His RGB and LUNA scopes show a problem. Just saying ~ He's gonna pull an all nighter.So I actually listened to the entire podcast while driving back home tonight. He knows his stuff, but as much as he talks about the importance of calibration, as he should, he doesn't mention the fact that you can't calibrate the XDR. He seems most impressed with its contrast ratio compared to his Eizo, but he's overlooking color accuracy, which is quite strange. He talks about CalMAN and calibrating his LG OLED, and you can (and should) do the same 3D LUT calibration on the Eizos (I prefer LightSpace/ColourSpace myself over CalMAN, but same principle). You can't do any of that on the XDR. I don't see where the XDR would even fit in his workflow TBH. You have your main monitor, your waveform, and the larger monitor with a direct SDI/HDMI feed. If I was purely a colorist, using Resolve, I would have an Eizo as the main monitor calibrated with 3D LUT, a cheaper LCD for waveform, and a 48" LG CX OLED calibrated with 3D LUT. Unfortunately, the XDR falls short in this very important area. I know Apple has hinted of "upcoming" calibration abilities, but seems tied macOS/software, no idea really TBH.
Read some comments from other pro colorists, and you'll see why the Eizo is preferred by them over the XDR.
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I just looked him up, and here's his workspace. He's using the XDR has his main working/editing monitor and the Eizo for his color critical workLG up high for OLED/client check, scopes, waveforms, etc.
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MP 7,1 Does it make sense to purchase a 7,1 Mac Pro today?
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I find it funny that a Mac mini is cheaper than the iPhone....
He’s using a 30k $ Sony as his main reference screen as far as I know. Anyways- you can calibrate the XDR with 3D Luts! Apple on purpose designed the whole thing modular so you can purchase it cheaper if you don’t require this. But you have the option:So I actually listened to the entire podcast while driving back home tonight. He knows his stuff, but as much as he talks about the importance of calibration, as he should, he doesn't mention the fact that you can't calibrate the XDR. He seems most impressed with its contrast ratio compared to his Eizo, but he's overlooking color accuracy, which is quite strange. He talks about CalMAN and calibrating his LG OLED, and you can (and should) do the same 3D LUT calibration on the Eizos (I prefer LightSpace/ColourSpace myself over CalMAN, but same principle). You can't do any of that on the XDR. I don't see where the XDR would even fit in his workflow TBH. You have your main monitor, your waveform, and the larger monitor with a direct SDI/HDMI feed. If I was purely a colorist, using Resolve, I would have an Eizo as the main monitor calibrated with 3D LUT, a cheaper LCD for waveform, and a 48" LG CX OLED calibrated with 3D LUT. Unfortunately, the XDR falls short in this very important area. I know Apple has hinted of "upcoming" calibration abilities, but seems tied macOS/software, no idea really TBH.
Read some comments from other pro colorists, and you'll see why the Eizo is preferred by them over the XDR.
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I just looked him up, and here's his workspace. He's using the XDR has his main working/editing monitor and the Eizo for his color critical work
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This box let’s you use high end calibration on the display and store a 3D lut.
I’m always on the verge of purchasing it, but then I still wanna use my 2nd xdr as a UI for after effects sometimes and hesitate because I don’t wanna always plug in the SDI, then plug it out again etc.. then again I’m not on that level as a color grader yet that I would REALLY require this. I’m just using the rec 709 reference mode and call it a day.
As someone who went for a 16-core 7,1 Mac Pro last year, I have no regrets. Fortunately it has already paid itself off with work and I plan to continue using it for a good 6-7 years, or until it can't handle post production projects.
For this class of machine, the expandability has to be important to you. I think, given you've already mentioned the need for this power for growing work, it makes sense to buy in, knowing your work will eventually cover its costs. Then it just makes money for you moving forward.
For this class of machine, the expandability has to be important to you. I think, given you've already mentioned the need for this power for growing work, it makes sense to buy in, knowing your work will eventually cover its costs. Then it just makes money for you moving forward.
because its their mobile chip with a hardware face swap, without the touchscreen
edit: and without the camera, accelerometer, or lidar etc
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He says he's using the Sony HX310, but I don't see it in his any of his workplace photos, but that's not important with regards to the XDR.
Regarding that BM box, it's basically an expensive 3D LUT holder, and you can spend less using a Mini Converter or Teranex Mini to do the same thing. Its volumetric calibration is like using 1980s software - it's pretty bad. Plus, it's only good for using it with a DeckLink card anyway, which limits what you can see on the display (e.g. useless for Photoshop, etc.). Trust me, I want to like the XDR, but it has this huge shortcoming. Not sure what Apple was/is thinking TBH.
It's to the MR marketplace forum, to my post where I'm selling my Mac Pro 2019, 16-core, 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD, Promise J2i w/8TB SATA HDD, AppleCare to Dec/2022, and Mac Pro Lock Adapter for about £2,000 less than it would cost new.
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Not everyone can see the Marketplace forum. Depends how long you’ve been posting/a member.
The pandemic has meant my company has had no clients since the end of March, and will go into insolvency by the end of January. Assets will be sold off, but if I sell them earlier, the company has money to continue for a few months longer. It sucks.
I'm very sorry to hear, I hope things at some point turn out for the better.
I hear you. How can you use a teranex mini or mini converter to power this display? They don’t even have Display port as far as I know?
No, I meant in terms of what it does in general - LUT holder.
I'm not sure why Apple didn't allow for proper calibration. Boggles the mind really.
you'll need an SDI Solution anyways if this level of color accuracy matters to you, so I think their solution to drive costs down makes sense.
No, I can use any cheap Windows laptop with a USB connected probe to calibrate a perfect 17pt or 33pt 3D LUT cube with LightSpace or CalMAN software and upload it to any slot on Eizos, NECs, ASUS, and even some BenQ monitors. I calibrate my 65" OLED TV the same way. Perfection! The fact that Apple doesn't allow for calibration is inexcusable IMHO.
So sorry for you. My son's new business has had the same issue. Good luck.
Not talking about the calibration but about how you're actually gonna attach the display to your mac. If color accuracy matters for you, you will need SDI, in the case of the XDR 6k SDI, so you'll need some sort of extra hardware anyways.
What happens if you use a probe with the XDR under OSX? Has anybody tried?
Sure, but I can't agree that's a cost cutting measure as you suggested, when cheaper monitors have the ability already.
In terms of doing a basic ICC calibration, I'm curious too, not that it would buy you all that much, and it could very well mess things up. Has anyone tried to use X-rite's i1Profiler for example on the XDR?
Apple just released a XDR calibrator,
support.apple.com
Pro Display XDR Calibrator 1.0.0
Pro Display XDR Calibrator 1.0.0 - Apple Support
Every Pro Display XDR undergoes state-of-the-art factory calibration with laboratory grade instrumentation.
OK wow the supported instruments don't exactly look like sort of thing you'd buy unless you ran some kind of laboratory.
www.colorimetryresearch.com
I'm sure Apple put a lot of work into making sure the presets were correct enough for 99% of us. If anyone want to invest in a "Spectrascan PR 745" I'd be interested to know how you get on.
Colorimetry Research, Inc.
Innovation in Light and Color Measuring Instruments
I'm sure Apple put a lot of work into making sure the presets were correct enough for 99% of us. If anyone want to invest in a "Spectrascan PR 745" I'd be interested to know how you get on.