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musicpyrite said:
How would you install 1TB of data?
1,429 CDs?
107 DVDs?

Not to mention how long it would take to install all that. I'm guess you'd have to pull an all nighter for at least a week to install it.


And I really don't think longhorn will be that much different from XP. Some new icons, more eyecandy, more bloat. I mean comon, there's already skins avaliable for XP to make XP look like longhorn.

What they say is 1 TB HD, you won't need to install a 1TB OS ;) ... god! it will take a while for that and the first one to do that will be apple when the macs reach 120 TB HD BTO :cool:

but for a backup ... we'd need Firewire 3200/USB 6.0 HDs

Again, I think that even having the "wow" computers they look, everything will run as slow as always and some people will post (maybe the 20.000.000th post edesignuk ;) ) "Ohh I did like the time of win 3.11, win 2k / xp weren't that bad at all" :rolleyes:
 
Ooooh, a deja vu thread with deja vu replies!


Anyway, if those were the actual system requirements for Longhorn, then how are they actually making and testing it? Think about it. ;)
 
Abstract said:
Ooooh, a deja vu thread with deja vu replies!


Anyway, if those were the actual system requirements for Longhorn, then how are they actually making and testing it? Think about it. ;)

Those are the requirements when Longhorn reaches the market ... 2008?
2006 will be the final release candidate 3.5 ;) , showing a lot of bugs (as usual), 2008 they announce longhorn explorer with "Spotlight" capabilities :D with big security holes :eek:

2010 : Longhorn XP ... "Because UNIX pays off" , by then They should have already bought SCO and claimed that they never forgot *nix people and we will see it again:

"Developers, developers, developers" :p :p

back to topic : I personally think that they haven't given all longhorn properties to the public, just small "screenshots" of what they are expecting from the OS ... if they already have published more than 50% of the OS, they are far far far behind from Mac os X ... my 2 cents...
 
This maybe an oldie, but it's still funny everytime I see it. Even if it's not true, it's amazing that everyone just takes it as fact. Not that I think people are gullible, just that we all kinda expect stuff like that from Microsoft. Priceless. :D
 
bad news...

Macmaniac said:
Luckily for all Mac users I have built an error into the future Intel chips which causes them to explode when Longhorn is installed onto the computer. No one will use an OS the causes your computer to blow up and burn you;)

Then, we won't have people to tell how awesome our macs are, I would like to see MS releasing longhorn, you may not stop us from having fun of PeeCers ... ;)
 
I think that for the hardware to reach those specs in the time allotted then we will need to have a hardware war. Remember back in 2002 when Intel and AMD was releasing their newest fastest processor like every 2 months? The same thing with ATI and NVidia back when the 9700 hit the market. Only they will have to do this for the next 2 years. By that time the hardware will be in the market and the pc makers will start to put the stuff in their computers.

Just my 2 cents though.
 
Remeber before you go bashing longhorn that the only builds out there are earily alpha builds and alpha builds are durning the time when stuff is being heavly added to the OS and they have not started trying to opimizes it. The beta build of it is over a year away and the offical release is 2-3 years from now so the in 2 to 3 years those specs would not be surpiseing. Think about 3 years ago when a top of the line computer did not have a pentium that brok 2 Ghz. 4 years ago 1ghz -1.5 ghz was a big thing in pentuim world and 512 megs of ram was top the line. Now a 512 is consider the min you want and a gig is common place
 
I hate to break the news, but this is an old story as you can see here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/70605/

Those specs should represent what a typical system running Longhorn will look like. Since Longhorn won't be released for at least another two years, it's not unlikely that a new system will have those specs. The OS alone won't need 1 TB of storage and 2 GB of RAM.
 
these specs are ridiculous microsoft better watchout because longhorn is not only delayed but with these specs not going to be available without paying a fortune and new versions of linux and osX shortly that will be better then longhorn i predict many switchers
 
lazymuoio said:
these specs are ridiculous microsoft better watchout because longhorn is not only delayed but with these specs not going to be available without paying a fortune and new versions of linux and osX shortly that will be better then longhorn i predict many switchers


i predict you never learned punctuation in school. lol. But yes i am sure there will be some switchers.
 
musicpyrite said:
How would you install 1TB of data?
1,429 CDs?
107 DVDs?

