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blackadde

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All displays drift with time and age. You need to calibrate regularly regardless of how on-spec the thing was when it left the factory. How regularly just depends on the demands of your job. It's why specialist places like FSI offer free calibration for the life of their displays (so long as you ship the thing back to 'em).

Few freelancers or studios would have any of those scopes just kicking around - you'd generally hire out a tech to come calibrate a bank of displays for the whole company every so often.
 
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ghostwind

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OK wow the supported instruments don't exactly look like sort of thing you'd buy unless you ran some kind of laboratory.



I'm sure Apple put a lot of work into making sure the presets were correct enough for 99% of us. If anyone want to invest in a "Spectrascan PR 745" I'd be interested to know how you get on.
Yeah, I just don’t get it. Displays drift all the time, so they need to be calibrated frequently. Even with a basic ICC profile. I truly don’t understand what Apple did with this display.
 

ghostwind

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All displays drift with time and age. You need to calibrate regularly regardless of how on-spec the thing was when it left the factory. How regularly just depends on the demands of your job. It's why specialist places like FSI offer free calibration for the life of their displays (so long as you ship the thing back to 'em).

Few freelancers or studios would have any of those scopes just kicking around - you'd generally hire out a tech to come calibrate a bank of displays for the whole company every so often.
Exactly. You can also do 3D LUT calibrations on FSI monitors with your own software like LightSpace.
 

chfilm

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At least now no one can say anymore that you can’t calibrate this display. If only displays wouldn’t drift... the factory calibration of this thing is top notch!
 
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blackadde

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I thought this was a ‘should I buy a 7.1‘ thread....... ?
Seems to have drifted to XDR.
The primary compelling reason to get a 7,1 is access to the Apple ecosystem of software and hardware - doesn't make sense not to talk about the whole thing in it's entirety. Especially so if if's a studio purchase and not an expensive toy.
 

Melbourne Park

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And its very nicely made too!

And really, its very good value. Just consider some older prices. yep - I have price lists!!

I even have Australian dealership buy prices for one year! But I'll stick to retail prices. Lets try 1990. Now just imagine if you had bought erhh ... Apple shares instead of a computer in 1990 - you would have done rather well. Then again, I met on Dunk Island (the most beautiful tropical island in Australia that was not rebuilt after its staff accomodation was wrecked in a cyclone). The island has its own river and rain forest, the flora and vegetation is extraordinary. I met there in 1988, the lawyer who incorporated Apple. He met jobs in his garage! He got paid $16,000 - but Jobs begged him to take the shares. He said the shares were a much much better deal, they'd make him rich! This gentleman had left a top law firm in New York, and setup in Silicon Valley - and Jobs was his first "real" client. He needed that $16,000. So he took the cash and his firm then had over 70 Bar passed lawyers in it, plus everyone. His daughter was at Harvard. He did OK. Alright - if he'd taken the shares, I guess he could have flown out in his own biz jet! But then, if he'd have sold those shares when I met him in 1988, that would also have cost him a fortune ... One has to be practical!!

And Dunk Island is for sale at the moment - the price is only $Au30 million. That's just $US21 million. A complete steal ... I just hope its not bought by the Chinese, who are look they they are putting us into the "enemy" category.

And in the USA, a 5,1 with duel 2.66Hz CPUs, cost $4,999 in 2010. That made the 2.4 one a bargain, but then, it had only one GPU ...

OK the retail prices in Australia, 30 years ago:

Firstly, the good news: you could buy a Mac SE for with a mouse (but the keyboard cost extra, the Apple keyboard was $240, but the Apple Keyboard II was just $440. I am using a later Apple keyboard - circa 2002 - its gone yellowish, but it sure still types really well. The Mac SE/30 (a souped up Macintosh Classic but with a hard disk and a 68030 CPU and also with a floating point 68882 Co-processor, 4 MB of RAM and 80 MB hard drive - just $Au8,695.

Top of the tree was the Macintosh Fx. Same processor as the Mac SE but it ran at 40Hz. Wow. It could come optioned with a 160 MB hard disk. With a two page wide grey scale screen bundle, only $23,525. They were chucking the superceded Laserwriters out then - just $3,595 for the bottom end SC model. The NT was 4,995. Opt for the better Laserwriter II NTX model - just $9,495. It came though with 2MB of RAM. It could take 12 MB. Just buy some extra RAM modules. A 4MB RAM module cost just $1,550. So add $4,700 to get to 12 MB RAM. Why not??
 

