of how Samsung has become the very thing Apple-haters hate about Apple. Minor upgrades, etc.

If I'm remembering this all wrong (it was many months ago) then excuse me. My apologies.

 

[F123D]

Right, because better battery life is the ONLY thing they'll announce with the new iPhone

Not saying ONLY - saying it'll be a focal point IMO. Along with the fingerprint sensor.

Hell, 90% of posters here wouldn't see ANYTHING Apple does as worthy of locking into a 2-year contract unless they turned iOS into Android.

Of course its not the ONLY feature but if it's the key feature..?

I bet a 4.5"+ screen alone would get more then 10% of people to switch back to the iPhone again.

 

[Arni99]

How long do you think that will last?

As long as the Lumia 1020 camera smokes the Iphone 5s/6/6s/7/7s camera !

 

[onthecouchagain]

The funny thing is I'm not even necessarily asking or requiring Apple to innovate.

Nearly everything I would ask of Apple for the iPhone has already been done. I would just like them to do it! Larger screens, more customization, more freedom (even a hair more), better keyboard, file sharing, etc.

These aren't demands for innovations. These are demands to catch up.

 

[jrswizzle]

Bravo. All of it.

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My memory may not be serving me right, but I recall you being quite fervent that the S3-to-S4 upgrades were "just like Apple -- small upgrades." You went on and on about the irony of how Samsung has become the very thing Apple-haters hate about Apple. Minor upgrades, etc.

If I'm remembering this all wrong (it was many months ago) then excuse me. My apologies.

No you're pretty correct. But I think I tend to have a different definition of minor upgrades and innovations than most here.

While I think the GS3 > GS4 was nothing mind-blowing or innovative, I thought and still think it was a nice update. Same as I think about the 4S > 5.

The whole Samsung irony thing is true in a lot of ways. But it really only has to do with fanboys on each side - each accusing the other side of the same stuff.

I've had to say this a lot today, for whatever reason. If I'm an Apple fanboy, I'm a terrible one because my daily driver is a GS4 and I'll readily admit I like it.

As for the above post you so fervently agree with - this is the part where it begins to break down:

"Saying innovation has reached a plateau is nonsense and I see it spoken by iPhone users all the time. You personally may find no need for further advances (though I doubt that) but millions of others don't."

Saying innovation has reached a plateau does not mean I don't find any need for further advances. In fact, saying we reached a slowing in innovation has nothing to do with my own preferences on the matter. I'm (and others) are simply saying to expect innovation year after year is ludicrous (and setting yourself up for disappointment) because of the simple place the smartphone industry is in.

Would we welcome innovation if it came? Of course! But that doesn't mean we have to complain and cry for it when the phones work perfectly well already.

I find it hilarious that many times, when I try to bring forth the idea that people are overreacting and that Apple is fine, I'm labeled a fanboy. When the reality is, I'm simply content. Is this a crime?

Innovation won't happen because forum posters cry about wanting more features and complain that one platform is behind.

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The funny thing is I'm not even necessarily asking or requiring Apple to innovate.

Nearly everything I would ask of Apple for the iPhone has already been done. I would just like them to do it! Larger screens, more customization, more freedom (even a hair more), better keyboard, file sharing, etc.

These aren't demands for innovations. These are demands to catch up.

You shouldn't be demanding these at all from Apple - you should simply go with the platform that works the best for you.

I know you heard this before, but I'll say it again:

Apple has a philosophy. Google has a philosophy (along with the OEMs). It is not within Apple's philosophy to offer all these things. Perhaps they will acquiesce on some (larger screens for instance) but others, like a file system or more customization (depending on what you even mean as that's a very general statement) probably won't happen because it's not within the nature of iOS.

Obviously you think the above statements ludicrous. Which is why Android exists. You are free to go with a platform that offers all of these choices you list. While those of us who prefer iOS the way it is (philosophically speaking) continue to use iPhones. You don't have to understand WHY we prefer iOS, just accept that some of us like it the way it is.

That doesn't mean we don't want ANYTHING changed. But I actually happen to prefer the way iOS handles files. There are improvements to be made for sure, but I don't want a file system and would find that a negative if it were implemented in iOS as it is in Android.

I've asked you this before - maybe you'll answer this time. If Android offers you everything you want (at least the stuff you mentioned iOS needs) and the ecosystem thing isn' a problem (which you've stated), WHY do you want iOS to change so much? Why is a big enough deal to you that you post about it? Why not just use Android and be happy?

 

[F123D]

Would we welcome innovation if it came? Of course! But that doesn't mean we have to complain and cry for it when the phones work perfectly well already.

I find it hilarious that many times, when I try to bring forth the idea that people are overreacting and that Apple is fine, I'm labeled a fanboy. When the reality is, I'm simply content. Is this a crime?

I don't know.. ask how content blackberry was.

 

[jrswizzle]

Of course its not the ONLY feature but if it's the key feature..?

I bet a 4.5"+ screen alone would get more then 10% of people to switch back to the iPhone again.

This was what I said in my post:

"I also think the key feature focus (aside from iOS 7 and the fingerprint sensor) will be BATTERY LIFE"

And you follow with a statement of questioning whether or not people would upgrade for battery life......when that wasn't the only thing I mentioned.

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I don't know.. ask how content blackberry was.

Ok?

So you're saying that users being content will cause Apple to turn into BB?

Apple won't be around for forever.....no company will. Someone will release some big innovation in the next few years and depending on who it is, companies will die. Do I hope its Apple, sure - but that doesn't mean I can't be content with what I have.

