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The iPhone's OS X is stripped down to what it needs. But my question is... what architecture does it run on? If it's ARM/Xscale, as rumored, then it's not x86, right? And that means OS X has been ported to a whole third chip family? (In which case, hacking it to add other OS X apps won't work.)

Or could it be running some kind of G3 variant? That would make the most sense to me, since G3s (not by that name) come in mobile flavors, and OS X already runs on PPC.
 
As does Symbian.

The majority of Symbian phones does everything the iPhone can AND MORE!! Plus my E70 very very rarely crashes.

The iPhone is nothing special, apart from the multi-touch touch screen UI.
First, I acknowledge being wrong about the multitasking on other phones. Out of curiosity, how easy and non-cumbersome is it?

But what of the other features I listed: iPod, web browser, ease of use? Other phones may have an iPod and a web browser, but nowhere near as well implemented.

As for your (and everyone else's) comparisons with features in existing phones:
I have an old 233MHz computer that can do most of what my MacBook Pro can do:

I can write programs on it
I can write websites on it
I can check e-mail with it
I can browse websites with it

It is worth probably around $100, being very generous. My MBP was >$2000. Well, I guess I just wasted my money on a MBP, didn't I?
 
I see where you're going, CoreWeb, and I both get it and agree with you. I am surprised at how many Mac owners are compaing the iPhone to other smartphones. I wouldn't say that I am a smartphone "power user" but I have used a Blackberry and while they 'kinda/'sorta get the job done, they are hardly intuitive and not much to look at.
 
First, I acknowledge being wrong about the multitasking on other phones. Out of curiosity, how easy and non-cumbersome is it?

But what of the other features I listed: iPod, web browser, ease of use? Other phones may have an iPod and a web browser, but nowhere near as well implemented.

As for your (and everyone else's) comparisons with features in existing phones:
I have an old 233MHz computer that can do most of what my MacBook Pro can do:

I can write programs on it
I can write websites on it
I can check e-mail with it
I can browse websites with it

It is worth probably around $100, being very generous. My MBP was >$2000. Well, I guess I just wasted my money on a MBP, didn't I?

Have you ever even used a Windows Mobile device? How about the Windows Mobile Treo? I would guess you haven't, because if you had, you'd realize it does pretty much everything the iPhone does feature-wise, at least according to the features that have been disclosed until this point, and more in some cases. And the usability is good (At least Palm's heavily customized version, default WinMo a little less so)

Most importantly, the iPhone isn't even out yet, so how can you say it's easier to use than anything? No one has really used it yet, except for Mossberg and Pogue playing around with it in a supervised environment for a couple minutes. I'll reserve judgement until I use one for myself, and read in-depth usage reviews.
 
Switching between running apps on my nokia is easy - press a button, list of running applications appear, select. Easy.

Your comparison of MacBook Pro v 233Mhz Mac. Thats a personal thing for you - did you get value for money? No one can argue this point. Another person in your situation may not think that the money spent on the macBook Pro would be good value for money over the 233Mhz Mac for a variety of reasons. Its personal for each individual.

The iPhone hasn't yet been released. People have only used it for a short space of time. It may turn out the GUI and multi touch screen is the best thing since sliced bread in day to day use... or could be overly cumbersome. You can rarely use something for half an hour or less ( which most previewers have ) and base that experience in the real world. You have to use it for a good period of time.


First, I acknowledge being wrong about the multitasking on other phones. Out of curiosity, how easy and non-cumbersome is it?

But what of the other features I listed: iPod, web browser, ease of use? Other phones may have an iPod and a web browser, but nowhere near as well implemented.

As for your (and everyone else's) comparisons with features in existing phones:
I have an old 233MHz computer that can do most of what my MacBook Pro can do:

I can write programs on it
I can write websites on it
I can check e-mail with it
I can browse websites with it

It is worth probably around $100, being very generous. My MBP was >$2000. Well, I guess I just wasted my money on a MBP, didn't I?
 
