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bunnspecial

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This is nicely said (all of it, but this section struck me). On a slight tangent (and it wouldn't be this forum without one :)) it highlights the fact that it's often a matter of learning your tool. Even if a camera does have challenges with a mirror - and the MF SLR bodies have large ker-chunk mirrors - if you learn the nuances and what you need to do to work within the constraints a given body has, you can create some astonishing images using the benefits of a given system. A lot of times people don't spend the time to learn their system or body and go chasing after some piece of "magic" that "the next big camera" has. Or they'll maybe compare an older system to newer ones and say "oh, the mirror slap on that old thing makes it useless" when what they mean is "I didn't spend time learning how to use the tool to create great images so I don't like it". Quite clearly, people create great images with most every system (or body within the system) out there. For example, there were probably one, maybe two:) great images created with the Pentax 6x7 bodies. My father had a 67ii as part of a number of great cameras he used in his advertising business. It was his job to create great images for his clients and "somehow" he managed it.
Thanks, and yes there is a lot of truth to just learning your tools.

I took to the 67 immediately when I got it, and in fact never touched my RB67 again after until I sold all of it(2 bodies and I think 7 lenses). A camera that size does need a bit of a learning curve, but one of my great frustrations with those reviews is complaining about the mirror because of what you hear without even running film through it.

I know plenty of people who passed on the Pentax 67 in favor of the RB or RZ because of the on-paper specs that mad the latter more suitable for them. The most often cited one is the incredibly low sync speed of the 67(maybe 1/30? never used flash with it so I don't know) which kills it for a lot of studio and also wedding photographers. The other is the lack of removable backs. Meanwhile, I like the Pentax for its higher max shutter speed and also that I find it much easier and more agile to hand-hold. I CAN toss the 67 around my neck and go out with it for a day. With my RB, even though I did shoot it handheld some, and it is very well damped, I still found it unwieldy especially with the bellows focusing at close distances.

I think too that the frame of reference for a lot of people is a modern 35mm-sized DSLR, and most of those(in particular the consumer oriented ones) have VERY quiet mirrors/shutters. Even a "loud" camera like the D800 isn't as loud as some old mechanical 35mm SLRs.

I've owned and used a lot of the common MF SLRs out there. Back before everything MF went nuts, I'd often walk into the local camera shop where I hung out(Chuck Rubin's, which I've spoken of often on here) and he'd have a case with a nice system in it and make me a killer deal on it. I bought my Pentax from separate items that he threw together then, and I could barely touch one of the lenses I have for it(105mm f/2.4) now for what I paid for the entire kit($1200).

My first MF SLR was a Bronica SQ-a, which was great but I never went beyond the 80mm lens with it. From there I branched out to the RB67. When a Bronica S2A system came in front of me, I bought it because it had a lot of great Nikkor lenses(and some terrible ones like the 135mm f/3.5, which IIRC was the same as the Nikon rangefinder lens and just happened to barely cover a 6x6 frame) and macro stuff. Following that came a Bronica ETRS and then a Pentax 645. The former felt cheap and fragile to me(especially the film backs) plus each of the four backs I had leaked light like a sieve and I couldn't find seal replacement kits for them. I liked the Pentax, but didn't really want AE in my MF SLRs nor did I like the 1980s VCR UI.

The Hasselblad made me do some soul search and also some money digging, and out went all my other 6x6 and 645 stuff. I held onto the Pentax 645 for a little while, but finally just resigned to never using it or building the system(I only had one lens) so it went. The Pentax 67 made me get rid of the RB.

I say all of that because anyone who I hear complain about a loud or vibration prone shutter I know hasn't actually used a truly loud, earth shaking shutter. The common MF SLRs range in volume, but the major ones(i.e. the ones that actually caught on and people still talk about) like the Hasselblad V system, the RB/RZ67, and the various Pentax cameras, do a great job of damping their mirror. There are some occasions in the Pentax 67(or 6x7, or 67ii) that you can get some strange recoil impulses from the big horizontal shutter.

The absolute worst I've used, and I think most who have used one agree, is the Bronica S2. They're a horrible Rube Goldberg contraption. They were notable for having an instant return mirror, but the way it was accomplished was...interesting. The mirror is hinged from the front bottom of the mirror box, and when you hit the shutter button, it "falls". Because there's now a big shiny mirror at the bottom to scatter light on your film, a silk blind rolls over it to cover it up. Light from the focusing screen, normally blocked out by the mirror popping up, is still there, so you have another flap(like you'd find in a lot of other MF SLRs) that swings up like the mirror to cover the focusing screen. Once all of that has happened, the shutter fires. Of course, once it does, the flap over mirror has to retract, the silk blind unroll, and then the mirror pop up. All of that results in a cacophony of different sounds, and all of those different things moving in all different directions, each in and of itself fairly large, gives you different forces at different times pulling in every which direction.
 
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tcphoto1

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My medium format journey started with the Mamiya 645Pro then the Pentax 67II and finished with the RZProII. I loved the bellows focus and rotating backs on the RZ and those transparencies were beautiful on a light table. The mirror slap on the Pentax was audible but I got around the 1/30 sync speed by buying the leaf shutter lenses. I assisted guys that used the Contax 645 system and always appreciated the compact system and outstanding lenses. Funny, I do not miss the multiple trips to the lab to drop film, judge clips and the finished film.
 
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Laird Knox

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Nice.

You live somewhere where a semi-permanent pano rig would be useful though.
Nothing permanent about it, except for the hit to my wallet buying two D800s when they came out. I did buy one of them grey market so a saved a little.