Unlike many of you, I don't think Apple is simply sitting on its hands.....I just think we've entered a lull in smartphone innovation. And, being content with the devices I have, I don't feel the need to lambaste Apple (or anyone) for their supposed lack of innovation or updates.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I've asked you this before - maybe you'll answer this time. If Android offers you everything you want (at least the stuff you mentioned iOS needs) and the ecosystem thing isn' a problem (which you've stated), WHY do you want iOS to change so much? Why is a big enough deal to you that you post about it? Why not just use Android and be happy?

Because of the narrative that everything Apple does is "done right" or done to perfection or "just works" which is a detrimental narrative.

Because I wouldn't mind returning to an iPad Mini Retina if it was priced right and the OS got the updates it could have (in some areas, updates that are actually desperately needed).

Because the jailbreak community is figuring out iOS faster than Apple can, and Apple should pay attention.

Because I actually -- gasp -- like Apple products. And actually don't want to see Apple fall and/or fail (not saying this is going to happen anytime soon).

Because it's utterly important to recognize what the competition is doing so Apple keeps improving.

Because people like yourself constantly lower the bar for Apple when they fall short, praise them gloriously when they win small; and conversely, berate others when they happen to fall short, and offer little to no praise where they excel. Believe it or not, you're not helping Apple.

Because many things.

But finally, because this is an open forum. Why do you not want me to talk about Apple? Don't let the truth hurt you so much.

 

[jrswizzle]

Because of the narrative that everything Apple does is "done right" or done to perfection or "just works" which is a detrimental narrative.

Because I wouldn't mind returning to an iPad Mini Retina if it was priced right and the OS got the updates it could have (in some areas, updates that are actually desperately needed).

Because the jailbreak community is figuring out iOS faster than Apple can, and Apple should pay attention.

Because I actually -- gasp -- like Apple products. And actually don't want to see Apple fall and/or fail (not saying this is going to happen anytime soon).

Because it's utterly important to recognize what the competition is doing so Apple keeps improving.

Because people like yourself constantly lower the bar for Apple when they fall short, praise them gloriously when they win small; and conversely, berate others when they happen to fall short, and offer little to no praise where they excel.

Because many things.

But finally, because this is an open forum. Why do you not want me to talk about Apple? Don't let the truth hurt you so much.

You seem to have more of a vested interest in Apple than I do.....and you assume so much....

I like their products so I use them. As soon as the first part isn't true, I'll move on. I've never said Apple was perfect. There is a sense of loyalty because of how MANY of their products I use, but the alternatives have become quite robust and offer ways to connect and mitigate the potential loss in quality of experience.

Asking you why isn't saying GTFO btw.....I was just wondering.

Ultimately the only (or at least the biggest) power we as consumers have lies in our wallets. If you're going to get mad at me for buying Apple because YOU feel they are falling short and want them to change, I'm sorry.

And it just so happens, Apple isn't doing all that poorly. Maybe it's because we're all brainwashed, or maybe Apple is doing something right (despite the contrasting narrative here), but people continue to buy Apple.

Sorry pal, not all of us share your views.

 

[onthecouchagain]

This is what it's come down to, folks. Preferring less. All the while unfairly judging and demanding more from everyone else.

But what else is new, I guess.

Disclaimer: Nothing wrong with preferring less. After all, it's your preference.

 

[jrswizzle]

Believe it or not, you're not helping Apple.

It's not my job to help Apple.....

I try to present a balanced view on here for other readers' sake, not Apple's. They are going to do whatever they want, and if consumers don't like it they'll stop making money.

I don't understand this:

Stating iOS/iPhone is a great option + being content with what they offer + contradicting FUD when its posted = I think Apple's perfect and I'm driving them to failure.....

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This is what it's come down to, folks. Preferring less. All the while unfairly judging and demanding more from everyone else.

But what else is new, I guess.

Disclaimer: Nothing wrong with preferring less. After all, it's your preference.

This is what's wrong with 99% of the posts I argue with.

And you say preferring LESS because that's your opinion, but I don't think I'm getting LESS. Just DIFFERENT.

Really its more:

"This is what it's come down to, folks. Preferring Android. Because if you don't find Android superior you're an Apple fanboy. "

Don't worry Couch, I'll put the word out

"HEY EVERYONE! Stop buying Apple products, specifically those running iOS. Couch thinks they suck and we need to teach Apple a lesson! And make sure you're nicer to Samsung tro....er....people who use Android devices!"

How's that?

 

[tbayrgs]

Well, again, I don't begrudge anyone for choosing iOS or the iPhone. If it works for you, terrific. I've simply found that it no longer works best for me and based on what rumors say will be announced tomorrow, it will continue to not meet my personal needs. Someday that may change, I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

[onthecouchagain]

And you say preferring LESS because that's your opinion, but I don't think I'm getting LESS. Just DIFFERENT.

You keep using that word "different." Sir, every OS is different.

Recognizing how they're different is what matters. No one is stopping you from preferring iOS. Far from it. Like I said, 1) "preferences" just cancel each other out leaving no real room for discussion; and 2) Anybody who really appreciates preference should actually appreciate Android (which I know you do). Android is a platform that precisely allows your preferences to run wild. It's pretty remarkable that Apple consistently hits every nail on the head with your specific preferences -- good for you (really). And if they don't, you're still okay with it (the aforementioned lowering the bar for Apple which you more or less admitted you do).

All fine and dandy. Like I said, they're your preferences. There's nothing I can say about that. I can't say they're not your preferences. Nor would it do any good if I say I "prefer it the other way," would it? What can you do with that information? Not much. What a boring conversation, don't you think.

. Because if you don't find Android superior you're an Apple fanboy. "

Hardly. Notice I'm only talking to you like this. There are plenty of Apple fans here that I don't need to call out. Not to mention, myself -- I'm only this critical of iOS and the iPhone (and to a lesser extent, the iPad) amongst their line of products. I usually praise their macs, mac accessories, and iPods. Weird, huh.