iPad Pro Do you think wwdc21 will bring the m1 ruckus?

[doboy]

I expect major surprises at WWDC. I don’t think 16 gigs of RAM is put in the iPP for nothing.

Just don't hold your breath

 

[Apple_Robert]

Without a revamped OS, the new iPad Pro is just another iPad release.

 

[Falhófnir]

Will wait and see, but if there are big iPadOS changes coming, Apple have done an uncharacteristically good job of keeping it out of the rumour mill?

I think they may be hampered by the other/ older iPads they still need to support, unless they split the M1s and all future iPad Pro releases off with an iPad Pro OS…

 

[AttilaTheHun]

I don't believe so. I believe WWDC is what Apple is waiting to show off the M1 performance on iPadOS 15. Apple will focus on a few enhancements on their end (enhanced multitasking, Pro apps), however iPadOS 15 will open up more resources/sdk for developers to take advantage of.

ipp os must be upgraded first

 

[Ludatyk]

Without a revamped OS, the new iPad Pro is just another iPad release.

I’m curious. If Apple doesn’t revamp iPadOS, but announce Mac apps like Final Cut Pro and Logic to arrive in the fall for M1 iPPs, while giving tools for Mac devs to bring their apps as well… would that then be considered another iPad release?

I expect major surprises at WWDC. I don’t think 16 gigs of RAM is put in the iPP for nothing.

June 7th can’t come soon enough, I’ve been waiting for WWDC as soon as they announced the M1 iPPs.

 

[Lord of the Pies]

I certainly hope Apple has MAJOR plans for iPadOS now that it’s running on the same SOC that is used in a full fledged Macintosh.

I find the whole announce amazing hardware, but not software approach to be very strange. What if Apple released the Magic Keyboard last year, but when they did, but didn’t add support for the built in trackpad until a few months later at WWDC? ?

Tim “We’ve brought cursor support to iPadOS, so you’ll be able to use the trackpad on your $350 keyboard case, and we think you’re gonna love it”

However buying an iPad Pro 2021 today with the expectation that something huge is coming at WWDC is a mistake. There’s no guarantee, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Apple had another small iPadOS release this year.

I’m still on a 2017 10.5 iPad Pro. I’d like to upgrade, but with the 11” getting the crummier screen, the 1TB model seeing a $200 increase and an iPadOS that runs exactly the same on both devices, it seems stupid. If they made major strides on the software side so I could use an iPad for more and more things I do on my MacBook Pro, then I’ll wait to see what kind of deals show up around Black Friday, and will make my decision based on rumors at that time. (If miniLED is rumored to come to the 11” next year, I’ll wait)

For me the dream would be an iPad Pro that can switch between iPadOS and macOS. If macOS has zero touch support in such a device and requires input devices, that's perfectly fine by me.

 

[perezr10]

Even without the M1, iPadOS Was due for some big advancements. I think this is the year.

I just want the option to extend my home screen to a monitor if need be.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I’m curious. If Apple doesn’t revamp iPadOS, but announce Mac apps like Final Cut Pro and Logic to arrive in the fall for M1 iPPs, while giving tools for Mac devs to bring their apps as well… would that then be considered another iPad release?


June 7th can’t come soon enough, I’ve been waiting for WWDC as soon as they announced the M1 iPPs.

If there is no revamp to the OS, I would consider it just another iPad release. If FC and Logic arrive in the fall for the new iPad Pro, I would consider that a win for the iPad and the musicians etc. However, that potential win in and of itself would not take the iPad release to the next level if the OS itself isn't revamped, because those great apps are really niche apps.

 

[richpjr]

I stand by my statement and will return to this thread next Monday to either prove I'm right or own the fact that I was wrong.

My belief is that for iPadOS 15, Apple will give developers access to 6GB of RAM on the 8GB models and 8GB of RAM on the 16GB RAM models. For those who are unaware, in 2020 the Procreate devs tweeted that their app is getting enhanced on iPad Pro 2020 models only since they now have access to addition RAM, pushing it to 5GB from 4GB.

Apple could bend the "RAM rule" for some devs such as perhaps Adobe. This will allow companies to make their iPadOS apps more in-line with their MacOS/Windows counterparts. For ex. Photoshop's desktop app requires minimum 8GB of RAM and recommends 16GB+ of RAM.

