iPad Pro Do you think wwdc21 will bring the m1 ruckus?

[thadoggfather]

Or is m1 gonna be hampered by iPadOS for a while longer?

I wouldn’t call iOS slow but having the same chip in a Mac I can def understand the concerns of utilization of all that compute being ‘wasted’. A Ferrari that’s ready to be opened up on the autobahn that’s stuck in a 65 zone

still I didn’t have the 2018+ design so fine by me. I had the 2017 and was due for an upgrade

I keep seeing tons of threads of people potentially returning their device if it doesn’t become so, or others wagering whether or not to buy in the first place on it

so poll time

 

[hovscorpion12]

I don't believe so. I believe WWDC is what Apple is waiting to show off the M1 performance on iPadOS 15. Apple will focus on a few enhancements on their end (enhanced multitasking, Pro apps), however iPadOS 15 will open up more resources/sdk for developers to take advantage of.

 

[doboy]

Personally don’t think iPadOS will change much to take advantage of M1.
In before poll is set up

EDIT: NAILED IT!

 

[tekchic]

So, the M1 Macs can run iPadOS apps... it would be nice to see iPadOS be able to run M1 Mac apps. But... that's the pipe dream. Sadly, I'm not expecting much out of WWDC21. Too many times we've had the "Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football" at these, and it just ends up being small spec/feature bumps.

I can hope for more though

 

[Apple_Robert]

I think we will see a typical Apple event. I really don''t think Apple is going to show anything that completely changes how the new iPad is used. Apple likes to reveal and release incremental abilities with stock apps. I don't see that changing with iPadOS 15. This is one of those times where I do hope I am wrong but, I don't think so.

 

[richpjr]

The million dollar question is what enhancements iPadOS brings. The only thing we have heard recently leak-wise is tweaks to home screens and notifications. There is lots of speculation about pro apps and other critical enhancements needed to iPadOS (external monitor support, better multitasking, fix the files app, etc.) that would make it worthwhile. But Apple is being really tight lipped about other features. C'mon leakers - give us more info!

 

[hovscorpion12]

I still think we're going to see the biggest OS update for iPad. There's a reason Apple went with the M1 chip instead of the A-Series, even if it is just a name change.

There have been countless rumors of MacOS pro apps being made/optimized for iPadOS. (FCPX, Logic, Xcode..etc).
Not to mention putting 8GB of RAM and 16 GB. For reference Final Cut Pro X asks for 4GB of RAM with 8GB recommended for 4K editing, 3D titles, and 360° video editing.

MaxTech has proven that the 8GB and 16GB offer no difference than the 6 GB in prior models.

The M1 iPad Pro has 0 advantages over any iPad as far as performance, multi-tasking and functionality. Your essentially paying $1,500+ for the exact same iPad as 2020/2018 models hence why there is a skyrocket if iPad Pro returns.

 

[Rafterman]

Personally don’t think iPadOS will change much to take advantage of M1.
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I doubt Apple put an M1 in the iPad, just to keep the OS status quo. Apple doesn't go to the bathrrom without a plan.

 

[doboy]

I still think we're going to see the biggest OS update for iPad. There's a reason Apple went with the M1 chip instead of the A-Series, even if it is just a name change.

To help sell expensive iPads and get people on the fence to upgrade.

 

[jk73]

The M1 iPad Pro has 0 advantages over any iPad as far as performance, multi-tasking and functionality. Your essentially paying $1,500+ for the exact same iPad as 2020/2018 models hence why there is a skyrocket if iPad Pro returns.

???

I paid $800 for an M1 11”.

 

[Bug-Creator]

I still think we're going to see the biggest OS update for iPad. There's a reason Apple went with the M1 chip instead of the A-Series, even if it is just a name change.

It is just a name change, as the M1 is just an A14x (which would have been used for the IPP) with a few extra to make it work in a Mac. No point in making a specific chip just for the few IPP getting sold.

As for iPadOS or iPadOS-apps getting more "pro" most of the market is either still running an older IPP or an iPadAir (the 2020 Air is IMO closer to the IPPs then to the lower rest of the lineup).

So just as with macOS (and apps) designed to make use of a specced out Mac...Pro still needing to run on a 5 year old base level MacBookAir everything iPad has to support a much wider range than just 8/16GB+8Cores+8GPU.

 

[hovscorpion12]

To help sell expensive iPads and get people on the fence to upgrade.

Fine, but its still the same iPad as the 2018 model. So... Your spending money for no reason. (YET).

 

[hovscorpion12]

I stand by my statement and will return to this thread next Monday to either prove I'm right or own the fact that I was wrong.

My belief is that for iPadOS 15, Apple will give developers access to 6GB of RAM on the 8GB models and 8GB of RAM on the 16GB RAM models. For those who are unaware, in 2020 the Procreate devs tweeted that their app is getting enhanced on iPad Pro 2020 models only since they now have access to addition RAM, pushing it to 5GB from 4GB.

Apple could bend the "RAM rule" for some devs such as perhaps Adobe. This will allow companies to make their iPadOS apps more in-line with their MacOS/Windows counterparts. For ex. Photoshop's desktop app requires minimum 8GB of RAM and recommends 16GB+ of RAM.

