Emulated 12900K for mobile has better performance with low power consumption like M1 Max?

[crazy dave]

Must be. Geekbench is a very short benchmark on these machines, there's no way the multicore performance got split in half due to thermal throttling in that time. Maybe Lenovo just caps the maximum CPU power draw?

Possibly … is the Lenovo a laptop with a known form factor or cooling capacity?

I mean obviously even if this is a current line, they could’ve update the body for a new generation. But still … is it in general a thin laptop?

Edit: One issue: 8GB of DDR4, doesn’t explain a 50% loss but DDR4, and only one stick of it presumably, will cramp the multicore benches

Apparently this will be next Legion gaming laptop so probably lowering the price and emphasizing ST - but still … don’t have to put an i9 for that …

 

[Andropov]

Possibly … is the Lenovo a laptop with a known form factor or cooling capacity?

I don't recognize the listed model name in the GeekBench leak. Lenovo currently has laptops with the 11980HK in the whole range of form factors, so it could be a benchmark from one of the slim versions.

 

[PsykX]

They already did.

Indeed, they did turn this into a huge success so far, especially for a first generation, these are wonderful lineups.

The Alder Lake stats that I see in this thread make Intel look better because of performance - but in reality, they are stuck with such a huge thermals problem. This is hardcore engineering that they've never been able to attain in the last decades, so they won't be able to fix it any time soon. Unplugged laptops will be crippled by a mix of throttling and short battery.

However, Apple CAN have a problem with Apple Silicon if one of the following things happen :
1. They don't ever scale it up with more cores. Thanks to their thermals, Apple Silicon is highly expandable, they need to abuse from this benefit as much as they can. The i9-12900 has 14 cores for example, M1 Pro / Max have only 10. So far, all rumors point towards expanding Apple Silicon as much as they possibly can, so these are great news.
2. They borrow the exact same M1 Pro / M1 Max configurations for the larger iMac. This product is not a laptop : it will be compared against desktop PCs. Especially if they add the "Pro" suffix to this lineup. It will hold well against them, but not spectacularly well. Quite a few desktops will beat it. So far, rumors don't give us a lot of information about this, they just say it's going to be M1 Pro and M1 Max, without knowing if the configuration will be the same.

 

[crazy dave]

I don't recognize the listed model name in the GeekBench leak. Lenovo currently has laptops with the 11980HK in the whole range of form factors, so it could be a benchmark from one of the slim versions.

I looked it up and apparently people are thinking it’s a new Legion gaming laptop with DDR4 memory. I guess it must be throttled and with DDR4 memory to emphasize battery life and ST while reducing cost? But then why an i9? Weird choice if benchmark is accurate so … must be testing a low power mode

My guess is this some preproduction testing that got accidentally posted - the low scores, the 8GB of DDR4, etc … probably testing the chip out in various states and someone forgot to turn off the “send results to Geekbench” button

 

[EPO75]

Well, technically bad news for Apple if Intel really achieve M1 Pro/Max's power efficiency.

Why is this bad news for Apple? Intel has been making CPU’s for a longgg time and is a force to reckon with.
They need to keep developing and keep innovating there, good for them and us.

Why are you always posting these kind negative or doom posts?

 

[Ceed]

Yeah these are just the normal competitive trade-offs like always. Get the Alder Lake laptop for a less refined but more compatible experience, play all your games and do your pro workloads while plugged in. Get the M1 for peak efficiency when you need to often do workloads away from a power source, or are more comfortable in the Mac ecosphere and need their exclusive software.

 

[Jorbanead]

Here’s what people are apparently not understanding. There is no threat to Apple Silicon because Apple will never switch back. Even if another company can beat out Apple in performance and power efficiency they won’t simply jump ship on the idea of their own processors and their own control. This is Apple we’re talking about. Until recently they’ve accepted having worse battery life and worse performance of nearly the entire industry in most of their products but they didn’t care because they had the “best experience”. Intel even said that they believe they can win back Apple if they can make better chips than them. It doesn’t matter if they do or don’t, once Apple gains control over their own processors they’re not going to let that go just because Intel or another creates a technically more efficient chip. The only competition Apple Silicon will ever have is the next iteration of that chip. Their devices as a whole will have competition but just their chips will not because there will never be Apple devices with non-Apple processors for the most part.

Totally agree on this. Apple as a company though is still very much interested in Intel and AMD at least indirectly - as they have compared their Apple Silicon macs to what the rest of the industry is doing. I doubt Apple is ever going to ignore other chip devs as they take pride in being the best whenever possible (just look at iPad and iPhone keynotes as well). But of course Apple’s focus is more on actual workloads their customers are doing and trying to optimize silicon, hardware, and software for those specific workloads.

 

[hefeglass]

I like the way he describes Intels new processors in this video..seems accurate.

 

[Ceed]

Checks all the hyperdramatic YouTube video requirements. All-caps words and an open-mouthed "doh!" thumbnail.

 

[hefeglass]

Checks all the hyperdramatic YouTube video requirements. All-caps words and an open-mouthed "doh!" thumbnail.

..did you make it past the thumbnail?

 

[Ceed]

I would assume it excitedly addresses the great progress Apple is making, and does not take the time to cover the overall industry that also continues to work unabated and has their own projects underway.

 

[hefeglass]

I would assume it excitedly addresses the great progress Apple is making, and does not take the time to cover the overall industry that also continues to work unabated and has their own projects underway.