I don’t think there is a need for certain companies to need bent rules. It should be like Macs and PCs do now - the app should use whatever memory is available. If you have an 8 GB model, you’ll have less memory available than someone with 16 GB. It should still work for both, but one will have more resources and could do more.

 

[cardfan]

If there is no revamp to the OS, I would consider it just another iPad release. If FC and Logic arrive in the fall for the new iPad Pro, I would consider that a win for the iPad and the musicians etc. However, that potential win in and of itself would not take the iPad release to the next level if the OS itself isn't revamped, because those great apps are really niche apps.

Not only niche apps but any app ported to iPad is basically a lite version. Still would need a Mac to use the real full version. The best thing apple could do for iPad Pro is allow macOS to run on it.

 

[sparksd]

I don’t think there is a need for certain companies to need bent rules. It should be like Macs and PCs do now - the app should use whatever memory is available. If you have an 8 GB model, you’ll have less memory available than someone with 16 GB. It should still work for both, but one will have more resources and could do more.

I agree - just as on other platforms, let the user manage resources by closing out what isn't necessary to free up what is needed.

 

[Ludatyk]

However, that potential win in and of itself would not take the iPad release to the next level if the OS itself isn't revamped, because those great apps are really niche apps.

I understand your reasoning behind if iPadOS isn’t revamped then the iPad Pro is just another iPad release, however… if iPadOS gets a revamp, there would still need to be factors in place to separate features from non-M1 iPad Pros.

iPadOS gets a revamped… but all compatible iPad models are able to take advantage of a revamped OS. That’s considered a win? But what then of M1 iPad Pros.

Not only niche apps but any app ported to iPad is basically a lite version. Still would need a Mac to use the real full version. The best thing apple could do for iPad Pro is allow macOS to run on it.

And this is according to whom? Apple? Me personally… I just want more from iPadOS. I honestly don’t care for macOS on the iPad, if I wanted macOS… I would have gotten a Mac.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I understand your reasoning behind if iPadOS isn’t revamped then the iPad Pro is just another iPad release, however… if iPadOS gets a revamp, there would still need to be factors in place to separate features from non-M1 iPad Pros.

iPadOS gets a revamped… but all compatible iPad models are able to take advantage of a revamped OS. That’s considered a win? But what then of M1 iPad Pros.


And this is according to whom? Apple? Me personally… I just want more from iPadOS. I honestly don’t care for macOS on the iPad, if I wanted macOS… I would have gotten a Mac.

I don't have a problem if Apple decides to release certain abilities for the new pro models. I agree that doing that would help separate that line from the others and also boots sales. I can see Apple doing this at WWDC versus releasing a revamp. Apple does this kind of thing all the time with iPhone. It makes sense to focus on that with the new M1 iPad.

 

[doboy]

I agree - just as on other platforms, let the user manage resources by closing out what isn't necessary to free up what is needed.

Then you’re using the wrong platform. Why do we need another platform when there are others like macOS, Win, & Linux?

I don’t think there is a need for certain companies to need bent rules. It should be like Macs and PCs do now - the app should use whatever memory is available. If you have an 8 GB model, you’ll have less memory available than someone with 16 GB. It should still work for both, but one will have more resources and could do more.

Then poorly written apps will crash your system and constant reloading of apps/Safari tabs. Again this platform isn’t meant to be babysat. Also there’s no swap on iPadOS.

 

[rui no onna]

I agree - just as on other platforms, let the user manage resources by closing out what isn't necessary to free up what is needed.

Observation, force closing apps on the 16GB RAM iPad does clear RAM for the closed app.

I think the issue we’ve had before (at least on 4GB and lower) is there just wasn’t a lot of RAM available. Hence, the OS is forced to do more memory management and generally be stricter about what’s allowed to remain in memory.

 

[sparksd]

Then you’re using the wrong platform. Why do we need another platform when there are others like macOS, Win, & Linux?

Then poorly written apps will crash your system and constant reloading of apps/Safari tabs. Again this platform isn’t meant to be babysat. Also there’s no swap on iPadOS.

