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OP there is no such thing as "Drinking the Kool-aid". People buy Macs based on quality not a name. Your experience is not the norm.

I've used Adobe since Photoshop 5 on Windows all the way up to CS5. I used it on $8000 HP Workstations and it performed better on my Mac Pro (the one in my sig). I'm not sure why your installation seems to be having a problem. It never has crashed for me once in a year and I use it daily.

Like others have said it sounds like a plugin issue. There are a few things:

-Some plugins only work in 32 bit mode. By default your Mac Pro is in 64 bit mode. You may want to try using Photoshop in 32 bit mode if using plenty of plugins.

-If you want giant speed increases, invest in SSDs, one for your main OS drive and one for Photoshop's scratch disk. It'll be pricey but its worth it if you really need speed.

-Make sure you took the time to customize Photoshop to the machine. There is a lot you can do to enhance its speed once its installed and even though it generally does a good job at self configuring when it installs, this isn't always the case.
 
I heard running PS CS5 in 32-bit mode helps increase speed and snappiness if you can get around the memory limitations. ymmv.
 
OP there is no such thing as "Drinking the Kool-aid". People buy Macs based on quality not a name. Your experience is not the norm.

I've used Adobe since Photoshop 5 on Windows all the way up to CS5. I used it on $8000 HP Workstations and it performed better on my Mac Pro (the one in my sig). I'm not sure why your installation seems to be having a problem. It never has crashed for me once in a year and I use it daily.

Like others have said it sounds like a plugin issue. There are a few things:

-Some plugins only work in 32 bit mode. By default your Mac Pro is in 64 bit mode. You may want to try using Photoshop in 32 bit mode if using plenty of plugins.

-If you want giant speed increases, invest in SSDs, one for your main OS drive and one for Photoshop's scratch disk. It'll be pricey but its worth it if you really need speed.

-Make sure you took the time to customize Photoshop to the machine. There is a lot you can do to enhance its speed once its installed and even though it generally does a good job at self configuring when it installs, this isn't always the case.

I guess we have a different experience with PS CS5 with speed/reliability on the Mac Pro. Don’t get wrong … I actually prefer the Mac to the Dell…but not by the margin expected or suggested in the Apple AD’s…great Marketing! (Kool-Aid looked really good!)

CS5 truly does crash on the Mac with PS CS5 actions that work fine on the Dell. I have talked to OnOne Software and NIK Software Technical Support and both are looking into these issues.

It doesn’t happen very often. But when it does - BANG CRASH BOOM!. Not only is it a total crash but also on the PS CS5 restart it “restores” my preprogramed actions to a prior series so I need to rebuild the current action list from scratch.

As a Photographer I use preprogramed actions from OnOne Software and NIK software. Besides the occasional total crash, Adobe/Apple does not like these actions working together. Every time (it is repeatable) I start an OnOne action then no actions from NIK will work. They appear to execute but do nothing. I must restart PS CS5 to clear out this problem. I have reported the issue to both companies and they are looking into this problem also.

In any case these errors do not occur on the Dell. And the speed of these actions on the Dell is faster. Actually all functions in CS5 are slightly faster on the Dell.

No need for fast SSD scratch drives. I have enough internal memory (24G) that all my images and actions execute from main memory. Confirmed this with observing the Activity Monitor while performing a bunch of PS CS5 actions.

I also followed the optimization suggestions on the Adobe site for both platforms. Including Tile size, cache size, memory size, etc.

My Apple Mac Pro and Dell Windows 7 configurations are very basic for a photographer and pretty darn close:

Early 2009 Apple Mac Pro (x3)
2.93 GHz 4-core Xeon
24G Main Memory (8G x3)
7200 RPM 1TB Application and OS Drive
7200 RPM Raptor 1TB Scratch Drive
(2) 7200 RPM 2TB Image Drives as RAID 1
16TB External Storage on USB (only used as history of photos)
PS CS5 64-bit, OnOne, NIK, and a bunch of other applications

2007 DELL XPS Pro (x2)
Intel 4-core “Extreme” at 3.46GHz
Upgraded from XP Pro to Win 7 (what a pain in the ….)
16GB Main Memory
7200 RPM 1TB Applications and OS Drive
10,000-RPM 1TB Raptor Scratch Drive
(4) 7200 RPM 1TB Drives as RAID 5
PS CS5 64-bit, OnOne, NIK, and a bunch of other applications

I know its expectations and me. I wanted to have some kind of Steve Jobs religion manifestation and in the end I find the Apple Mac Pro a very reliable hardware platform and OS X a nice user interface. But at 2X the cost of a Win 7 box I’m still trying to find that justification for the investment …and possible continued investment….maybe just expected way too much….”it’s just a computer after all!”
 