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ghostwind

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And its very nicely made too!

And really, its very good value. Just consider some older prices. yep - I have price lists!!

I even have Australian dealership buy prices for one year! But I'll stick to retail prices. Lets try 1990. Now just imagine if you had bought erhh ... Apple shares instead of a computer in 1990 - you would have done rather well. Then again, I met on Dunk Island (the most beautiful tropical island in Australia that was not rebuilt after its staff accomodation was wrecked in a cyclone). The island has its own river and rain forest, the flora and vegetation is extraordinary. I met there in 1988, the lawyer who incorporated Apple. He met jobs in his garage! He got paid $16,000 - but Jobs begged him to take the shares. He said the shares were a much much better deal, they'd make him rich! This gentleman had left a top law firm in New York, and setup in Silicon Valley - and Jobs was his first "real" client. He needed that $16,000. So he took the cash and his firm then had over 70 Bar passed lawyers in it, plus everyone. His daughter was at Harvard. He did OK. Alright - if he'd taken the shares, I guess he could have flown out in his own biz jet! But then, if he'd have sold those shares when I met him in 1988, that would also have cost him a fortune ... One has to be practical!!

And Dunk Island is for sale at the moment - the price is only $Au30 million. That's just $US21 million. A complete steal ... I just hope its not bought by the Chinese, who are look they they are putting us into the "enemy" category.

And in the USA, a 5,1 with duel 2.66Hz CPUs, cost $4,999 in 2010. That made the 2.4 one a bargain, but then, it had only one GPU ...

OK the retail prices in Australia, 30 years ago:

Firstly, the good news: you could buy a Mac SE for with a mouse (but the keyboard cost extra, the Apple keyboard was $240, but the Apple Keyboard II was just $440. I am using a later Apple keyboard - circa 2002 - its gone yellowish, but it sure still types really well. The Mac SE/30 (a souped up Macintosh Classic but with a hard disk and a 68030 CPU and also with a floating point 68882 Co-processor, 4 MB of RAM and 80 MB hard drive - just $Au8,695.

Top of the tree was the Macintosh Fx. Same processor as the Mac SE but it ran at 40Hz. Wow. It could come optioned with a 160 MB hard disk. With a two page wide grey scale screen bundle, only $23,525. They were chucking the superceded Laserwriters out then - just $3,595 for the bottom end SC model. The NT was 4,995. Opt for the better Laserwriter II NTX model - just $9,495. It came though with 2MB of RAM. It could take 12 MB. Just buy some extra RAM modules. A 4MB RAM module cost just $1,550. So add $4,700 to get to 12 MB RAM. Why not??

LOL, well, when you put it that way. People are saying how expensive iPhones are, but look at this beauty featured in "Wall Street". A Motorola DynaTac 8000X, which cost about $4000 back then, and adjusted for inflation would now cost over $10k!
1*W19_pAmx75y9nGbD2vCcfQ.jpeg
 
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TomMuc

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Oct 22, 2019
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I'm in a spot where I need a bit of help and advice. I'm a photographer who started doing video work about a year ago. The video work has increased, and on my last project (a 10min corporate promo video) I pushed my 2019 15" MBP to the limit pretty much. And that was editing in Premiere in 1080p. I will soon be upgrading to a 6K camera (Canon C500MKII to be exact), and I realize I will need more computing power than what I have. I need more storage, more everything, and in the past 2 weeks I pretty much spec'd out the system I would like to get:

- 2019 Mac Pro, 16 core, 96GB RAM, Radeon Pro Vega II, and 1TB SSD - $11,800 retail (I would get less at a business account price - probably $11k total with tax/shipping).

In addition, I would get the Promise Pegasus R4i, and and OWC 4TB internal PCI SSD. I would use that super-fast OWC SSD to work off of, and then back up and keep projects the R4i (as well as external backups and cloud of course).

So to me this seems like a nice system, with flexibility down the road, etc.

