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ToniCH

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This sold here last friday. Red text is my translation of key points. Non robbery prices are there, not often in ebay but locally. One needs to be awake though. ;)

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But, then again - if you don't want to wait and compete for the few with decent prices, just buy Belkin TB Express Dock. It has FW too.
 
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AshleyPomeroy

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I remember watching a documentary about Jeff Lynne maybe a decade ago or less and it showed his home studio where he did all his music composing/production etc. Pride of place was a PowerMac G5 long after it was obsolete. I suppose as all of these are now slowly weaning themselves off legacy hardware, current choices no longer provide a FW port and so the demand for FW adapters, while not off the scale, is still there and will be for as long as they want to use those interfaces. They won't necessarily want to fix what isn't broken for them.

Circa 2011 Philip Glass still used a Power Mac G4 running OS 9 and a turn-of-the-millennium copy of Pro Tools as a live mixer:
https://www.plogue.com/michael-riesman.html

"Parts are no longer available so we have been buying up used units on eBay just for parts. The writing has been on the wall now long enough; it was time for a major overhaul. Plus, I have been the only one capable of troubleshooting OS 9 software issues and the rig as a whole as this whole system is a relic and younger engineers don’t know anything about it"

Then he switched to software instruments and never looked back.

I remember working for a place in the 2010s where the ID badges were created with a Kodak digital camera that looked to be from the 1990s, hooked up to a computer of similar vintage. My hunch is that Kodak probably sold a printer-camera-PC bundle for some exorbitant price circa 1998, and the company had just never replaced it.

Getting back on topic, searching for "powerbook" on eBay in the UK is a sad experience, but 167021110478 amused me. It's a literal barn find, from a farm office. A 17" 1.67ghz G4 that's covered in dust, and the screen is broken - could be a cable issue - but the price is reasonable enough as a source of spare parts. In contrast almost every other Powerbook is explicitly broken, or the listing implies that the machine works and yet the laptop is turned off, or they're ludicrously overpriced (£799 for another 17" G4 is striking).

Yes, people are still trying to pump up the G3 clamshell iBook.
 
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weckart

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Getting back on topic, searching for "powerbook" on eBay in the UK is a sad experience, but 167021110478 amused me. It's a literal barn find, from a farm office. A 17" 1.67ghz G4 that's covered in dust, and the screen is broken - could be a cable issue - but the price is reasonable enough as a source of spare parts. In contrast almost every other Powerbook is explicitly broken, or the listing implies that the machine works and yet the laptop is turned off, or they're ludicrously overpriced (£799 for another 17" G4 is striking).

Yes, people are still trying to pump up the G3 clamshell iBook.
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You just have to be patient. Among the chancers are affordable options for working examples. More recently, I watched a 15" DLSD A1138 fetch a princely £35 in an auction. That listing seems to have vanished from eBay otherwise I would have put it up here as well. Just set alerts for your price range so you don't have to wade through the dross and wait. Something always comes up.
 
I remember working for a place in the 2010s where the ID badges were created with a Kodak digital camera that looked to be from the 1990s, hooked up to a computer of similar vintage. My hunch is that Kodak probably sold a printer-camera-PC bundle for some exorbitant price circa 1998, and the company had just never replaced it.

That was the Kodak DCS (Digital Camera System): use of a major-brand prosumer/pro film SLR camera body — either Nikon or Canon — then removing the film back door, and replacing/mating it with Kodak’s digital back (the imaging CCD is on the same plane as where film would otherwise be situated).

The system was highly advanced for its moment and bridged the technological gap between fSLRs and dSLRs between about 1997 and early 2000s. The quality, especially for its day, was very good. The downsides: the proprietary digital film back was massive, almost like having extra battery packs hanging from the bottom of the camera body. That giant back sent its data, via thick cable, to a separate computer (this limited portability). Another downside was a DCS kit ran well into the five figures in 1998 dollars.

I used to work at ad agencies which ran product shoots with a Kodak DCS (Nikon), connected to a Bondi iMac (this was in late 1998). The photo would be taken in their set up studio, and it would appear on the iMac display a moment later, to be saved to HDD.

When amortizing costs of ownership for something that spendy, even used, the company you worked for probably saw no need to buy another setup when the one they had did exactly that job to which it was assigned extremely well, and the quality in the 2010s would hold up just fine for something like company ID badges or even government ID badges.