Could you get the model number of that PC processor? "Extreme" 4 core @ 3.46GHz is a strange one to me. If one is i7-2600 and one Xeon 4-core nehalem at 2.93GHz they are not really very close and the PC will stomp the Mac regardless of platform.
 
Could you get the model number of that PC processor? "Extreme" 4 core @ 3.46GHz is a strange one to me. If one is i7-2600 and one Xeon 4-core nehalem at 2.93GHz they are not really very close and the PC will stomp the Mac regardless of platform.

Long before the "i" series: QX9560 factory over-clock (Dell) at 3.46G. Circa 2006-2007 "extreme" series that was used on the XPS chassis
 
The filters that you're running on all these images... what are they? Basically, what I'm asking is are these something that could be migrated to an Apple Aperture workflow? Aperture, while I actually haven't used it since version 1, can save image settings and apply them to incoming images and other processing logic.

You can still use Photoshop for more specific edits (since Aperture isn't a PS replacement, but a workflow system).

This might provide you with the stability you desire plus make the most of your hardware capabilities.
 
Long before the "i" series: QX9560 factory over-clock (Dell) at 3.46G. Circa 2006-2007 "extreme" series that was used on the XPS chassis

Well. You got me. The Mac 2.93GHz should come out on top by +10% or more. We have not discussed graphics cards yet, have we? If you still have a GT120 in your Mac that could be a large part of the slowness. Especially if the Dell is XPS, it most likely has a way faster card in it. New CS5 likes to have some GPU power.
 
The filters that you're running on all these images... what are they? Basically, what I'm asking is are these something that could be migrated to an Apple Aperture workflow? Aperture, while I actually haven't used it since version 1, can save image settings and apply them to incoming images and other processing logic.

You can still use Photoshop for more specific edits (since Aperture isn't a PS replacement, but a workflow system).

This might provide you with the stability you desire plus make the most of your hardware capabilities.

Aperture is not robust enough for the work I do. Photoshop is the standard.

Below is a screen shot of my workflow. Left is PS main screen. Right is Bridge browser. This is a wedding that I'm working currently. You can see access to all the actions and filters uses for my work.




...Dan
 
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I guess we have a different experience with PS CS5 with speed/reliability on the Mac Pro. Don’t get wrong … I actually prefer the Mac to the Dell…but not by the margin expected or suggested in the Apple AD’s…great Marketing! (Kool-Aid looked really good!)

First, can the Kool-Aid and Religion/Cult references please died in a fire already? If you choose the Mac because of Apple's marketing then the jokes on you.

Second, why not just go back to Windows? It's a work computer that is meant to do two things: run Adobe software and run 3rd party plug-ins. The OS is completely irrelevant when 99% of your time is spent interacting with PS CS5. Adobe doesn't put enough resources into its Mac products.
 
First, can the Kool-Aid and Religion/Cult references please died in a fire already? If you choose the Mac because of Apple's marketing then the jokes on you.

Second, why not just go back to Windows? It's a work computer that is meant to do two things: run Adobe software and run 3rd party plug-ins. The OS is completely irrelevant when 99% of your time is spent interacting with PS CS5. Adobe doesn't put enough resources into its Mac products.

Microsoft doesn't supply that cool Apple logo sticker....I'll stay with the Mac...
 
I use preprogramed actions from OnOne Software and NIK software. Besides the occasional total crash, Adobe/Apple does not like these actions working together. Every time (it is repeatable)

Do you have a sample of the actions your running that create these crashes? Have you looked into your "Activity Monitor" to see where your resources are being used prior to a crash. How big are your RAW files and what format are you using PSD, TIFF, DNG?
 
Adobe doesn't put enough resources into its Mac products.

Can't blame them. Their checkered history wit Apple aside, if 90% of your potential customers use a Windows PC, it is only sensible to allocate a proportional share of resources to development for that platform.