I disagree on both statements. I don't see any reason why it can't be made to work on iPadOS.

 

[doboy]

I disagree on both statements. I don't see any reason why it can't be made to work on iPadOS.

User experience. Not everyone wants to manage the OS. That’s why there’s macOS.

 

[MrEcted]

There’s way too much hype surrounding the iPad Pro and WWDC. To me that can only mean one thing - we’re all going to get blue-balled again.

Everyone is talking about pro apps like Logic and Final Cut moving over, and I wish Apple would set an example by doing such but then again I was hoping for that four years ago. Everyone is going to be waiting with baited breath and the big “one more thing” moment for iPadOS is going to be f&$#^ng widgets.

 

[sparksd]

User experience. Not everyone wants to manage the OS. That’s why there’s macOS.

Not everyone would have to manage the OS resources and at any rate, the actions users can take on other systems are not the least bit onerous.

 

[joscejrod]

My most desired feature to include in iPadOS is multi-user management, at least with two users. Now we have an iPad at home, and all main things are shut down (message, mail, safari history, etc) because my girlfriend and me would like to access our own session with personal data/settings. Is this too much to ask Apple? ?

Do you think we have any possibility to get that??

 

[jk73]

I’m still on a 2017 10.5 iPad Pro. I’d like to upgrade, but with the 11” getting the crummier screen, the 1TB model seeing a $200 increase and an iPadOS that runs exactly the same on both devices, it seems stupid. If they made major strides on the software side so I could use an iPad for more and more things I do on my MacBook Pro, then I’ll wait to see what kind of deals show up around Black Friday, and will make my decision based on rumors at that time. (If miniLED is rumored to come to the 11” next year, I’ll wait)

Not trying to sell you on anything and not sure what you’re hoping to be able to do, but I upgraded today from a 2016 iPad Air to a 2021 11-inch iPad Pro and it feels like a huge upgrade. The screen is beautiful and everything is much faster.

 

[richpjr]

Then you’re using the wrong platform. Why do we need another platform when there are others like macOS, Win, & Linux?

Then poorly written apps will crash your system and constant reloading of apps/Safari tabs. Again this platform isn’t meant to be babysat. Also there’s no swap on iPadOS.

The iPad is so powerful that with updates to iPadOS a very large number of people could use it as their sole computing device instead of using other devices with other operating systems.

If an app crashes your system, your system is pretty weak. And if you wanted to use a memory intensive application application for editing some massive video or photo, reloading a tab isn't the end of the world. And they could implement better app swapping.

 

[James Godfrey]

Personally I think it will be the same old improvements to iPadOS with a some pro apps that are M1 only, we need to see the rest of the iPad line up catch up to the M1 before we see any major improvement.

In regards to the constant ‘why would they put 16GB of ram if something big isn’t coming’ statement… you have to remember 16GB of RAM is only on the high storage options and is only there for faster multitasking, hence why Apps are still limited to 5GB of RAM.

Basically when pro apps come along, the 8GB ram options will run a bit slower while multitasking than the 16GB variants.

 

[007p]

In terms of iPadOS, I think it will be reasonable. Will that take full advantage of all the power the M1 has to offer? No chance.

At first I thought it might be a sign of something big, but once all the hype died down and talk of macs with M1X started surfacing, it’s pretty clear that anything ‘big’ won’t be this year for ‘iPad’, it would steal too much of the show away from the new macs.

Now sure, if what you want is a slightly more advanced iPadOS, then it won’t be overshadowing anything mac related and it’ll come to some degree, but it won’t push the M1.

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m starting to give up on the iPad, it’s never going to reach its potential while Apple continues to strangle it. Might as well just stick with the base / air models unless you’re lucky enough to fit into Apples tunnel vision of who the device is for. Clearly anything develop-y is a long way off.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

The M1 iPad Pro has 0 advantages over any iPad as far as performance, multi-tasking and functionality. Your essentially paying $1,500+ for the exact same iPad as 2020/2018 models hence why there is a skyrocket if iPad Pro returns.

Not according to any benchmark I’ve seen, or review I’ve read, or price I’ve seen, or comments I’ve heard.

What is the basis for these absurd statements you are spewing? I believe you are just pulling these out of ... your person.