Wrong. No PC company was making anything even remotely close to this tech and its current refinement 10 years ago.
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Does the Surface Book have any one second thinking the iPad Pro?
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Wrong. No PC company was making anything even remotely close to this tech and its current refinement 10 years ago.
Unless you plan on replacing your wacom cintiq with an iPad pro the difference between an iPad air 2 and an iPad pro in terms of functionality isn't much.
I think the surface fits into the category that the MacBooks are filling not iPads(tablets).
I think the surface fits into the category that the MacBooks are filling not iPads(tablets).
Personally I don't find this a problem. SB is basically a notebook/canvas with a transitioning screen attachment--good so far--that also allows you to use the screen as a tablet when detached, although only for 3 hours. I anticipate mostly using it as a laptop or a canvas. I am more concerned about the keyboard action.
What didn't work in the Surface Pro line, 1-3. There are many legitimate criticisms you can make about the Hybrid approach, or about Windows for tablet use. Instead you just went with the reflexive MS hate--why?
It pains me but I must agree. In the post-Jobs ere, Apple has gotten sluggish. The watch is a "not ready for prime time", nice to have. The iPad pro, while interesting is simply not a breakthrough product and it is certainly a long, long way from replacing a laptop. It the O/S, but also the apps.
Yes there are apps for most everything, but not with the same feature set. I might add, I'm a iPad fan, huge one, but I don't kid myself. The iPad Pro is for creative types, maybe some vertical applications, but a do-it-all workhorse ? No way.
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surface book and surface pro are laptops and that's all..they run windows 10 desktop OS so they are like macbook but with possibility to detach the touchscreen monitor/screen
probably in 4 years you will have a laptop surface pro/book with 15"
it's just a laptop with touch screen
probably in 4 years you will have a laptop surface pro/book with 15"
it's just a laptop with touch screen
And active digitizer support for an active digitizer pen. That's an important part of the package for me.
Right - an iPad is a device optimized for use as a tablet, but that can serve some notebook purposes. The Surface is a device with the heart of a notebook computer but that can also serve tablet functions - that is, a "cross-over" device.
I don't think there's a bad choice here - MS has come up with some great hardware that will fit a lot of use cases, mainly because it runs Windows application natively - a big draw. Apple has come up with a large screen iPad that, from all reports, has maybe the best pencil experience in a popularly-priced product and will likely spawn use cases that they haven't foreseen. The addressable market for each crosses over with the other, but they're not the same market.
The interesting question to me is this: now that Apple has a home-brew ARM processor that has the processing throughput of some well-regarded Intel cores, where do they go with IOS? The next couple of years are going to be a fun ride!
It makes sense. They have one that's mostly a tablet that can be used as a notebook, and another product that's mostly a notebook that can be used as a tablet. I have one of each on the way because I'm not certain which will work for me the best.
Personally--I am psyched for 13.5" 4:3 canvas space. Can't wait to play with both the ipad pro and the SurfaceBook. I really dont think either product as huge--and I believe Samsung is about to drop an 18" tablet: wow!
Check this out. Long article on the new Surface's development. Intriguing, but the mechanics of the hinge would make me wary. Neat implementation, but will the mechanics hold up?
http://mashable.com/2015/10/07/microsoft-surface-book-inside-story/#3ft8inAzYGqq
Also the battery life of the tablet section seemed short.
http://mashable.com/2015/10/07/microsoft-surface-book-inside-story/#3ft8inAzYGqq
Also the battery life of the tablet section seemed short.
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So, at the end of the day, I whimped out. I had every intention of buying and SP4 and making it my main system, but I wound up buying something very different - an almost maxed out Macbook Pro 15. Still, I have a strong feeling that I'll be switching in a year or two, if Apple keeps up with the schizophrenic view of computing.
This step was about me switching from a desktop to something more mobile. Though my work issues me an MBA, that's not been powerful enough. So I do 70% of my computing on an i7 iMac, only using the work system for those tasks where security/vpn are huge issue, and I need a corporate-owned resource - less than 5% of my work. My personally owned SP3 takes on the rest of the load, where I need a Windows system or when I'm lounging about in the house (I much prefer it to my MBA). But, at the end of the day, it would currently be too diosruptive to switch the platform that pays my mortgage, and the family is kind of locked into the ecosystem.
Issue is that I have two catalysts forcing me to make a decision in the next few months: woman's MBA broke, and Applecare on my iMac is almost expired (I sell them under applecare, when I refresh).
So, I'm swapping the iMac for a Macbook Pro. I got the MacBook Pro as a refurb, which cost me ~$2,250 (2015 i7/16GB/512/AMD GPU). I suspect that my 2015 iMac will fund half of that, as it usually does in my refreshed (great thing about macs). And I'll now bring my main "desktop" with me while traveling, or just wrestling with the kids.
