Sorry if I am being off-topic for the thread, but I wonder if a lot of consumer digital camera lines are going to go extinct because of phone cameras.
Well, the model is old, so there are deals now, but you pay for that lens....
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Well, the model is old, so there are deals now, but you pay for that lens....
I hope not but maybe. I prefer a Powershot or other type of non phone camera.
Probably -- we see that happening already with small P&S cameras. There is still a market for the somewhat larger bridge cameras but as time goes on that, too, may fade. In some instances people begin to experience the limitations of a bridge camera and want something more, so they move on to an ILC and find more flexibility in that, or they decide that they're happy enough with the shots they can get from their smartphones, as the technology continues to improve in those each year, and they don't bother buying any other camera again.
My mom has a DSLR (Canon) and does not use it because she uses her phone all the time. Even the pro camera market is fading to phones,
Then you have people like me, who had been shooting for years and then got kind of burned out so I went on a sort of hiatus for a while. I bought the RX10 IV for a particular trip and didn't have great expectations of it prior to setting out with it, but was more than pleasantly surprised by its handling and the resulting images. When I returned home instead of stashing the thing in the cabinet or a bag, I found myself taking it with me on walks around the lake.....and began shooting more and more frequently. When I started shooting just about every day it was pretty clear that the old enthusiasm for photography was back.
At some point I began becoming frustrated with the limitations of the RX10 IV, especially when it came to shooting tabletops, closeups and macros indoors, and although I had other gear that I could use for that purpose, I also had become rather hooked on the EVF and decided that since my other gear was older that this would be a good time to make the shift to mirrorless all the way, and so I did..... And the first lens on my list for the new gear was a macro lens, which to this day remains a favorite. I had every intention of still using the RX10 IV frequently, especially for telephoto shots, and that idea lasted all of a month or so. One day while standing out on the deck shooting the geese I thought, "the image quality would be so much better with the A7R IV and a long lens...." The next day I brought home another lens, the 200-600mm.
So, yeah, I definitely went the opposite direction, in getting back into heavier ILC gear again rather than being content with the comparatively lightweight all-in-one fixed-lens bridge camera.....
At some point I began becoming frustrated with the limitations of the RX10 IV, especially when it came to shooting tabletops, closeups and macros indoors, and although I had other gear that I could use for that purpose, I also had become rather hooked on the EVF and decided that since my other gear was older that this would be a good time to make the shift to mirrorless all the way, and so I did..... And the first lens on my list for the new gear was a macro lens, which to this day remains a favorite. I had every intention of still using the RX10 IV frequently, especially for telephoto shots, and that idea lasted all of a month or so. One day while standing out on the deck shooting the geese I thought, "the image quality would be so much better with the A7R IV and a long lens...." The next day I brought home another lens, the 200-600mm.
So, yeah, I definitely went the opposite direction, in getting back into heavier ILC gear again rather than being content with the comparatively lightweight all-in-one fixed-lens bridge camera.....
Whether or not something is a "pro" camera depends on whether it's being used to generate income for the photographer.
With that said, I see low end DSLRs and perhaps even low end mirrorless as going similarly to P&S cameras. Cameras like the Canon Rebel line and the Nikon 3xxx and 5xxx cameras may be better in a lot of ways than phone cameras and P&S/bridge cameras including image quality, feature set, and the ability to tap into their respective manufacturers lens lines(a new 120-300mm f/2.8 Nikon zoom works perfectly on a D3500). An APS-C sensor is inherently less noisy and has better high ISO performance than even a 1" sensor. With that said, they are bigger and a lot of folks who buy them never venture beyond the included 18-55mm lens. Some MIGHT add on a 55-200/55-300 or maybe even swap both for an 18-200/18-300 zoom(or may buy a kit that includes one of those lenses instead of an 18-55) but many people will never go beyond what's in the box with their camera.
Higher end cameras will always have a home, IMO, whether it's enthusiastic amateurs or people making money from them. It's hard to photograph a wedding in a dimly lit church with a phone or P&S, or get those exciting headline images of a football game with one. That's why if you look at the sidelines of a major sporting event, you'll still see big lenses on monopods.