This is -of course- the dilemma that all cross-platform devs face, and from what I hear, most cross-platform apps work better on Windows.
 
Can't blame them. Their checkered history wit Apple aside

Checkered history?

Apple treated them very well. They were under no obligation to add Flash to the iPhone. And then Adobe made a deal out of it.

Heck, Apple and Adobe have been strong partners. Apple even put Postscript on the map for Adobe. And OS X was the only OS on the market that actually included Flash and Shockwave.
 
The most common source of crashes in Mac OS is due to the rather difficult memory management model used in Objective-C. You can get used to manual memory management, but it takes a lot of time and effort, and it's very prone to human error. Apple is fixing this in Xcode 4.2 with ARC, but that probably won't matter as adobe likely won't even consider using ARC for the next decade...
 
Checkered history?

Apple treated them very well. They were under no obligation to add Flash to the iPhone. And then Adobe made a deal out of it.

Heck, Apple and Adobe have been strong partners. Apple even put Postscript on the map for Adobe. And OS X was the only OS on the market that actually included Flash and Shockwave.

I wasn't talking about Flash but Carbon. You may have seen it coming, but Adobe (and plenty of others) didn't and lost out. Anyway, we have been over this before and no need to rehash.
 
I regularly read comments on here and other forums that usually start with the phrase 'there are no viruses in the wild for OS X'. This is both incorrect - there are, depending on which souce you believe, anywhere between 100 and over 1000 known threats
Name one Mac OS X virus that exists in the wild. You can't, because there are none. There are only a handful of Mac OS X malware threats in the wild, in the form of trojans.

No viruses exist in the wild that can run on Mac OS X, and there never have been any, since it was released 10 years ago. The handful of trojans that exist can be easily avoided with some basic education, common sense and care in what software you install. Also, Mac OS X Snow Leopard and Lion have anti-malware protection built in, further reducing the need for 3rd party antivirus apps.
 
You are absolutely right !!

Microsoft doesn't supply that cool Apple logo sticker....I'll stay with the Mac...

I would under no circumstances switch back to Windows.

Reading your specs of your machines, there is actually one thing I don't understand. For your studio it's all about speed, so why in the world do you stay on mechanical HD drives?
First thing to speed your Mac Pro up is a SSD Boot drive. You need to do this asap. There is a LOT you can do on speed.

Below you will find some recommendations I would consider, that can be migrated to a next generation system as well.

SSD Boot disc solution for MBP 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0RYX1dkqXY

SSD Scratch disc solution for MBP 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPEc895sfE

It doesn't get any better then that. Install those two solutions - and then lets talk about speed...
 
Maybe my workload is not that heavy as yours, but I haven't experienced any crashes using CS 5.5 and Lightroom 3 on OSX. I am also using many NIK software plugins without a problem. The only difference is that I use Lightroom instead of Bridge.
I've made sure I have plenty of RAM and SSDs for both apps and scratch. Do not see any considerable difference to our Win 7 comparable systems.
 
Honestly I'd say if you are shooting raw switch to a raw workflow like Aperture or LR3 for initial processing and then to Photoshop for additional edits such as skin smoothing. Those programs will open Photoshop directly too when needed. The speed increase alone of using either LR or Aperture will be well worth it. I barely touch PS anymore with regards to photography (although I use it daily in 3D modeling).

Obviously this won't help with Photoshop crashes, but there may be a lot you can do within a raw editor that will help eleviate the need for everything in Photoshop.
 
Honestly I'd say if you are shooting raw switch to a raw workflow like Aperture or LR3 for initial processing and then to Photoshop for additional edits such as skin smoothing. Those programs will open Photoshop directly too when needed. The speed increase alone of using either LR or Aperture will be well worth it. I barely touch PS anymore with regards to photography (although I use it daily in 3D modeling).

Obviously this won't help with Photoshop crashes, but there may be a lot you can do within a raw editor that will help eleviate the need for everything in Photoshop.

Actually I think it might help. Bridge has always been the weakest point in workflow on OSX. That is the reason my workflow is mostly done in Lightroom 3 (with most of the plugins working therein) and Photoshop when needed.
 
Name one Mac OS X virus that exists in the wild. You can't, because there are none. There are only a handful of Mac OS X malware threats in the wild, in the form of trojans.