Not to mention how long it would take to install all that. I'm guess you'd have to pull an all nighter for at least a week to install it.


And I really don't think longhorn will be that much different from XP. Some new icons, more eyecandy, more bloat. I mean comon, there's already skins avaliable for XP to make XP look like longhorn.

how can linux install 4+ gigs worht the info with 3 cd's. Its called compression. And does the requirments say the os will be 1 tb, apple says os x needs at least 3 gigs but my install is about 2 gigs. Same exact logic.
 
NusuniAdmin said:
i predict you never learned punctuation in school. lol. But yes i am sure there will be some switchers.

These sorts of posts never achieve anything, but I see I have been sucked into one again. Please do not berate people for grammar, punctuation or spelling.. especially when you misspelled CORPORATE a couple posts ago, didn't CAPITALIZE "I" and couldn't be bothered to put a comma after "but" and "yes"

Schoolhouse Rock is available on DVD now. Maybe a wise investment.

Back on topic, the specs posted here were, indeed, supposed to be available machines at the time Longhorn ships. Please keep in mind that to Microsoft, new versions of Windows are primarily presumed to be intertwined with new computer purchases. Yes, they sell upgrade versions, but the huge majority of Windows licenses are for full versions (OEM) sold on new computers. Therefore, these specs aren't going to be the "norm" for what is out there, but the top third or so of what is being sold new at the time.

The hard drive size seems way too great to me... Yes, you can buy 400Gig hard drives now, but I don't know of a single company that specs a standard (non-user-configured) computer with anything larger than a 200Gig... and those have been available for years.
 
Blu-Ray Media Link: http://www.blu-ray.com/

A single-layer disc can fit 23.3GB, 25GB or 27GB.
A dual-layer disc can fit 46.6GB, 50GB or 54GB.

There's also research going on to develop 100GB quad-layer discs (25GB per layer).


but 1 TB is probly wat they think the average PC's will have, like we have 80-120 gig drives average, the OS wont need 1 TB that just doesnt make sens.
 
AmigoMac said:
What they say is 1 TB HD, you won't need to install a 1TB OS ;)

no, they just mean that after the OS has been installed, it will require a terabyte to store all the information about your computing life ;) they will keep sending it back to the big brother while your network would otherwise be idling...
 
homerjward said:
not to nit pick, but: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...opComputers&CategoryName=cpu_raseriesdesktops
and it's a vaio. the ubercoolest of pc's. as ubercool as pc's can get...
I don't think that was nit picking.. it was a valid point, and it informed me of a system I wasn't aware of. However, as it comes with a 250meg drive, it's still not the largest available by a long shot.. so the point that "stock computers" very rarely, if ever, come with the largest drives out there is still valid. While 1TB hard drives may well be available when Longhorn ships, I don't expect them to be standard components.
 
A lot of people here simply don't realize that the x86 manufacturers are getting close to ~3.5, and that within a year mainstream PCs will be that fast. Today most PC boxes are ~2.5... And given that longhorn will be out in what, like 2 years... We should be around ~5 as a conservative estimate, with most users buying new ~4 Ghz boxes. This is an OS meant to serve the mainstream market for a few years, lets say 5... By then we're talking ~9 GHz (random guess considering how far, but the point is that is WAY overshoots the "recommended" 4-6 spec that was quoted). The terabyte thing is just the HD space that high-end boxes will have standard by longhorn release, and by its maturity, think multiples of that. The installation will prolly take a DVD or two.

Remember how OSX could never have a chance in hell to run on a 1 yr old box, let alone being slooooow on new ones (bar optimizations brought by 10.x releases, we could compare this to longhorn betas in a year's time)? Thats right, same situation.