But all this M1/ARM stuff has thrown many unknowns into my decision to pull the trigger on this system. I don't want to spend this much and then see an iMac next summer that will run circles around my Mac Pro. Or worse yet, an ARM Mac Pro. I know eventually they will happen, but nobody knows when and the specs. A lot of unknowns.

One thing that I think about is how will Apple support this Mac Pro going froward? Will they? I mean they could release some MPX module with a faster GPU, with H.265 decoding, and other goodies. But will they? History with the previous Mac Pro isn't good. Will they do right by it now then?

Thoughts?
why not buy an m1 macmini with 16 gb ram for 900$ now and using this for 6-12 month until anything clears a bit?
 

IA64

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aha. and what was the answer? no time to read the whole thread for bs like this.

Well this is basically an endless thread were you can discuss anything related or not to the topic so I feel with you ?

OP has mixed feelings and confused but he's not interested in the Mac mini, doesn't want to move to a different OS so custom PC is not an option, wants a machine that will live up his expectations for the next couple of years and believes the XDR is flawed because you can't calibrate it; that basically sums it up.
 
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TomMuc

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Well this is basically an endless thread were you can discuss anything related or not to the topic so I feel with you ?

OP has mixed feelings and confused but he's not interested in the Mac mini, doesn't want to move to a different OS so custom PC is not an option, wants a machine that will live up his expectations for the next couple of years and believes the XDR is flawed because you can't calibrate it; that basically sums it up.
ok. thanx. so - he wants to buy a machine for a decade in times of big changes. not the best idea one can have and the only answer is if the expense for a mac pro pays of within 6-12 month he simply should buy it without much blah.
 

bsbeamer

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If I recall, also thinks the camera being invested in will still be relevant in 10 years... it's another collective garbage thread at this point.
 
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ghostwind

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Well this is basically an endless thread were you can discuss anything related or not to the topic so I feel with you ?

OP has mixed feelings and confused but he's not interested in the Mac mini, doesn't want to move to a different OS so custom PC is not an option, wants a machine that will live up his expectations for the next couple of years and believes the XDR is flawed because you can't calibrate it; that basically sums it up.
I'm not at all confused - I'm undecided. And a custom PC is an option, as I actually pointed out, so not sure where you got that from. Mac Mini is not an option as I stated, and yes, XDR is flawed.
 

ghostwind

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If I recall, also thinks the camera being invested in will still be relevant in 10 years... it's another collective garbage thread at this point.
I never said that, please stop making things up. If it's a "garbage" thread, move along and thanks for participating...
 

ghostwind

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ok. thanx. so - he wants to buy a machine for a decade in times of big changes. not the best idea one can have and the only answer is if the expense for a mac pro pays of within 6-12 month he simply should buy it without much blah.
This is 100% not the case, people here jumping in with poor reading comprehension. If you care to know, read my posts. I'm not going to repeat them for you. That's how a thread works.
 

deconstruct60

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Apple just released a XDR calibrator,

Pro Display XDR Calibrator 1.0.0​



Looping back the core of the main topic of this thread this timing is indicative of just how "fast" Apple is going to replace the current Mac Pro level of functionality. The XDR was released approximately a year ago and Apple is just now getting the high end calibration tool/firmware out the door. Folks being physically locked out of the labs in Cupertino/Sunnyvale area probably contributed some. But this is the kind of thing a dedicated high in monitor vendor would have released with the monitor ( or at worst perhaps a couple months after).

If Apple isn't working at a frantic pace to replace the MP 2019 model with equivalent functionality then it will be sold for a decent amount of time into the future. A "year late" on the calibration tool for XDR could easily coincide with a "Year after the laptop Mac line up" transition for the Mac Pro.

By end of 2020 there are still 50+ million Intel Macs out there and Apple takes as long as possible to convert the Mac Pro 2019 ... the support is likely to slide more than several years into the future from there. Can waste lots of time hemming and hawing about "if a , would a , could a , should a" but if actually have a rational , real need there are lots of indicators that the system will be highly useful for several years. Primarily because Apple is not moving super fast here. ( lower end laptops that form vast majority of their business ? yes. Highest end desktops? No. And haven't moved fast in close to a decade now. )
 
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