No viruses exist in the wild that can run on Mac OS X, and there never have been any, since it was released 10 years ago. The handful of trojans that exist can be easily avoided with some basic education, common sense and care in what software you install. Also, Mac OS X Snow Leopard and Lion have anti-malware protection built in, further reducing the need for 3rd party antivirus apps.

The distinction between virus, worm, trojan, spyware, adware, keyloggers and all other forms if malware is a pointless one. Whether there are viruses for OS X depends on your definition of the term virus. What can be said without fear of contradiction is that there are known security threats for OS X and depending on the source you look at there are anwhere between around 100 and well over 1000. I fully accept that both these numbers are far smaller than there are for Windows and I am neither defending Windows nor criticising OS X, I am merely observing that both have vulnerabilities and both have security threats targeted at exploiting those vulnerabilities.

What I am saying is that there are known security threats to OS X like there are to any system and there are also unknown threats that have yet to be discovered and vulnerabilities that have yet to be exploited. It also fair to assume that as Macs grow in popularity, so they will increasingly be targeted by the malware writers, recent history suggest this assumption to be correct as the numbers of malware targeted at OS X continues to grow.

Further, it is important to remember that many modern malware writers are no longer bored, dysfunctional teenagers hacking away in their bedroom, but well trained, well-funded, skilled, professional programmers whose intent is to collect your personal data without your knowledge for the purpose of stealing money and goods.

You can and should always observe safe and sensible practice when using any system, you can also harden a system and there are some very good posts on this site by a contributor by the name of munkery that discuss in some detail what some of those practices should be and some good general advice for hardening OS X. The same good advice applies whatever system you are using, whether it be OS X, Windows, Linux or anything else. However, the average person using a computer of any flavour will not want or be able to perform such hardening. They will likely not follow good practice, not because they are stupid or careless, but simply because they do not understand what it entails and because it is often difficult to do. The average punter who visits a link, perhaps from this forum, sees a site that looks just like YouTube and is then told they need to install a codec to view the video will not hear the same alarm bells that some of us will, they will not have checked the link text to ensure that the site supposedly linked is actually the site it purports to be, they will not know what a codec is, let alone that you should never need to install one to play video from YouTube. Good practice means never opening attachments in emails unless you are sure of their provenance, not using IM or Facebook. There are many aspects of such good practice that are just too difficult to observe for the average computer user.

In this context, I would assert that running an internet facing system without any protection, particularly in a SoHo environment where perimeter security is likely to be limited or non-existent, is negligent.

The basic built-in security and protection on OS X (and Windows 7 for that matter) is adequate if you use the local firewall, keep it behind a simple perimeter firewall, keep it patched and updated, don't run any services that open ports, don't use email or IM on it and don't use it to access the web via a browser; but in reality, how many people do that, particularly if you are using only a single home system?

Modern endpoint protection products (not specifically anti-virus, but full-blown endpoint protection) are inexpensive, unobtrusive and reliable. They provide an additional layer of protection and security from which I would suggest that everyone would benefit. They are no-longer the resource hogs that they were a few years back and can protect against known and many (though I accept not all) unknown threats.

If everyone who uses a computer bought and enabled an endpoint protection product today, I believe we would see the malware industry decline rapidly, because it would no longer be profitable for people to create malware. As long as there is an attack surface caused by a mix of human error and lack of knowledge, social engineering and lack of protection, and a profit motive, then we will continue to the see a growth in numbers and sophistication of exploits across all platforms, including OS X.

Finally, I would point out that just about every large organisation in the world spends significant sums of money and effort on securing their systems, whether they are running Windows, OS X or anything else. These are not stupid people who have been suckered into throwing away millions buying unnecessary products and services by deceitful and underhanded malware protection companies like Symantec, McAfee and Sophos. They are large businesses who take a responsible attitude towards their data and their reputation, they employ skilled people with much knowledge and experience and based on an assessment of cost vs. risk, they decide to implement these types of security technology.

I don't work for any of the security vendors, nor do I have any other financial or other interest in promoting their products. I merely take the risks to my data seriously and choose to spend a very small amount of money each year to provide another level of protection and peace of mind and I do this on both my Mac systems and my Windows ones.

This is not an OS X vs. Windows religious war, it is a people vs. criminals war, and I've chosen sides.
 
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