The problem is that you are conflating 'reasonable' and 'believable'. Correct is: apps that are designed and written in a proper manner do not have UI lag. This has nothing to do with whether these apps are 'heavy' or 'light'.
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El Cap lags exactly like Yosemite. Nothing changed
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The problem is that you are conflating 'reasonable' and 'believable'. Correct is: apps that are designed and written in a proper manner do not have UI lag. This has nothing to do with whether these apps are 'heavy' or 'light'.
There is measurable difference in lag between heavy and light apps. I'll be happy to upload videos of that too instead of just having readers take someone's word as a gospel truth.
Lag could be minimised but I highly doubt a heavy app could be lag free because of the amount of redrawing that need to occur. Would be happy to see developers chime in on this issue because they have spoken about it over the years.
This conversation has been going on since even before 10.0 back when Classic Mac OS users deliberated the need for live resizing because Windows had it, and then again when 10.0 came out with terrible lag.
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A lot of things have changed since 10.0. A magical word here is 'Core Animation'. Anyway, maybe you should develop an app or two yourself first, learn how the drawing in the OS works and read through the Cocoa documentation before you start acting as an expert?
Yeah thanks for telling me what I know about Core technologies for 15 years and then making a cheesy personal attack when I said we should wait for developers to talk about this. My signature just gets verified daily.
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Person 4: Some people have great experiences with their computers. Others experience problems, and they should seek help (a tech person, these forums, etc), so that they, too, can have great experiences with their computers.
And those people who genuinely need support shouldn't need to be told that their issues don't exist and that everything in the world of OSX is lag free, super instantly fast and rosey.
I have no idea why I'm lag-free, but I am. On my 2 Mac Pros (one of them isn't even officially supported), ever since I installed 10.10.3 the OS has been smooth and very responsive. And since this is an El Cap thread, I just wanted to mention that after installing iOS 9 on my iPhone yesterday, I can't wait to have San Francisco as my new system font. It really makes a difference compared to Helvetica and should be very noticeable even on non-retina macs.
I had the very same impression. When moving from Yosemity to the first beta it instantly felt faster and snappier. And that was the BETA!
I'm working with my Mac every day with huge excel sheets and presentations etc. I would never have noticed any "lag" in resizing windows.... and regarding "Windows 10 getting faster than 8 or 7": I'm working with my Mac (instead of the company-provided Windows laptop) because I would go crazy with Windows showing "Application not responding" 100 times a day and Outlook lagging and hanging all the time because of a crappy network connection.
Mac OS is so much faster and more responsive than Windows will ever be!
And those people who genuinely need support shouldn't need to be told that their issues don't exist and that everything in the world of OSX is lag free, super instantly fast and rosey.
am not saying anything of the sort; am pointing out that, just because some people have an issue, that doesn't mean it's 'global' and we all have it...and those people should get help for the problem (so they can enjoy the experience those of us without the problem enjoy). that's all i am saying.
And those people who genuinely need support shouldn't need to be told that their issues don't exist and that everything in the world of OSX is lag free, super instantly fast and rosey.
Agreed. However, just look at the topic - "El Cap lags like Yosemite - Nothing's changed"; it implies that "El Capitan Lags for everyone". And, maybe it's just me, but it also seems a bit emotional as well. And then later in the discussion, the poster claims "Windows gets faster with each release and OS X gets slower".
And people have been saying that it's not true, El Capitan doesn't lag for everyone. For the poster - it does, sure. For you, your 3Gb TIFs load poorly. For a lot of people, it is lag free. For example, a lot of things I worked on in Yosemite used to lag, from Mission Control, to opening Previews - heck, even my mouse lagged from time to time in Yosemite. All of this is gone in El Capitan and the system is constantly responsive no matter what I throw at it - from running Photoshop, Painter and Zbrush to surfing or checking out Twitter with Tweetbot. The same is on my RMBP from 2013. And my Friends MBP from 2010 and iMac from 2011 works faster as well. So, no - it's not true that "nothing's changed".
We'll see on October 1st when things are more mature. But I don't think anyone should expect an OSX release to be at its best until after a few updates. The problem is Apple has created high expectations this time and it was probably not wise to do so as it will disappoint many who expect too much. If Apple hadn't bragged about the speed ups I probably wouldn't have given a crap if those large tiffs didn't show thumbnails or took too long to preview.
Some things still can be a bit better. for example go to http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/ and scroll to some of the animated images and then activate mission control. If you have a few other apps and spaces open, it will be choppy especially when mousing over the multiple desktops view on top. Not sure why heavier apps and sites can't be smooth too
Actually, while they did mention they improved performance, I think most of the expectations were built up by a group of users themselves. As always, people want nothing less than perfection and focus on the negative - like, dropped fps while resizing windows.
Well, it's not choppy on my iMac, but in all honesty, even if it was, wouldn't it be a little bit nitpicky to be bothered by that?
that was just one example, there are other such as the photos app. Not too nitpicky when some javascript from apple themselves can bring choppiness to the entire OS
Yes, like I said somewhere above that a lag free OS is virtually impossible, especially if a lot of information has to be drawn in the viewport. Instead of resizing windows all the time they should focus on where they actually need performance increases that make them more productive. Personally I only need better multitasking from this release. I don't think Metal will do much for me as Photoshop and Lightroom work mostly in real time for the operations I perform. I just wish Adobe would finally stick the liquify tool in the main viewport. That's where Metal could be handy.
everyone should have a trouble-free, productive, satisfying relationship with their computers, their OS's. but in the real world...there are lots of challenges. the trick is to resolve them, on our own, with others; with forums, geniuses... meanwhile, while the point updates help, we need to use our computers NOW. for me, 10.11 is working right now; not issue-free, but not keeping me from doing anything i need to do. there will always be bugs, and there will always be updates. but if can get our work done, our play done... we're doing well. just a thought...
Oh yeah! That would be really awesome. Especially since liquify currently shows only that one single layer you're applying it to.
The liquify module can show all the layers (and now it can show guides too) from the advanced options but the preview is just ******.
Developer beta from 1 to 5 did not have this lag problem . I sold over 5 retina macbooks because of Yosemite lag .
Now I have a Macbook Air early 2014 with 4 gb of ram and NO LAG on Developer beta 3 , but if I upgrade to developer beta 8 or GM , there is lag exactly like in your videos .
Now I have a Macbook Air early 2014 with 4 gb of ram and NO LAG on Developer beta 3 , but if I upgrade to developer beta 8 or GM , there is lag exactly like in your videos .
The only issues I have noticed with El Cap GM on my iMac is ridiculously slow shut down times and sometimes my menu bar will disappear until I hover the mouse over it. Otherwise it's much smoother than Yosemite for me.
Check System Preferences->General for the 2nd checkbox and see if it's enabled.