But honestly, if Apple keeps up with the multi-OS view of the world, my next workhorse will be Widows. And I don't plan on waiting another 2.5yrs for my next refresh. And I'll be spending a lot of time with my SP3 in the coming months, as well as investigating alternatives for the Apple ecosystem. I'm still a fan of Microsoft's vision, vs Apple's.
This step was about me switching from a desktop to something more mobile. Though my work issues me an MBA, that's not been powerful enough. So I do 70% of my computing on an i7 iMac, only using the work system for those tasks where security/vpn are huge issue, and I need a corporate-owned resource - less than 5% of my work. My personally owned SP3 takes on the rest of the load, where I need a Windows system or when I'm lounging about in the house (I much prefer it to my MBA). But, at the end of the day, it would currently be too diosruptive to switch the platform that pays my mortgage, and the family is kind of locked into the ecosystem.
Issue is that I have two catalysts forcing me to make a decision in the next few months: woman's MBA broke, and Applecare on my iMac is almost expired (I sell them under applecare, when I refresh).
So, I'm swapping the iMac for a Macbook Pro. I got the MacBook Pro as a refurb, which cost me ~$2,250 (2015 i7/16GB/512/AMD GPU). I suspect that my 2015 iMac will fund half of that, as it usually does in my refreshed (great thing about macs). And I'll now bring my main "desktop" with me while traveling, or just wrestling with the kids.
But honestly, if Apple keeps up with the multi-OS view of the world, my next workhorse will be Widows. And I don't plan on waiting another 2.5yrs for my next refresh. And I'll be spending a lot of time with my SP3 in the coming months, as well as investigating alternatives for the Apple ecosystem. I'm still a fan of Microsoft's vision, vs Apple's.
A device that can do all but nothing great
The lag is there, the eraser pen delete by area and not by pixel
No thank you, if i want windows i bootcamp. Yes i don't have touch screen on windows big deal..i have the trackpad that is 3dimensional now, windows doesn't have 3d touch screen
and that aspect ratio..
The lag is there, the eraser pen delete by area and not by pixel
No thank you, if i want windows i bootcamp. Yes i don't have touch screen on windows big deal..i have the trackpad that is 3dimensional now, windows doesn't have 3d touch screen
and that aspect ratio..
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I like the surface pro 4 in theory, but every time I try to use it as a tablet I am quickly reminded of why I don't own one. The aspect ratio is terribly elongated and the bezels are huge. It is an utterly awful tablet to hold. The specs are great ... perhaps they should try to make it in a physically useful form factor.
But they just did. The Surface Pro 4 has the same form factor as the Surface Pro 3 - but with an increased screen size. So nu more huge bezels - 12" screen vs 10" screen...
My concern is the fulcrum hinge as well. The issue is that only time will tell how it will hold up, so you either need to roll the dice and take a chance or move on. Personally, I like what the SurfaceBook as to offer over the current crop of MBPs
I'll wait until things shake out before deciding, that includes seeing what apple does with the next generation of MBPs.
Technically, like the SurfacePros, its a type-cover. A case with a keyboard, unlike the SurfaceBook which is a full fledged laptop bottom.
If you could run OS X on it without having to mess about with patches etc I would seriously consider it, I had a SP3 for a while but too many things didn't work under OS X and it was very buggy so I sold it as I didn't want to cart my Macbook and a SP3 around with me all of the time.
No for me because it has a desktop OS that is not touch friendly and the majority of programs are not touch friendly, and you kind of have to use a mouse!
I still prefer Android tablets and Ipads because of there very touch friendly mobile OS that is very easy and fun to use and have lots lots of apps that is very touch friendly!
I still prefer Android tablets and Ipads because of there very touch friendly mobile OS that is very easy and fun to use and have lots lots of apps that is very touch friendly!
The erase by area comment clearly shows you have never used this product. The erase algorithm is in the software--not the pen! Like so many posters here--you seem content to make it up on the fly. Yet when some mac-hack reviews the pencil and says there has "never been a product like this", you respond with absolute belief. Or was it the s-l-o-w-l-y drawn calligraphic lines in the penultimate demo that convinced that the apple pencil had all but eliminated latency. Unlike you, i'll make my conclusions when I try the product.
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And what exactly is a "full fledged laptop bottom"? Something additional to a keyboard which makes everyone say that this is a "pro" tablet? I don't get it. It's a keyboard.
Seems to me that everyone is frothing at the mouth about this thing and saying that it blows the iPad Pro away when, frankly, nobody here has used either.
Its the bottom piece of the Surfacebook. I really don't know what to call it. It holds most a battery, the ports, and GPU. Where as the TypeCover is just a thin cover with a keyboard (though the 4th generation of this is much better).