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Emulated 12900K for mobile has better performance with low power consumption like M1 Max?
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I’m not going to read too much into this at the moment - and I think especially in terms of efficiency, Intel has a lot of catching up to do - however, Apple Silicon should be good for the whole market. Competition drives innovation. It will be interesting to see what Intel and AMD can come up with in response in the coming years. Maybe in another 10 years, Apple will be switching back to Intel again. For now, it’s pretty much a moot point, as people generally want either a Mac or a PC - regardless of what the benchmarks say.
the thing that annoys me is the intel 16” and 5600m graphics was now a machine that can run windows and game flawlessly then now they took it away, there are many pros like my self that was a mac for there work flow but also wanna game on it, it is annoying to see intel now making a great cpu as apple ditched them
Cinebench is not really native for m1 is using sse2 to run the benchmark so check spec2017 result Cinebench show nothing until it use neon
No it's not. It's a CPU only story.
Apple has the advantage of faster system throughput and total system power consumption.
Intel doesn't have dedicated video encoders equal to Apple's, Intel doesn't have Neural Engines, and you need a discreet GPU on top to match the one in the Apple SoC.
When an Intel system has all of those the total power consumption and heat is just not what we want. We dealt with that for years. Move on.
No one took anything away from you. Just buy a intel 16". There are still plenty available.
But Apple moved forward to a new architecture. They have done thus in the past from 68k to PowerPC to Intel and now to Apple Silicon. It is called progress and full-fills the needs of many professionals making money with their macs.
Now of you are annoyed by this well easy, buy an older Intel mac or move to a PC. PC's run windows natively and your beloved games will run on it.
Me, personally, I am happy with the transition. This change fits my use cases. I do not care for windows and neither do I care for gaming.
Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Apple and anyone else, making improvements is good for the Industry as a whole, as it pushes everyone else to do better. We, as consumers are the biggest winners here.
Beyond that, whether Intel manages to beat out Apple Silicon on a performance per watt ratio, or not is largely irrelevant to us (Mac users) now, we won’t see it in an Apple system. Going forward, if you want macOS, you’ll get Apple Silicon.
Apple has actually made a pretty impressive first generation Mac SOC. We’re still early in the transition, not everything is available, or optimised for AS yet, but whatever Mac software isn’t, will be. Rosetta won’t stick around forever, so it’s either adapt or give up on Mac.
For the past year Apple Silicon has consistently surpassed my expectations, a trend I expect to continue with my M1 Pro (it has so far). At the end of the day, we should just watch them all battle it out against each other and reap the rewards.
Beyond that, whether Intel manages to beat out Apple Silicon on a performance per watt ratio, or not is largely irrelevant to us (Mac users) now, we won’t see it in an Apple system. Going forward, if you want macOS, you’ll get Apple Silicon.
Apple has actually made a pretty impressive first generation Mac SOC. We’re still early in the transition, not everything is available, or optimised for AS yet, but whatever Mac software isn’t, will be. Rosetta won’t stick around forever, so it’s either adapt or give up on Mac.
For the past year Apple Silicon has consistently surpassed my expectations, a trend I expect to continue with my M1 Pro (it has so far). At the end of the day, we should just watch them all battle it out against each other and reap the rewards.
Good for you that you don’t need windows, what a weird reply, read what I said I need macs for my work flow but I also wanna game and we had that before and yes I can stick to it
I game as well but unfortunately Apple is just never going to place the kind of emphasis on gaming that would be required to get the Mac to where you want it to be. I built a gaming PC last year (as my late 2013 15” MBP was not cutting it for what I wanted to play for quite some time) and bought the new 16” a couple of weeks ago. If you want to be in both worlds, I think it’s the best you can do.
Not when people start mentioning 34W along with the fact that M1 is an SOC with GPU, memory and storage.
Has Cinebench been honestly optimized for M1? That might be a little bit like benchmarks purporting to test performance of OpenCl, which is deprecated. so headline is obsolete software does not run very well
It doesn't matter if it's Intel or Apple/AS. People will go where they can run their software, no matter the power efficiency or performance. Software compatibility will be the deciding factor here.
They already did. Apple is transitioning again already, not to a new CPU, they're moving the Mac to the iPad or rather merging them. Lock in everyone in their eco system, even more than now. In 5 to 10 years, it will be all apps for them on their "iBook Pad Pro" or whatever it will be called. That's the market they make their money with, that's where they're good at. As soon as you can hook up some displays to a iPad, work properly with files (something like DevonThink), watch the death of macOS as we know it and with it the death of the Mac. The iMac will become a huge iPad with external keyboard/mouse, the MacBooks will be replaced by iPads/Magic Keyboards. We've already heard rumors about Xcode running on iPads and they're experimenting with 15" iPads.
Here are real -meaning non-emulated- numbers from a thick 17' laptop:
Source: https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-...x-3080-ti-gpu-powered-hp-omen-laptop-spotted/
Source: https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-...x-3080-ti-gpu-powered-hp-omen-laptop-spotted/
OK great, and now please, same tests but then on battery
.I edit on the road so battery life is essential. And speed too. If a machine can sustain its speed on battery then your run to idle is quicker and thus you get more done on a battery. It is not about my CPU is faster than your CPU pissing contest, it is about getting work done. And to get work done in the field, battery life is essential!
Apple has chosen and all the wishing and “If we still had” are irrelevant at this point. If you want an i9-12900K gaming machine start specc’ing one out and begin buying components as you are able. Anything else is simply wishing for things that are *not* going to happen and don’t matter at all.
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Here’s what people are apparently not understanding. There is no threat to Apple Silicon because Apple will never switch back. Even if another company can beat out Apple in performance and power efficiency they won’t simply jump ship on the idea of their own processors and their own control. This is Apple we’re talking about. Until recently they’ve accepted having worse battery life and worse performance of nearly the entire industry in most of their products but they didn’t care because they had the “best experience”. Intel even said that they believe they can win back Apple if they can make better chips than them. It doesn’t matter if they do or don’t, once Apple gains control over their own processors they’re not going to let that go just because Intel or another creates a technically more efficient chip. The only competition Apple Silicon will ever have is the next iteration of that chip. Their devices as a whole will have competition but just their chips will not because there will never be Apple devices with non-Apple processors for the most part.
These scores look very realistic to me as they are in line to what we expected. Of course, the ADL will probably be running at least double the power of M1 here and it will start throttling once you hit any kind of sustained workload.
These two links paint very different pictures. The first must be on battery.
But in seriousness maybe some kind of low power mode? I have no doubt that ADL mobile can beat the Max in performance if given enough juice so we’ll see the wattage it takes to do so.
What would you expect for Intel's next generation? Another jump in performance or same 2-5% YoY improvements like the last five years (except this one)?
Must be. Geekbench is a very short benchmark on these machines, there's no way the multicore performance got split in half due to thermal throttling in that time. Maybe Lenovo just caps the maximum CPU power draw?These two links paint very different pictures. The first must be on battery.