I think the next transition will be to move the FaceID sensors to the bezel area.
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Other Does Apple not know how to get rid of the notch or are they choosing not to?
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they most certainly know how to get rid of the notch. we already saw the pill cutout, and the punch hole cutout on android phones for over 5 years now
the problem is that apple's entire iPhone philosophy is to maintain their 30%+ margins. that is the basis of how they make every design and feature decision. If it cuts into that margin, they are going to wait for it to get cheaper to put into the phones.
its been 5 years+ years of the notch at this point and you're telling me in 5 years the most innovation was to shrink its width by 20%?
Getting rid of the notch simply isn't a priority for them because it costs way more to continually iterate and invent it down to a punch hole or to get rid of it completely than to just wait for the entire technology suite to be perfected. If shrinking the notch was a innovative endeavor they wanted, it would already be -50% in size years ago, but that costs too much $. they would rather wait for the generational leap in advancement performed by someone else so that it'll be cheaper to put into the iPhone
so odds are we'll just wake up one day (next year?) and be given a $1200 option to buy a punch hole iPhone. then a year after that we'll be lucky if it filters down to the regular iPhones.
the problem is that apple's entire iPhone philosophy is to maintain their 30%+ margins. that is the basis of how they make every design and feature decision. If it cuts into that margin, they are going to wait for it to get cheaper to put into the phones.
its been 5 years+ years of the notch at this point and you're telling me in 5 years the most innovation was to shrink its width by 20%?
Getting rid of the notch simply isn't a priority for them because it costs way more to continually iterate and invent it down to a punch hole or to get rid of it completely than to just wait for the entire technology suite to be perfected. If shrinking the notch was a innovative endeavor they wanted, it would already be -50% in size years ago, but that costs too much $. they would rather wait for the generational leap in advancement performed by someone else so that it'll be cheaper to put into the iPhone
so odds are we'll just wake up one day (next year?) and be given a $1200 option to buy a punch hole iPhone. then a year after that we'll be lucky if it filters down to the regular iPhones.
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Exactly. Apple's using a sophisticated system to analyze a 3D map of your face and infrared images. The others are just using a simple flat picture. The equivalent of a Google image search. So, Apple has to get way more items crammed together for a punch hole or working underscreen. While everyone else just has to get one or two cameras.
Yes I’m aware, but its been doing that for 4 years now with little to no improvements.
And 4,573,457 people who can’t help but come into those threads and needlessly complain them. Will it ever end?
Nobody else has stuck a VCSEL laser dot projector array on the front of a phone. Anyone without a notch is simply using a camera for facial recognition.
I hope you don't truly believe what you're saying, do you? You do realize that Apple uses it's own products right? Why would they purposely design the iPhone with an "annoying" notch if they're using their own products? Do you think the CEO of Apple would be fine using a lesser designed iPhone year after year until the notch is gone? Doubtful that it's as Cut n' Dry as you make it out to be. Unless you think Apple makes a special edition notchless model for them to secretly use while laughing at their customers with the notched version? 🙄
do you really think the CEO of apple is using the 13 pro? Steve Jobs was using the iPhone before it was even announced. so ill let you think about that for a minute
I don’t recall anyone whining in this thread, and I actually said I don’t mind the notch. But if coming in and complaining about people asking questions about the notch floats your boat then you do you.
The rumor mill was confident in a lot of things that didn’t happen at the September 2021 event.
I don’t think it’s possible for Apple to fit the entire TrueDepth system in a hole punch. Many android phones use a very inferior authentication system to Face ID, with fewer sensors, often just the camera itself and software. Like old laptop face authentication that’s been around forever. You can fool those with a picture of someone’s face.
I hope they are as accurate about that as they were about the Series 7 Apple Watch this year.
The hole punch looks far worse than the iconic notch.
The notch blends nicely with the bezel while the hole punch looks like someone drilled a hole in my display.
Based on the fact that the FaceID system requires 5 different sensors to work, what kind of technical improvement you realistically expect to happen??? I'm serious, please explain. Things don't work by magic.
I don't see Apple going to a top bezel. And miniaturizing things has its limits. So, if they keep investing in the FaceID technology, I only see one of two options:
- under the screen sensors for the facial recognition system, working flawlessly and allowing Apple to go "full screen and edge to edge"
- by some technological marvel, they find a way to blend all the sensors into one, allowing it to be placed in the aforementioned punch hole
In either case, technology doesn't seems to be there yet, so we'll have to deal with the notch for a while...
I wonder if Apple offered 2 lines, one with FaceID and a notch, and one with TouchID (on the rear of the phone or power button with an edge-to-edge screen), but otherwise exactly the same, which one would sell better.
I have my theories.
I have my theories.
Speed to unlock and distance to unlock improvements are two that I can think of that would be helpful. Its technology, of course it can be improved and made better.
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I’ll bet when they figure it all out and get the notch removed they’ll have an interestingly named feature that you can use your phone any which way no matter how you pick it up.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the physical space used by the sensors in the chassis and the size of the notch, which was what you were talking about in the first place.
Uh, yes it does. The physical space could be shrunk down to way smaller as well as the sensors improved to make the technology better.
AS others have noted, it’s really the FaceID enablement that is causing the need to maintain the notch. From my limited technical understanding from a friend at apple, the Dot Projector that enables FaceID cannot easily or at all be replicated with even a hole punch camera that serves many functions. Even DP inside of a the hole punch was too cumbersome. My contact says his guess Is that actually FaceID goes AWAY (replaced with a more traditional facial recognition feature) and is replaced with an in screen touch ID, as other companies have continued to develop and a camera based facial recognition would be only secondary. Some of these sensors could get smaller, but they aren’t going to fit into the small edge bezel anytime soon.
And as I said, you cannot keep miniaturizing into infinity. And even if Apple could shrink them down a bit (which they would if they could, at the moment), they would still occupy some space and the notch would still exist.
The only solution, again as I already said, would be to find a way to merge all the sensors into one that fits into a punch hole, or find a reliable way to use under the screen sensors.
Just wishing "improvements" doesn't make the thing go away. So no, what you said has nothing to do with the notch.