The truth is that these specs are realistic. Now as for longhorn being actually "good", as a programmer, let me tell you that the idea of n thousand people working on one project is insane -- it boggles the mind, sure theres endless manpower, but try organizing something like that, its insane. Everytime a new programmer touches something he didn't personally code, something is likely to go wrong, and in projects of that side, I imagine that code changes hands quite often.
 
dermeister said:
A lot of people here simply don't realize that the x86 manufacturers are getting close to ~3.5, and that within a year mainstream PCs will be that fast. Today most PC boxes are ~2.5... And given that longhorn will be out in what, like 2 years... We should be around ~5 as a conservative estimate, with most users buying new ~4 Ghz boxes. This is an OS meant to serve the mainstream market for a few years, lets say 5... By then we're talking ~9 GHz (random guess considering how far, but the point is that is WAY overshoots the "recommended" 4-6 spec that was quoted). The terabyte thing is just the HD space that high-end boxes will have standard by longhorn release, and by its maturity, think multiples of that. The installation will prolly take a DVD or two.

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the fabrication wall that all the chip manufacturers have hit...That's right, they've been stuck at 3.2 GHz for many months. We've hit the practical maximum of current fab techniques. Modifications will be needed to squeeze more out of it.

And silicon itself won't go far past 9 GHz, so to say we'll get to 9 in leaps and bounds is a bit outlandish.
 
Todays computers on Longhorn/Longhorn just a new Windoze?

I'm keeping my PowerBook untill at least the end of collage. It will last that long, seeing as how I've seen LC's last years and years....and the PowerBook is way faster than those LC's.

Which, on a now-on-topic note, shows that todays computers better be able to run Longhorn with some upgrades. If the original iMacs can run OS X rather well....

EDIT: (more to the point, an on-topic edit)
"Microsoft is planning to distribute the first official alpha release of Longhorn at next week's conference in Seattle. Its ReadMe notes, which describe a Longhorn build as "the preliminary release of Microsoft Windows Code Name 'Longhorn' to be distributed at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference," leaked to the Web on Thursday." (news website mentioned earlier)

If you didn't catch that, here it is again, but more edited:
"...preliminary release of Microsoft Windows Code Name 'Longhorn'..." (same news site)

Is Longhorn just a really new Windoze?
 
mkrishnan said:
but I remember that when Win95 first came out, it ran terribly on the ridiculously expensive top-end machines that made up the first wave of Win95 OEM'd computers. I think it was first gen Pentium 55-60 MHz at that time? :cool:

They were faster than that when 95 came out (24/8/95 IIRC). We bought a Pentium 90 in 1994, and it wasn't top of the line.
 
Nermal said:
They were faster than that when 95 came out (24/8/95 IIRC). We bought a Pentium 90 in 1994, and it wasn't top of the line.
Are you sure? We got a Pentium 75MHz at the end of 1995, with Windows 95 on it. I remember a friend got his PC (first one) 6 months before and it was a 486 with Windows 3.1. These computers weren't exactly cheap although I don't think they were the complete top of the line. However, I don't think the Pentium existed in 1994 did it?

As for these specs, I think it just shows how far off Longhorn still is. The OS will not need a TB to install, it's just that it will be able to search files on drives that are higher capacity than this limit, etc. And, by then, games installations will probably be several GB...

I seem to remember there being 3 different benchmark specs - low grade, medium and high grade - one suited for each of the various graphical effects needed.

BTW, how can they be sure we'll be at 6 GHz in 2-3 years? It's taken Intel 2 years to go from 3.2 to 3.6GHz.
 
johnnyjibbs said:
Are you sure? We got a Pentium 75MHz at the end of 1995, with Windows 95 on it. I remember a friend got his PC (first one) 6 months before and it was a 486 with Windows 3.1. These computers weren't exactly cheap although I don't think they were the complete top of the line. However, I don't think the Pentium existed in 1994 did it?

I'm pretty sure we got it in 94, but it might have been early 95. Windows 95 definitely wasn't out at the time.
 
musicpyrite said:
How would you install 1TB of data?
1,429 CDs?
107 DVDs?

Not to mention how long it would take to install all that. I'm guess you'd have to pull an all nighter for at least a week to install it.
And I really don't think longhorn will be that much different from XP. Some new icons, more eyecandy, more bloat. I mean comon, there's already skins avaliable for XP to make XP look like longhorn.

Remember the Mac/System7 "floppie shuffle"? We will se it again with Longhorn. Only this time it's DVD's. Anybody here install MS office on a Mac with floppies back in the early 90"s? It was 24 disks and took hours.
Compressed down, with just a system install, I'll guess 3-5 DVD's.
 
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