The recent(ish) round of flagship DSLR releases like the Nikon D6 may be the end of the line for those, but the recent flagship mirrorless cameras will likely continue to be developed for the forseeable future.
As a side note, there's an interesting parallel that Nikons last and arguably best 35mm SLR, the F6, was released after DSLRs had taken over most markets. If you use an F6(I do regularly) you will find it less like an F5(its immediate predecessor) and more like an F100/D2 series mashup that sits at an interim size/weight between the F100 and F5 or D2. The first Nikon SLR, the F, was released in 1959, and the last, the F6, was released in 2002, or 43 years(and the F6 continued in production until I think 2019, or maybe 2020-whenever Nikon decided to stop making cameras in Japan). I don't expect a D7, and honestly from what I know of the D6 it's similar enough that it really could have been called the D5s. Still, though, they're likely stopping at the D6, and it took 21 years to get there(1999 for the D1, 2020 for the D6)...we'll see if something like a D880 comes out, but I'm not optimistic about that either.
Yes it is true at sporting events do I see pro cameras being used on the sidelines. In the stands however it’s all phones but the pro photographers don’t bother with phones.
At this point in time I think that anyone just starting out in photography who wants to move beyond a smartphone or a P&S would be best served by going right into mirrorless rather than DSLR technology and lenses, especially if they really want to learn, develop skills and grow as they continue shooting.
With an eye toward building a future system, I don't disagree.
With that said, if one wants a minimal investment that's still very capable of showing what a "high end" camera can do, I can't help but thinking that something like a Nikon D700 with a 24-120mm f/4 or 24-85mm VR is still a capable bundle that can get them going for what a high end P&S/bridge will cost.
Yes, the D700 is ancient technology now, but I think anyone coming to this field of cameras would be blown away by how clean even its 12mp sensor is, and the BIG benefit is it shows a prospective "serious photographer" just how a high end camera handles. It strips out a lot of stuff that is best avoided like "scene" modes to just get down to PSAM and still holds its own with things like shutter lag and frame rate.
Best of all, too, is that again it's inexpensive enough that the cost of entry is very low, and I think values are at rock bottom so if a person decides its not for them OR wants to move into a mirrorless system, they could resell and conceivably be out less money than renting a current camera for a week.
My DSLR path was Rebel XS(for a long time and never really used it...I wasn't ready to embrace digital and didn't have much motivation to build an EOS system) to D70(had already started building a manual focus and early AF Nikon system, the latter of which worked well on the D70) the D2X(gave me a taste of a modern-ish pro body, even though it's a very dated camera now) then D300(not a huge improvement over the D2X) and finally a D800 where I stayed for a LONG time even though I added some other stuff for special purposes like the D3s for high speed full frame, a D600 for a light full frame body, replaced that with a Df for an even lighter camera that works with every Nikon lens I own, picked up a D700 along the way just because, and finally bought a D810 because they were finally within my price range, an upgrade from the D800 in some very subtle ways that I didn't realize how important they were until I had one, and most importantly brought me to a point where I had two bodies that were nearly identical in handling and final result.
Personally I think there is always a need for it. That's what makes the world go round.
Wait..what is it? Do pros use iPhones or not? You seem to have given both answers?
At sporting events it seems to be all pro cameras but in other ventures and professions perhaps people use phones.
Any specific comparisons? I've got both a GoPro H9B and an RX100M7. Not the newest GoPro or the ZV-1 (which is a tad more video focused than the RX), but pretty similar.
Pro sporting events don't allow fans to bring "pro" cameras, so fans in the stands have little option but to use their phones. The pros on the sidelines wouldn't get great results with phones.
what i am doing now is using a microscope.
wow
how fascinating!
seeing things in full life
vibrant and colorful!
movements and exploration!
no ssd cards
no usb cable
and
NO EDITING!
wow
how fascinating!
seeing things in full life
vibrant and colorful!
movements and exploration!
no ssd cards
no usb cable
and
NO EDITING!
Pick it up again, ask questions about it. Once you get used to it you might learn to love it.
Yes there is a learning curve but worth it.