Your comparison of MacBook Pro v 233Mhz Mac. Thats a personal thing for you - did you get value for money? No one can argue this point. Another person in your situation may not think that the money spent on the macBook Pro would be good value for money over the 233Mhz Mac for a variety of reasons. Its personal for each individual.

Agreed, here. But I'm on the side who wants the MacBook Pro. The other one would technically work, but it would work nowhere near as well for me.

I'm hoping the iPhone will be much better, not necessarily in feature set than the other phones, but in how well the features are implemented. This is more important to me than 3g, which is to me the only significant feature it lacks (though removable battery could be nice). 3g is spotty where I live - it is reliable in my house, but I would use WIFI there anyway, so 3g isn't that important. That being said, if I feel that 3g will come relatively quickly, I might wait before buying the phone (assuming, of course, the phone seems acceptable to me after trying it out).

Have you ever even used a Windows Mobile device? How about the Windows Mobile Treo? I would guess you haven't, because if you had, you'd realize it does pretty much everything the iPhone does feature-wise, at least according to the features that have been disclosed until this point, and more in some cases. And the usability is good (At least Palm's heavily customized version, default WinMo a little less so)

Most importantly, the iPhone isn't even out yet, so how can you say it's easier to use than anything? No one has really used it yet, except for Mossberg and Pogue playing around with it in a supervised environment for a couple minutes. I'll reserve judgement until I use one for myself, and read in-depth usage reviews.

I have used a Windows Mobile device a couple of times, but I've used a Blackberry more. I'm going off of what I have seen in the Apple demos. You are perfectly right that the iPhone may not be easy to use. It looks easy and well designed.

Most importantly, in a phone I want something that works seamlessly, and that is something Apple is good at.

Now, this wanting of things to work seamlessly over what possible feature set it has does not apply to everything for me: for example, I would prefer a Mac Mini to an AppleTV, even though I think the AppleTV is very nice, and would work much more smoothly.
 
Iphone battery dead after 40 minutes?

http://theappleblog.com/2007/04/04/dvorak-iphone-battery-dead-after-40-minutes/

Dvorak: iPhone battery dead after 40 minutes

Although John C. Dvorak cited thin margins and Apple’s inability to play the fashion game fast enough in a recent MarketWatch column urging the company to pull the plug on the iPhone, he revealed far different reasons on the latest episode of This Week in Tech (TWiT).

During Episode 93 of the top-ranked podcast, Dvorak said he received information from “a guy at Cingular who’s testing the product.” The unnamed, male Cingular employee told Dvorak “there’s lots of issues.”

“He says the amateur mistake that they made is not having a removable battery,” Dvorak said. “You run 20 minutes and you’re using up half the battery power. You get 40 minutes total talk time. And the interface fouls up constantly.”​


Consider the source, of course...
 
I see the iPhone detractors are shifting magically from "the iPhone does nothing other phones don't" (obviously false) to... "the iPhone isn't out yet! ANYTHING could go wrong!! It might NOT work as well as the demo seemed to show!"

Ok, yes :) Anything's possible. The future is a scary unknown. Meanwhile, we'll just have to discuss what we've seen so far I guess. What we've seen so far is light years beyond how other phones work. With scrolling and Web zooming being just two ways that this is more than fun eye candy.

So the new argument, "wait and see before buying" is 100% good advice. (Of course, there's no choice in that.)

The old argument that YOU "know" before the iPhone is out that other phones "do EVERYTHING iPhone does" is best set aside... when even the unfinished phone we've seen has screen size, storage capacity, and very unique usability features lacking in the old-style units people have been touting as better. (And in many cases they lack WiFi and the iPhone's thin form factor too.)


http://theappleblog.com/2007/04/04/dvorak-iphone-battery-dead-after-40-minutes/

Dvorak: iPhone battery dead after 40 minutes

Although John C. Dvorak cited thin margins and Apple’s inability to play the fashion game fast enough in a recent MarketWatch column urging the company to pull the plug on the iPhone, he revealed far different reasons on the latest episode of This Week in Tech (TWiT).