Getting back on topic, searching for "powerbook" on eBay in the UK is a sad experience, but 167021110478 amused me. It's a literal barn find, from a farm office. A 17" 1.67ghz G4 that's covered in dust, and the screen is broken - could be a cable issue - but the price is reasonable enough as a source of spare parts. In contrast almost every other Powerbook is explicitly broken, or the listing implies that the machine works and yet the laptop is turned off, or they're ludicrously overpriced (£799 for another 17" G4 is striking).

Ha, nope.avi.

Yes, people are still trying to pump up the G3 clamshell iBook.

That canker sore known as mhd59michel — Polka-Dot Clown — is still at his stupid shenanigans. I had the misfortune of seeing one of his listings turn up. Same old trash for the privileged price of USD$2,000 to $3,000. I gather he knows he is reviled by every Apple conservator and retro computer user on this dying planet, but I also suspect he has no shame to lose.
 
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ToniCH

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That was the Kodak DCS (Digital Camera System): use of a major-brand prosumer/pro film SLR camera body — either Nikon or Canon — then removing the film back door, and replacing/mating it with Kodak’s digital back (the imaging CCD is on the same plane as where film would otherwise be situated).

The system was highly advanced for its moment and bridged the technological gap between fSLRs and dSLRs between about 1997 and early 2000s. The quality, especially for its day, was very good. The downsides: the proprietary digital film back was massive, almost like having extra battery packs hanging from the bottom of the camera body. That giant back sent its data, via thick cable, to a separate computer (this limited portability). Another downside was a DCS kit ran well into the five figures in 1998 dollars.

I used to work at ad agencies which ran product shoots with a Kodak DCS (Nikon), connected to a Bondi iMac (this was in late 1998). The photo would be taken in their set up studio, and it would appear on the iMac display a moment later, to be saved to HDD.

When amortizing costs of ownership for something that spendy, even used, the company you worked for probably saw no need to buy another setup when the one they had did exactly that job to which it was assigned extremely well, and the quality in the 2010s would hold up just fine for something like company ID badges or even government ID badges.
Another use case for digital backs in early 2000's was product photography. There is a local large consumer supermarket/department store -company with several chains of stores and their ad department had Hasselblad-cameras with digital backs. Perfect for studio photography with proper lighting (light boxes etc.). If I remember it right the the digital back (or the camera+digi back) was around 200.000-250.000 of our old pre euro currency which would make it 51500-64400 euros of todays money. Seems expensive but when they shoot a dozen or more catalogues a year with thousands of products, film, development and scanning costs + time adds up quickly and the digi-thing starts to sound smart quite quickly. I think the old drum scanners (Heidelberg?) they used to scan film were at least around the same price range, or more, when new.

Might have been something like this: https://petapixel.com/2020/10/19/using-a-17-year-old-digital-back-on-a-hasselblad-500c-m/
 
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Another use case for digital backs in early 2000's was product photography.

Indeed! Although what I described earlier was an example of the first time I saw a DCS system in use, it was far from the last. By 2000, I had worked at other agencies, including one whose client was one of the area’s major grocers. They had one studio with a DCS setup in use, reserved exclusively for that client, and it was for shooting product photos for weekly circulars. This would have been late 1999.

In hindsight, what intrigues me about the timing of DCS shoots for products in weekly newspaper circulars/flyers locally was, just one year prior, right around when i first saw that DCS paired to a Bondi iMac, I contracted for a service bureau whose bread and butter workload was the digitization of multiple format transparencies supplied by a major national discount retailer. These were scanned to a Scitex drum scanning system, followed by a team (of which I was a part) awaiting new scans added to a network volume. We were tasked with cleaning each fresh scan, to remove dust and imperfections, adjusting colour and setting to designated ICC profile, and to create clipping paths around products, before dumping those amended sources to another directory for the next company responsible for doing the actual layouts. I’m unsure how much longer that client arrangement lasted before DCS and other digital-source solutions took over, as I only contracted there once.

The last time I saw a DCS system in use was for a photo shoot I directed in 2002.

There is a local large consumer supermarket/department store -company with several chains of stores and their ad department had Hasselblad-cameras with digital backs. Perfect for studio photography with proper lighting (light boxes etc.). If I remember it right the the digital back (or the camera+digi back) was around 200.000-250.000 of our old pre euro currency which would make it 51500-64400 euros of todays money.

