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darkrabbit

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Aug 20, 2015
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I'm not sure where in Win8 or Win 10 it is noted that you right click the start menu button to get more advanced features.
An example of something simple: Windows 10 client logged in to a domain. User wants to simply logoff. You have to either know that your account name houses the signout command or you have to know to right click the start button then power then signet. Previously in Windows 7 the logoff/signout/switch user was all under power. Anything to do with restarting shutting down and signing off was in one spot, now it's in 3 spots.
Or let's say a new printer is setup and I want to change it so that it only prints in black and white rather than color.
The new settings thing will take you to your installed printers but that's about it. Now you must know that you need to Right Click Start -> Control Panel -> View Devices and Printers -> Right Click Printer -> Printer Properties (not Properties)-> Change Properties ->Advanced -> Printing Defaults -> Paper/Quality -> Advanced -> Print in Greyscale ->On

At least this is how it goes for our HP Officejet 8600 Printers
Opposite of simple.

Seriously?

CTRL+ALT+DEL, sign out. Who doesn't know that?? Been there since Windows 2000 at least.... Domain users KNOW this because screen lock is enforced and this is how they unlock.

Printers.... ummm... type Printers in the Search Windows dialog on your taskbar and pull them up. Yeah you have to go through a few settings but in OSX you do as well. In Windows you can change to color and grayscale right within the print dialog when you try and print something by the way.

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like you use Windows much, or you just like making things harder than they need to be. With OSX it's way worse because there's often no shorter way to get to certain settings. With Windows there's a number of ways and yes, some (or many) are a pain, but other paths take about 5 seconds. Damn, locking the screen in OSX is an exercise, Ctrl-shift power is easy enough but it takes about 4 times for it to actually get recognized and if you're in certain windows it won't work at all, you need to click the desktop or something else. Then press it 3 more times.

What really drives me nuts about OSX is just how incredibly unstable and unreliable it is, and Apple's utter complacency in fixing things. This AM I woke up and once again opened the MBP to my login screen which means it rebooted overnight due to a crash. Sure enough "your computer was shut down due to a problem". We've been through what, 5 versions of Yosemite and they still aren't fixing crashes that happened in 10.10.0? Even 10.9. Now people are complaining about 10.11, badly. Come on... And like I said before, they have no excuse. They only need to support their hardware, so there's no reason for any of it. Can't even write software properly and jail it in its own memory space so if there's an issue it doesn't kernel panic the whole OS. Bunch of high school C students in India writing their code.

UI is what it is, I can figure out shortcuts and work with what they have. Not ideal, especially when it comes to networking in business environments but it's not too bad. It's functionally poor for many everyday things like file management and networking, but there's really nothing wrong with the UI. The stability though is unacceptable and speaks to the real lack of quality of the product.

As far as revolutionary UI changes, there's nothing revolutionary about OSX iterations, version numbers or not. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, because it makes the transition between versions smoother. You can update and get a few new things but keep working the same way you did a few hours ago. These mass UI revamps sometimes cause adoption problems. Windows 8 anyone? Don't even get me started on them trying to 'tablet' their server line UI. But lets be real here, syncing a phone with a laptop isn't revolutionary, nor is some new wallpapers and some improved search features. Apple has their hardware DOWN, it's ***** amazing build quality. Now they need to stabilize the OS and replace finder with something from this century. There's more, but high school students have a short attention span and I don't want to overwhelm them :)

Forget revolutionary. Fix your ****, Apple.

-J
 
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Joehascol

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Sep 8, 2014
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Seriously?

CTRL+ALT+DEL, sign out. Who doesn't know that?? Been there since Windows 2000 at least.... Domain users KNOW this because screen lock is enforced and this is how they unlock.

Printers.... ummm... type Printers in the Search Windows dialog on your taskbar and pull them up. Yeah you have to go through a few settings but in OSX you do as well. In Windows you can change to color and grayscale right within the print dialog when you try and print something by the way.

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like you use Windows much, or you just like making things harder than they need to be. With OSX it's way worse because there's often no shorter way to get to certain settings. With Windows there's a number of ways and yes, some (or many) are a pain, but other paths take about 5 seconds. Damn, locking the screen in OSX is an exercise, Ctrl-shift power is easy enough but it takes about 4 times for it to actually get recognized and if you're in certain windows it won't work at all, you need to click the desktop or something else. Then press it 3 more times.

What really drives me nuts about OSX is just how incredibly unstable and unreliable it is, and Apple's utter complacency in fixing things. This AM I woke up and once again opened the MBP to my login screen which means it rebooted overnight due to a crash. Sure enough "your computer was shut down due to a problem". We've been through what, 5 versions of Yosemite and they still aren't fixing crashes that happened in 10.10.0? Even 10.9. Now people are complaining about 10.11, badly. Come on... And like I said before, they have no excuse. They only need to support their hardware, so there's no reason for any of it. Can't even write software properly and jail it in its own memory space so if there's an issue it doesn't kernel panic the whole OS. Bunch of high school C students in India writing their code.