During Episode 93 of the top-ranked podcast, Dvorak said he received information from “a guy at Cingular who’s testing the product.” The unnamed, male Cingular employee told Dvorak “there’s lots of issues.”

“He says the amateur mistake that they made is not having a removable battery,” Dvorak said. “You run 20 minutes and you’re using up half the battery power. You get 40 minutes total talk time. And the interface fouls up constantly.”​


Consider the source, of course...

Thanks :) But you already know to disregard the source--aside from Dvorak making up really out-there anti-Apple stuff all the time, consider HIS source. Nobody high up enough to get an iPhone to test is going to badmouth their own coming product when he knows very well that any problems he sees are likely to be fixed. Thus, the source is likely anonymous fiction with no proof of identity--which Dvorak knows but chooses to pretend to believe. (And no matter WHO the source is, a beta test unit is not evidence that Apple is actually going to reduce the stated talk time from 5 hours to under 1 :rolleyes: Even YOU don't think that's a possibility--much as you, like Dvorak, love to spread anti-Apple FUD. He loves the idea of people repeating, "I heard that the iPhone gets barely over half an hour talk time!" All anyone can say about the iPhone now is, something might delay it. True of any complex product. They won't ship it bug-free because no company ever does, but they won't ship it with a battery than can't make one long call.)
 
http://theappleblog.com/2007/04/04/dvorak-iphone-battery-dead-after-40-minutes/

Dvorak: iPhone battery dead after 40 minutes

Although John C. Dvorak cited thin margins and Apple’s inability to play the fashion game fast enough in a recent MarketWatch column urging the company to pull the plug on the iPhone, he revealed far different reasons on the latest episode of This Week in Tech (TWiT).

During Episode 93 of the top-ranked podcast, Dvorak said he received information from “a guy at Cingular who’s testing the product.” The unnamed, male Cingular employee told Dvorak “there’s lots of issues.”

“He says the amateur mistake that they made is not having a removable battery,” Dvorak said. “You run 20 minutes and you’re using up half the battery power. You get 40 minutes total talk time. And the interface fouls up constantly.”​


Consider the source, of course...

That sounds pretty reasonable. Cingular most certainly has people testing the device, as it will be out soon. And the iPhone is not a finished product, so it's conceivable that there are issues at this point. Of course, these issues will most certainly be fixed by ship time: Steve Jobs would never allow a device to ship with only 40 minutes of battery life.

People need to remember that making a smartphone is much harder than making a portable music player. Palm and Blackberry and Nokia and HTC have been doing it for years, and all have bugs in their products, so don't expect Apple's first venture to be bug-free.
 
iPhone for Dummies listed on Amazon

The iPhone isn't out yet, and you can't preorder it, however, you can preorder the book on how to use it from Amazon. Believe it or not, iPhone for Dummies is available for preorder. There's even a picture of the book. Says available in September. Already discounted to $14.95.

Here's the info from Amazon:

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A tad bit random, but I had a dream the other night. I went into my pocket to find a phone and pulled out an iPhone! It's actually got me just a little bit more interested in this now.

That said I just got a RAZR. Old phone I know and it does replace a newer one, but just as the 2G Shuffle has replaced my iPod mini I'm finding smaller tech that little bit better.
 
As we've seen, the first iPhone images showed the name "Cingular" up in the corner. Then the iPhone television commercial during Super Bowl XLI showed "AT&T" in the corner, presumably corresponding to AT&T's announced intention to phase out the Cingular brand after their merger.

So surely the switch back to "Cingular" in this photo can't just be an oversight, right? I would presume that AT&T is dictating which name Apple displays in these promos, since that is the one tiny piece of pixel real estate that is essential to AT&T's branding on the iPhone.

Perhaps AT&T felt the iPhone commercial jumped the gun too quickly in replacing Cingular's name? Perhaps the Cingular management made a stink? Or does this back-and-forth simply mean that the brands are in flux and nothing's yet decided?

It's also worth noting that Cingular/AT&T's site shows "AT&T" in the corner, while Apple's site still shows "Cingular" in the corner:

http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp
http://www.apple.com/iphone
 
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