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ric22

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I looked for it on mine after you mentioned it--I do see it, but would probably not have noticed it otherwise. In fact, I'm deliberately trying to notice it right now as I type this and really can't see it in my peripheral vision.
I'm glad I didn't spoil it for you :) I don't know why I'm sensitive to any edge defects/oddities, but I always have been. Non uniform backlights bug me too- that used to be incredibly common, but now much less so. My first iPhone 4 and iPhone 6 both developed yellowing on the left edge of the screen (a common glue issue once upon a time), and I swapped them both.
 
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GZR

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My M1 MBA has more than enough CPU and GPU power for me but the 8GB RAM is too low.

I bought into the hype and all the fanboys blathering on about unified memory architecture making 8GB the new 16GB so I decided to save myself the £200 for the RAM upgrade to 16GB. Big mistake.

I am a light user, mainly using using Safari and Excel and frequently enter yellow memory pressure, occasionally red and encounter some sluggishness.
 

turbineseaplane

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all the fanboys blathering on about unified memory architecture making 8GB the new 16GB so I decided to save myself the £200 for the RAM upgrade to 16GB. Big mistake.

Same for my spouse with her 8gb MBA M1
It'll end up being ok for another year or so until an MBA update for her, but ... never again skimping on the RAM.

We honestly wouldn't have done that if they'd had some 16GB RAM models in our local store much sooner.
 
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Yebubbleman

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I was watching this Rene Ritchie video on youtube


And I thought he actually makes a really good point about the performance of the different types of M1 chip that Apple has released. Single-threaded performance is very similar, and 4P + 4E cores gives you good and balanced multicore performance which gives near-instant responsiveness in most Mac OS scenarios for the base M1. So for most people, the base M1 is the sweet spot of price vs performance, if you are at all price-sensitive.

The professional crowd who need more memory or more speed or specialised subprocessing know who they are, and will be able to evaluate M1 Pro, M1 Max and M1 Ultra without too much trouble. They know who they are and what they need. And those people who are not price-sensitive will just buy what they like.

But the mere fact that the base M1 is out there powering laptops, tablets and desktops is kind of mind-blowing. It’s powerful enough to do all three, and has low-enough energy usage that it can do even very constrained thermal envelopes. It stays a very impressive chip.
I'm kind of wishing that the base M1 and the M1 Ultra weren't the ONLY options for four High Efficiency cores. Because - what if you were the kind of user who is doing Microsoft Office/Web Browsing/Basic Media consumption 6/7 of the time, but that remaining 1/7 of the time, you needed more than four high performance cores (let alone more than both the four high performance cores and the four high efficiency cores)? Seems sort of silly that for tasks using the high efficiency cores, the standard M1 would be more ideal than the M1 Pro.

I'm also wondering which specific usage scenarios will someone take a highest end M1 Pro configuration (16 GPU cores; 32GB RAM) and deem that to be (RAM and display limitations completely aside) not enough.
 

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what if you were the kind of user who is doing Microsoft Office/Web Browsing/Basic Media consumption 6/7 of the time, but that remaining 1/7 of the time, you needed more than four high performance cores (let alone more than both the four high performance cores and the four high efficiency cores)? Seems sort of silly that for tasks using the high efficiency cores, the standard M1 would be more ideal than the M1 Pro.

I’ve been using my 24” M1 iMac for a good few months now, and I usually leave the activity monitor open so that I can get a bit of a feel for what the machine is doing. There are only a few scenarios where I max out the CPU. When starting up the machine it opens Safari and about 10 tabs, Apple Music, WhatsApp and a few other things, and that takes 2-3 seconds where the CPU is running full-blast on all cores. When I start up Unity Editor, there is a few seconds pause when it is engaging the P-cores fully.

Normally I see about 10-30% load on the 4 P-cores when I’m active on the web, maybe streaming some video and writing a little in Pages. That’s my standard usage, the E-cores are under-used and usually quiet.
 

UBS28

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Same for my spouse with her 8gb MBA M1
It'll end up being ok for another year or so until an MBA update for her, but ... never again skimping on the RAM.

We honestly wouldn't have done that if they'd had some 16GB RAM models in our local store much sooner.

My M1 12.9 iPad Pro runs out of memory with 8GB RAM also. I have been saying that the “8GB RAM is all you need” is misinformation.
 

Kaikidan

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What are you doing on an iPad that can consume that much RAM?
I have an 2018 pro, sometimes, specially now that I'm using some mask effects, I notice it slowing PRETTY hard on clip studio to the point of reloading the file if I check another app while using it, and this model has 4gb of ram only, I can see this happening even with a 8gb one, even if it will take longer to.
 
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bcortens

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I have an 2018 pro, sometimes, specially now that I'm using some mask effects, I notice it slowing PRETTY hard on clip studio to the point of reloading the file if I check another app while using it, and this model has 4gb of ram only, I can see this happening even with a 8gb one, even if it will take longer to.
I wish they would let you choose 16 GB of memory on the 512 GB of storage models (and made clearer what the memory capacity was on the order page).
 

Kaikidan

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I wish they would let you choose 16 GB of memory on the 512 GB of storage models (and made clearer what the memory capacity was on the order page).
Yeah... I just bought a Mini M1 so I'm short on money, but if demand for my commissions increases I'm planning to purchase the Air M1 256 or the new 11 pro M1 128gb both cost the same here, I think 8gb is enough for me, I will see which one of them is cheaper when it comes the time to purchase.
 