UI is what it is, I can figure out shortcuts and work with what they have. Not ideal, especially when it comes to networking in business environments but it's not too bad. It's functionally poor for many everyday things like file management and networking, but there's really nothing wrong with the UI. The stability though is unacceptable and speaks to the real lack of quality of the product.

As far as revolutionary UI changes, there's nothing revolutionary about OSX iterations, version numbers or not. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, because it makes the transition between versions smoother. You can update and get a few new things but keep working the same way you did a few hours ago. These mass UI revamps sometimes cause adoption problems. Windows 8 anyone? Don't even get me started on them trying to 'tablet' their server line UI. But lets be real here, syncing a phone with a laptop isn't revolutionary, nor is some new wallpapers and some improved search features. Apple has their hardware DOWN, it's ***** amazing build quality. Now they need to stabilize the OS and replace finder with something from this century. There's more, but high school students have a short attention span and I don't want to overwhelm them :)

Forget revolutionary. Fix your ****, Apple.

-J


Dude, relax.
 
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fisherking

macrumors G4
Jul 16, 2010
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Seriously?

CTRL+ALT+DEL, sign out. Who doesn't know that?? Been there since Windows 2000 at least.... Domain users KNOW this because screen lock is enforced and this is how they unlock.

Printers.... ummm... type Printers in the Search Windows dialog on your taskbar and pull them up. Yeah you have to go through a few settings but in OSX you do as well. In Windows you can change to color and grayscale right within the print dialog when you try and print something by the way.

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like you use Windows much, or you just like making things harder than they need to be. With OSX it's way worse because there's often no shorter way to get to certain settings. With Windows there's a number of ways and yes, some (or many) are a pain, but other paths take about 5 seconds. Damn, locking the screen in OSX is an exercise, Ctrl-shift power is easy enough but it takes about 4 times for it to actually get recognized and if you're in certain windows it won't work at all, you need to click the desktop or something else. Then press it 3 more times.

What really drives me nuts about OSX is just how incredibly unstable and unreliable it is, and Apple's utter complacency in fixing things. This AM I woke up and once again opened the MBP to my login screen which means it rebooted overnight due to a crash. Sure enough "your computer was shut down due to a problem". We've been through what, 5 versions of Yosemite and they still aren't fixing crashes that happened in 10.10.0? Even 10.9. Now people are complaining about 10.11, badly. Come on... And like I said before, they have no excuse. They only need to support their hardware, so there's no reason for any of it. Can't even write software properly and jail it in its own memory space so if there's an issue it doesn't kernel panic the whole OS. Bunch of high school C students in India writing their code.

UI is what it is, I can figure out shortcuts and work with what they have. Not ideal, especially when it comes to networking in business environments but it's not too bad. It's functionally poor for many everyday things like file management and networking, but there's really nothing wrong with the UI. The stability though is unacceptable and speaks to the real lack of quality of the product.

As far as revolutionary UI changes, there's nothing revolutionary about OSX iterations, version numbers or not. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, because it makes the transition between versions smoother. You can update and get a few new things but keep working the same way you did a few hours ago. These mass UI revamps sometimes cause adoption problems. Windows 8 anyone? Don't even get me started on them trying to 'tablet' their server line UI. But lets be real here, syncing a phone with a laptop isn't revolutionary, nor is some new wallpapers and some improved search features. Apple has their hardware DOWN, it's ***** amazing build quality. Now they need to stabilize the OS and replace finder with something from this century. There's more, but high school students have a short attention span and I don't want to overwhelm them :)

Forget revolutionary. Fix your ****, Apple.

-J

just your experience. for me, for example...i've been using OS X since 10.2, and, even in yosemite, have not found the OS to be "unstable and unreliable"...quite the opposite. so whatever you're going thru, getting help for these issues is probably a better use of your time than assuming everyone has the same issues, and it's the OS...and not your own experience with it. just a thought... :cool:
 

Cardsnk

Suspended
Jul 18, 2013
141
12
Wishing for a universal "pin on top/float on top" option without terminal hacking or 3rd party apps.
 

SlCKB0Y

macrumors 68040
Feb 25, 2012
3,431
557
Sydney, Australia
What really drives me nuts about OSX is just how incredibly unstable and unreliable it is, and Apple's utter complacency in fixing things. This AM I woke up and once again opened the MBP to my login screen which means it rebooted overnight due to a crash. Sure enough "your computer was shut down due to a problem". We've been through what, 5 versions of Yosemite and they still aren't fixing crashes that happened in 10.10.0? Even 10.9.

Pfft, don't blame us/Apple because you can't use OS X.
 

bennyprofane

macrumors member
Jun 23, 2015
99
333
OS X is perfectly stable, even the El Capitan beta is mostly flawless for me. Most people complaining about instabilities install new OS releases (Panther, Leopard, Snow Leopard...) on top of the previous OS instead of doing a fresh install, this leads to most troubles. I would even recommend not to restore from time machine after the fresh install because to many system settings get migrated and might cause problems, better to do a manual migration of your personal stuff and install apps fresh. Unfortunately, this is the route that Apple advises and doing a fresh install needs a few minutes of googling (tip: diskmaker x).

If you're not much of an power user, the conventional route might work for you, too.
 
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