Yah. I never got to see a Phase One paired with a Hasselblad 500 body. As I recall, those digital backs alone ran, entry pricing, around $40,000 in freedom dollars, ca. 2001, and no local ad agency or service bureau at that point that I was aware of had gone all-in with a Phase One solution.

Seems expensive but when they shoot a dozen or more catalogues a year with thousands of products, film, development and scanning costs + time adds up quickly and the digi-thing starts to sound smart quite quickly. I think the old drum scanners (Heidelberg?) they used to scan film were at least around the same price range, or more, when new.

Heidelberg sounds about right. If not the above servce bureau, then at least one of the other handful for which I contracted had a Heidelberg drum scanner. I always wanted to be trained on one, but I never got that opportunity. But I do remember the need for mineral oil!


Yah. The H-series. That was their crown jewel. There was also the entry-end LightPhase and the other high-end PowerPhase, but the H-series offered fewer restrictions on the need to tether.
 
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You just have to be patient. Among the chancers are affordable options for working examples. More recently, I watched a 15" DLSD A1138 fetch a princely £35 in an auction. That listing seems to have vanished from eBay otherwise I would have put it up here as well. Just set alerts for your price range so you don't have to wade through the dross and wait. Something always comes up.
Hello,
you write that the PowerBook fetched a “princely” price.

I don't consider the equivalent of €62 for this device to be cheap, but not expensive either, at least for Germany.

In Germany, these PowerBooks (especially the last series) often go for 100€ and more on E-Bay.
 

weckart

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Hello,
you write that the PowerBook fetched a “princely” price.

I don't consider the equivalent of €62 for this device to be cheap, but not expensive either, at least for Germany.

In Germany, these PowerBooks (especially the last series) often go for 100€ and more on E-Bay.
It was a bit of overstatement for the purposes of highlighting the modest price. Englische Sprache, schwere Sprache :)
 

Amethyst1

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I do wonder whether I should have struck. I mean, 6K for less than a grand… but my poor Radeon RX 460 wouldn’t have been able to handle it at 60 Hz. So, I’d have needed a new eGPU too.
 
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weckart

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I bought my first FHD screen, a Dell 2405FPW, from an eBay seller brand new at a huge discount from Dell or Amazon's price. Turned out that Dell employees were able to get this with a generous staff discount and Dell had no problems with their selling them on. I wonder if that is still happening?
 

ToniCH

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This sold here last friday. Red text is my translation of key points. Non robbery prices are there, not often in ebay but locally. One needs to be awake though. ;)

Apple-TB-FW-adapter.jpg


But, then again - if you don't want to wait and compete for the few with decent prices, just buy Belkin TB Express Dock. It has FW too.
LOL! 😆 This guy is now selling these and he has doubled the price in a week. Clearly he knows where to get them. Or more likely he didn't sell the one last week but noticed that there is demand and marked it sold and is reselling the same one with higher price.

This from today:
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LOL! 😆 This guy is now selling these and he has doubled the price in a week. Clearly he knows where to get them. Or more likely he didn't sell the one last week but noticed that there is demand and marked it sold and is reselling the same one with higher price.

This from today:
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Capitalism. Our greatest error and contribution as a dead-end species.
 
Grab it quick….it’s 5% off…..😂

After posting, my brain farted out a terrible idea:

Commission Mr. Polka-Dot Man — mhd59michel — to paint up some TB-to-FW adapters in garish, gauche patterns, and to sell each on ebay for, like, $999, each included with “GIFTS” (like FW800-to-FW400 adapter, a FireWire 400 cable from 2001, and a mouse pad — why a mouse pad? does it even matter?) and all, of course, are “PrOtOtYpEs”.
 

Amethyst1

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Grab it quick….it’s 5% off…..😂
You know what? I’ll sell you my Thunderbolt dock that includes FireWire for 500. Of course, the power brick and Thunderbolt cable are not included in that bargain but I’ll throw them in for an extra 450. Deal? :D

Commission Mr. Polka-Dot Man — mhd59michel — to paint up some TB-to-FW adapters in garish, gauche patterns, and to sell each on ebay for, like, $999, each included with “GIFTS” […]
…well, if that G1F7 were an ultra-high-end audio interface it might even be worth it. :p
 
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