I have a bar with an Arca-Swiss style plate on the bottom so I can snap it into my tripod mounted ball head. Then on top it has two Arca-Swiss style receivers to mount the camera to. I would love to add a third camera to the mix so I can mount three in portrait mode to get more vertical. I also matched prime lenses to the cameras to that I didn't have to deal with zoom focal lengths.

I originally mounted the cameras on two tripods and placed them about ten feet apart. This was an utter fail as it created some extreme parallax even though I went to great pains to align the focal planes. In hindsight it makes sense but it was a learning experience. The side by side cameras are close enough that the parallax is manageable. I triggered them with a manual shutter release connected to a Y-cable.

I've always wanted to give the rig a try at a dragstrip. I think it would be fascinating to get a pano shot of a top fuel dragster taking off the line. There's no way you could get a conventional pano of that.

Before that I think it's time to pull the King out one of these days. I haven't shot film in a long time. I'll just need to invest in a descent scanner so that I can digitize the 8x10 negatives. ;)
 
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bunnspecial

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My medium format journey started with the Mamiya 645Pro then the Pentax 67II and finished with the RZProII. I loved the bellows focus and rotating backs on the RZ and those transparencies were beautiful on a light table. The mirror slap on the Pentax was audible but I got around the 1/30 sync speed by buying the leaf shutter lenses. I assisted guys that used the Contax 645 system and always appreciated the compact system and outstanding lenses. Funny, I do not miss the multiple trips to the lab to drop film, judge clips and the finished film.

I've always meant to add one of the leaf shutter lenses to my kit.

A local shop(not the same one where I bought the camera) had the 90mm for $175. It looks like they're $250ish on Ebay now, so it's not outrageous to get one.

With that said, if I didn't have the 105mm it might make sense to have as a normal lens. Since I do have it, I'm afraid I'd rarely if ever use it.
 

tcphoto1

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I assisted a photographer that used Hasselblad and I understood the benefit of using up to 1/500 with flash. I bought the leaf shutter lenses for the Mamiya 645Pro and Pentax 67II and found them to be higher build quality to the standard lenses. These days, I get around that by using a PW FlexTT6 with my Profoto kits.
 

soulreaver99

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I had to take a minute to marvel at my empire.

Sony A7III as the main camera, Tamron 17-28 F2.8 for wide photos/videos, Tamron 28-75 for better close ups and was my main lens for the longest time (90% of the time on 35mm) and just recently picked up the Sony 35mm F1.4 as my prime lens.

B-rolls I use a Sony RX100V or alternate to whatever iPhone I have if I'm feeling lazy.
 

Neil.gtis

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I use 3 cameras. Mr. Powershot for stills, iphone, and my canon camcorder for video. What about you? I have noted that the Powershot does not have all the video features of the canon camcorder so why I use that also.
Yes I do iPhone for general photos
Panasonic video camera and Panasonic bridge camera for holidays
Pentax k5 k3 and Canon 7d camera’s for wildlife and Astro photos
Neil
 
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JahBoolean

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iPhone 11pro for Documentary photography

Leica M6 for family occasions/ holidays

Have not used the 6d in a while
 

tizeye

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Two cameras plus iPhone. Plus for special projects, two more cameras (film). Usually just have one camera plus phone but forget to use the phone. The other day was taking video with the Sony A7rIII, and on the original had the A6000 for stills, but this was a retake of certain scenes. With the Sony in a Ronin full cage stabilizer, difficult to switch back to stills and later as assembling a video realized would have been nice to have stills of the flooded area when I dawned on me that had my phone on me. Looking at a GoPro for mobile stabilized video and plan to compare it vs the newer Sony's released with a video bias. They have better optics but don't have the advanced stabilization as the target group was bloggers which typically have a tripod camera setup. May try them all out with generous return policy to get a good feel...and hope Sony comes out with the next greatest model in either the 1" or crop sensor.
 

jwolf6589

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Two cameras plus iPhone. Plus for special projects, two more cameras (film). Usually just have one camera plus phone but forget to use the phone. The other day was taking video with the Sony A7rIII, and on the original had the A6000 for stills, but this was a retake of certain scenes. With the Sony in a Ronin full cage stabilizer, difficult to switch back to stills and later as assembling a video realized would have been nice to have stills of the flooded area when I dawned on me that had my phone on me. Looking at a GoPro for mobile stabilized video and plan to compare it vs the newer Sony's released with a video bias. They have better optics but don't have the advanced stabilization as the target group was bloggers which typically have a tripod camera setup. May try them all out with generous return policy to get a good feel...and hope Sony comes out with the next greatest model in either the 1" or crop sensor.
I have discovered that using a camcorder for stills is a bad idea due to a lack of features.
 

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I have discovered that using a camcorder for stills is a bad idea due to a lack of features.
You can do it if you are shooting 4K. You need the higher resolution to be able to pull a still image out of it.
 

tizeye

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In post (I use FCPX) you can extract nice stills, your scene of choice …That’s how I do it..
I have discovered that using a camcorder for stills is a bad idea due to a lack of features.
Not a problem with features on a Sony a7r3. The problem is switching settings, even if don’t dismount from a stabilizer. While yes can pull stills from 4K video in FCPX, won’t be of the quality of a still from a 42mp sensor when video iso, shutter and aperture are set vs what would use for a still. Plus, there is the issue of framing, as unless during the special technique of a pull, I don’t touch the zoom during video recording.
 

jwolf6589

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Not a problem with features on a Sony a7r3. The problem is switching settings, even if don’t dismount from a stabilizer. While yes can pull stills from 4K video in FCPX, won’t be of the quality of a still from a 42mp sensor when video iso, shutter and aperture are set vs what would use for a still. Plus, there is the issue of framing, as unless during the special technique of a pull, I don’t touch the zoom during video recording.
Is this a still camera or a camcorder?
 
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