 

[thadoggfather]

Fine, but its still the same iPad as the 2018 model. So... Your spending money for no reason. (YET).

to be fair though even though I think the 2020 remains a good buy if at the right price , and would not hesitate if everything matches up, I still fundamentally really hated they went a12x to a12z. Makes the 2018 seem better value and the 2020 antiquated at release - for apple. Not in the scope of tablet landscape in general which it is still way ahead of competition. Gpu aside the cpu enhancements were single digit in benchmarking which could just be benchmarking variation even.
They should’ve opted for an a13 variant whether iOS calls for it or not

 

[nintyuser]

I hope it's something new with the m1 only chip era. Like Mac OS 11.12 will daul booted with apple pencil and touch support. I mean I know so many are against it but the screen, cameras, touch screen, magic keyboard would be an amazing Mac Maybe they could go the route where it's a hybird os you daul boot iPad OS and this new Apple OS. Something that shows some kind of "hey we are in this exciting new era of apple". But this is not going to happen. At least I can dream lol.

 

[linkgx1]

Apple really doesn't have an incentive to. Every year, we hear the same thing ''Just wait until WWDC!". It's not going to change. Because the sales are great. People keep buying up iPads in March in hopes of an updated OS in June.

I'm seeing folks buy products on promises that never was promised.

Also, I think M2 or M3 is where we will see a significant OS change. An even large amount of folks will want to upgrade by then and it just makes financial sense.

 

[Kyle76]

I expect major surprises at WWDC. I don’t think 16 gigs of RAM is put in the iPP for nothing.

 

[thadoggfather]

Every year, we hear the same thing ''Just wait until WWDC!".


Also, I think M2 or M3 is where we will see a significant OS change.

Weird perspective haha. But not even remotely offended for full disclosure.

'WWDC is always a bust, but the 2nd gen Apple Silicon is arbitrarily where it will really kick in!'
(even though you admitted there is no incentive, now or in the future, cause sales are always good)

 

[isoft7]

Nah... I mean, yeah, Apple will announce something that will be exciting for sure, but there are no significant fundamental changes coming to the iPad, and there will be nothing that comes specifically for the M1, Apple isn't going to fracture their ecosystem. In fact, one of the reasons iOS associated devices remain so dominate in performance and function is their lack of fragmentation. The only real glaring issue with Android devices is that exact problem.

So no, I mean yes, exciting things to be seen in a few weeks, but nothing that is coming is going to demonstrate a need for the M1 or the extra ram or anything like that. (even if it might benefit from it)

 

[thadoggfather]

Nah... I mean, yeah, Apple will announce something that will be exciting for sure, but there are no significant fundamental changes coming to the iPad, and there will be nothing that comes specifically for the M1, Apple isn't going to fracture their ecosystem. In fact, one of the reasons iOS associated devices remain so dominate in performance and function is their lack of fragmentation. The only real glaring issue with Android devices is that exact problem.

So no, I mean yes, exciting things to be seen in a few weeks, but nothing that is coming is going to demonstrate a need for the M1 or the extra ram or anything like that. (even if it might benefit from it)

I hate to be Jobs-ian, but if he were around, I really think iOS would be a different animal and surely would've evolved much more than just tacked on features and Ive icons (which we've now had for half as long as iOS has been around, in total), but still fundamentally the same thing since the first iPhone in many ways, too.

 

[isoft7]

I hate to be Jobs-ian, but if he were around, I really think iOS would be a different animal and surely would've evolved much more than just tacked on features and Ive icons (which we've now had for half as long as iOS has been around, in total), but still fundamentally the same thing since the first iPhone in many ways, too.

I agree 100%, I think Tim Cook has done a really great job directing Apple since taking over, I mean just look at their success it's impossible to argue. But I really do think of Steve Jobs were still around the entire iPad experience would look different, it's not that Cook isn't able to envision and execute, but Jobs was far more of a risk taker and would likely have pushed for greater delineation between the environments.

 

[sirexilor]

As a software developer, I'll wait what is going to be with WWDC and M1 iPads. If there's going to be better ways to code with iPads, I'll buy one. If not, MBA M1 it will be.

Apple could just let minimal MacOS run in a container, just like Crostini in ChromeOS. In that way, you could install MacOS apps (even GUI apps) and other tools what is needed. It would be sandboxed, so security would be ok.

 

[Serban55]

2 things that Apple can/will bring at WWDC...make the limit of app Ram access from 5 to 8 gb Ram and for the 16gb ram up to 14gb Ram...and second, bring some of their apps to the ipadOS, like xcode or/and finalcut pro and from that moment the ipadOS it will be a very desired OS for a lot of people
Procreate already is limited by ipadOS14 and can have more access to that M1 hardware beginning with ipadOS15

 

[ouimetnick]

I certainly hope Apple has MAJOR plans for iPadOS now that it’s running on the same SOC that is used in a full fledged Macintosh.

I find the whole announce amazing hardware, but not software approach to be very strange. What if Apple released the Magic Keyboard last year, but when they did, but didn’t add support for the built in trackpad until a few months later at WWDC? ?

Tim “We’ve brought cursor support to iPadOS, so you’ll be able to use the trackpad on your $350 keyboard case, and we think you’re gonna love it”

However buying an iPad Pro 2021 today with the expectation that something huge is coming at WWDC is a mistake. There’s no guarantee, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Apple had another small iPadOS release this year.

I’m still on a 2017 10.5 iPad Pro. I’d like to upgrade, but with the 11” getting the crummier screen, the 1TB model seeing a $200 increase and an iPadOS that runs exactly the same on both devices, it seems stupid. If they made major strides on the software side so I could use an iPad for more and more things I do on my MacBook Pro, then I’ll wait to see what kind of deals show up around Black Friday, and will make my decision based on rumors at that time. (If miniLED is rumored to come to the 11” next year, I’ll wait)

 

[doboy]

Fine, but its still the same iPad as the 2018 model. So... Your spending money for no reason. (YET).

The draw is the M1 chip (and also RAM upgrade). If it wasn't for that and mini-LED (for 12.9"), a lot of the 2018 crowd may not have opted to upgrade. Heck I upgraded my 2020