He points out what the new alder lake CPUs have actually accomplished (nothing) vs the m1 max.
Its very applicable to this thead.

god forbid he shows enthusiasm for apple

 

[BlueandSilver]

Totally agree on this. Apple as a company though is still very much interested in Intel and AMD at least indirectly - as they have compared their Apple Silicon macs to what the rest of the industry is doing. I doubt Apple is ever going to ignore other chip devs as they take pride in being the best whenever possible (just look at iPad and iPhone keynotes as well). But of course Apple’s focus is more on actual workloads their customers are doing and trying to optimize silicon, hardware, and software for those specific workloads.

Right, I think they’ll always acknowledge the competition for sure. But they’ll essentially never jump ship. We can’t think of their processors as a chip anymore, it is in essence a new product line, and once Apple starts a new product like they rarely discontinue it because of the competition, only if one of their other products replaces it. The way they name it and dedicate keynotes to it, it’s more of a product to them.

 

[LyonHelius]

Well, the site is Korean.

Also note the CPU package power being 43.83W in their screenshots. Possibly higher. It is not 35W.

Also we know 12900K will use up to 240W. This site is saying they can use 1/5th the power but lose only 30% the peak performance? That's... wishful.

It's honestly hopeless for Intel. They are using up to 7x more power just to beat the M1 Pro/Max.

Maybe the screenshot is captured on a Korean site, but 极客湾 is a Chinese uploader，don't you see the Chinese character?

 

[Jorbanead]

Right, I think they’ll always acknowledge the competition for sure. But they’ll essentially never jump ship. We can’t think of their processors as a chip anymore, it is in essence a new product line, and once Apple starts a new product like they rarely discontinue it because of the competition, only if one of their other products replaces it. The way they name it and dedicate keynotes to it, it’s more of a product to them.

Yes exactly. That’s also why it’s imo dumb to just quote benchmarks. Intel and AMD just make chips, but Apple makes the whole widget. So when comparing to apple, I feel the best comparisons are in real-world workloads that are optimized for Mac. Intel has been known to “cheat” in the benchmark wars. Apple could care less. Let’s compare an H.265 render time or how many VI’s your DAW can run at once as ultimately those are more important anyways.

 

[arvinsim]

As a customer, I welcome companies one-upping each other.

 

[Ceed]

There will never be a point in history where all other companies are unable to outdo one company and subsequently all give up (and please do not root for this disturbing image, either). What Apple has done here, and what is the more profound act, is their moving of the needle to fully emphasize the performance per watt metric against all else. There will be a response to this, you can be assured.

 

[Serban55]

There will never be a point in history where all other companies are unable to outdo one company and subsequently all give up (and please do not root for this disturbing image, either). What Apple has done here, and what is the more profound act, is their moving of the needle to fully emphasize the performance per watt metric against all else. There will be a response to this, you can be assured.

a response to this when? in 1 year or 30 years? lets hope so...at least in our life span
but for creative, there will be no performance/watt that can compete with finalcut pro, maybe not in our life span

 

[Ceed]

You are correct to say FCP is the most efficient software in terms of power usage, but Hollywood post-production houses are almost exclusively Avid (which is not Apple Silicon native at the moment), not because it's a great editor, but because it has the management tools to facilitate large teams of editors working on one project. So performance per watt is not at all the metric to consider in the professional film industry, but team workflows. If FCP wants to compete with Avid, they need to improve asset management and multi-seat editing when it concerns teams of upwards of 10-20 editors working on a single project together. Until then, pros at the highest level will remain on Avid, and most every TV show and movie you watch is cut with it.

 

[MGrayson3]

Excuse me. Has anyone yet responded "HahahahahaHAHAHAHahah ... (breath) .. HAHAHAHAHahahahahAHAHAH! (wipes eye) Oh my, that's a good one."

 

[hagjohn]

Thoughts?

My thought is... who cares! This is the "Apple Silicon (Arm) Macs" forum, not intel forum. Honestly, all these intel BS posts are off topic.

 

[Serban55]

You are correct to say FCP is the most efficient software in terms of power usage, but Hollywood post-production houses are almost exclusively Avid (which is not Apple Silicon native at the moment), not because it's a great editor, but because it has the management tools to facilitate large teams of editors working on one project. So performance per watt is not at all the metric to consider in the professional film industry, but team workflows. If FCP wants to compete with Avid, they need to improve asset management and multi-seat editing when it concerns teams of upwards of 10-20 editors working on a single project together. Until then, pros at the highest level will remain on Avid, and most every TV show and movie you watch is cut with it.

Not all directors teams are using avid
Zack snyders team uses apple silicon
A lot others are using Maya. But yes , Avid should come, from the team we heard that will place an apple silicon native support in Q2 2022

 

[thedocbwarren]

My thought is... who cares! This is the "Apple Silicon (Arm) Macs" forum, not intel forum. Honestly, all these intel BS posts are off topic.

Must admit I'm a little sick of the "Intel's new blue pants are so much snazzier than Apples jeans." Might as well be as silly.

 

[hagjohn]

Must admit I'm a little sick of the "Intel's new blue pants are so much snazzier than Apples jeans." Might as well be as silly.

Considering it is irrelevant now that intel is no longer on most Macs now. It is all about sowing discontent.

 

[thedocbwarren]

Considering it is irrelevant now that intel is no longer on most Macs now. It is all about sowing discontent.

Agreed, it seems it's all those posts are about. Or some sore of buyer's remorse or something. End of the day they all sound ridiculous and are irrelevant.