Tagbert

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I have an 2018 pro, sometimes, specially now that I'm using some mask effects, I notice it slowing PRETTY hard on clip studio to the point of reloading the file if I check another app while using it, and this model has 4gb of ram only, I can see this happening even with a 8gb one, even if it will take longer to.
I think you would have a hard time saturating 8GB with one app on an iPad. Until recently the maximum app RAM allocation was something like 5GB. I have the same 2018 iPP and never run into slowdowns but I don't do video production on it, like that.
 

AltecX

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I think you would have a hard time saturating 8GB with one app on an iPad. Until recently the maximum app RAM allocation was something like 5GB. I have the same 2018 iPP and never run into slowdowns but I don't do video production on it, like that.
IM assuming they mean the Clip studio that is for drawing, not video.
 

bcortens

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I think you would have a hard time saturating 8GB with one app on an iPad. Until recently the maximum app RAM allocation was something like 5GB. I have the same 2018 iPP and never run into slowdowns but I don't do video production on it, like that.
The memory problem on iPads is mostly because of the way iPad OS kills and reloads apps. More memory seems to delay this unwanted behaviour for longer.
 

Kaikidan

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I think you would have a hard time saturating 8GB with one app on an iPad. Until recently the maximum app RAM allocation was something like 5GB. I have the same 2018 iPP and never run into slowdowns but I don't do video production on it, like that.
Clip studio (drawing app) is kinda weird, it works more like a mouse oriented pc/mac app than an ipad app, both in looks and feel, while procreate limits you on what you can do or not based on RAM/Model as to not affect performance and response, clip won't limit you, if you want to do a 10k x 10k canvas, it will allow you, ipad will craw but it won't limit you, I kinda like this more desktop approach they take even if it impact response, you can still finish what you have to do without limitations beside your raw hardware. On a file procreate would allow like 25 layers, I can go way above that on clip on the cost of responsiveness, IDK if it´s related to RAM (since there is this limit imposed by apple) or CPU, but clip has this characteristic on the way they handle system resources.
 

SebCohen

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Looks like we have a winner! 😅 Hat off to you my friend.

But yeah, it’s a head scratcher. Means that the display support limitation is not a technical issue as I hoped but actually a deliberate choice…

And a new catchphrase emerges…

Planned limitations….goes well with the obsolescence one ;)

If it is, it’s a bit silly. Not many use two monitors anyway for this laptop and not enough use two that it would threaten sales of the pro. They make more money by overcharging on cables ;)
 
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UBS28

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Looks like we have a winner! 😅 Hat off to you my friend.

But yeah, it’s a head scratcher. Means that the display support limitation is not a technical issue as I hoped but actually a deliberate choice…

Same reason why this thing still has only 2 USB-C ports.
 

altaic

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Means that the display support limitation is not a technical issue as I hoped but actually a deliberate choice…
The MBA has a very constrained thermal envelope. Pushing lots of pixels with some sort of guaranteed baseline quality with a variety of apps is sure to cause issues. I see that as a technical limitation necessitating a deliberate choice to avoid a PR backlash. Apple seems to avoid adding functionality with caveats, which is IMHO more honest WRT user experience and expectations.
 
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leman

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The MBA has a very constrained thermal envelope. Pushing lots of pixels with some sort of guaranteed baseline quality with a variety of apps is sure to cause issues. I see that as a technical limitation necessitating a deliberate choice to avoid a PR backlash. Apple seems to avoid adding functionality with caveats, which is IMHO more honest WRT user experience and expectations.

That's a possible take. Optimising the die space could be another factor. Regardless, my hopes that the display limitation was a byproduct of the chip immaturity are eroding very quickly. This seems to be the strategy for the immediate future.
 

altaic

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That's a possible take. Optimising the die space could be another factor. Regardless, my hopes that the display limitation was a byproduct of the chip immaturity are eroding very quickly. This seems to be the strategy for the immediate future.
Agreed. Also, I think Apple could do some clever things WRT the fanless MBA thermal envelope (e.g. integrate vapor chambers into the chassis, plus use the screen body as a heat spreader and sink via pyrolytic graphite), but that would raise the price significantly and cannibalize MBP. Apple’s strategy seems sound to me.
 
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the8thark

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Do you really need more than base M1?
Yes and no.

No - I do not need more than M1 power.
Yes - I will need more than 16GB of ram in the future

That's why I am waiting for M2 and will consider is 24GB is enough. 24GB of RAM in an iMac would be very nice.
I was originally holding out for 32GB but I think that will come with M3 or M4. Apple looks to be slowly dishing out the gestures over successive M-series generations.

I am sure Apple has 32GB RAM in a base M-series machine in their labs.

Also for those who are saying more RAM will not come to other Base M2s . . . 24GB in the MBA means most likely 24GB will come to the base Mini and iMac as well.
 
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roobarb!

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I find their compare tool a bit... well, dishonest by means of omission.

This is the comparison of the MBA M1 and M2.

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Leads one to believe there's no media engine in the M1, whereas in reality they've beefed it up and given it ProRes. And IIRC the M1 has 70GB/s memory bandwidth, not... well, none.

Side note, what on earth is the MBP 13" M2 all about? Feels like that Touch Bar line should have been finished off.
 
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