End of the iPhone saga, Android taking the lead?

[sk1wbw]

Cool that's not what I said. Those two areas remain significant weaknesses for Mac. Far less support for gaming and enterprise on Mac

So you equate games to capability? There are more games on an Xbox or Playstation than for Windows, so therefore...

I don't equate games to anything, other than games. The amount of games available for one OS versus another means nothing other than the fact that people waste their lives playing games.

 

[gotluck]

So you equate games to capability? There are more games on an Xbox or Playstation than for Windows, so therefore...

I don't equate games to anything, other than games. The amount of games available for one OS versus another means nothing other than the fact that people waste their lives playing games.

I consider gaming a capability yes. Because you don't care it is no longer a capability?

I see you gave up on enterprise, just like apple

 

[sk1wbw]

I consider gaming a capability yes. Because you don't care it is no longer a capability?

I see you gave up on enterprise, just like apple

I've probably been using Apple hardware longer than you've been alive.

 

[gotluck]

I've probably been using Apple hardware longer than you've been alive.

And this makes your point of view more legitimate of course, good sir..

I'm 28 fwiw

 

[Oletros]

So you equate games to capability? There are more games on an Xbox or Playstation than for Windows, so therefore...

I don't equate games to anything, other than games. The amount of games available for one OS versus another means nothing other than the fact that people waste their lives playing games.

You're joking, don't you?

By the way. Do you have any number about Xbox or PS having more games than PS or it is just another made up number of yours?

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I've probably been using Apple hardware longer than you've been alive.

And this relates to his comments exactly how?

Ah, you just don't have a ****ing argument

 

[Truefan31]

Uh we're still talking about iPhone and android here right?

 

[atticus27]

5% of user base?

Are you talking entire user base including china not getting android L?

Or 5% of modern world user base?

It's all relative.

Because most of modern world android buys Samsung and HTC high end devices.

Htc already confirmed M7 and M8 One series will get Android L.

Samsung will likely give Galaxy S4 and S5 android L as well.

That's about 50% of android user base in modern world.

When I had a s3 it took almost a year for samsung and at&t to push out 4.1 update. They'll get the updates, but it'll take 3-9 months for them to push it out to customers.

 

[jrswizzle]

The Today view is what I'm talking about. It's not even close to the information Google Now has. Flights, hotels, real information about what is on my calendar tomorrow instead of just telling me I have four events. I'm talking about real contextual information where Apple is lacking.

I assume that is why they purchased Cue last year, but I've yet to see any impact from that purchase.

I have yet to use ios8, but didn't Apple infuse calendar with Notification Center and Siri to give you upcoming events from your schedule in both contextual and verbal cues? Basically, on par with Google? I could be wrong, so maybe an ios8 beta user can tell us?

Personally, the overall notification system of iOS makes up for whatever NC or the Today view are lacking. I don't need or want flight info in my NC all the time - it appears when I arrive at the airport via my Passbook boarding pass. Any gate changes/delays or updates are relayed through this as well and show up in the NC and on my lock screen.

As far as packages go, I get tracking information in a number of different ways. I have the email notifications, I can get app notifications on my lock screen or in NC.....I don't need something scouring my emails looking for additional information about me. There are plenty of apps that offer relevant info based on my location and preferences. Plus I don't use gmail as my primary email address so I lose some of that functionality.

All-in-all, there's really nothing I get with Google Now on my Nexus 5 that I don't already get with iOS Notifications/Siri. The addition of extensions will only make that even better as various apps will be allowed to add widgets and functions to the NC and other apps taking my preferences and data from those apps and splashing them across various informational sources.

I've never really been all that impressed with Google Now. Its a very accurate voice search (though all it does is bring up Google Results whereas Siri can often bypass showing the results and instead give me the exact info I want) and Kit Kat brought many Siri-like features that made it more of a true personal assistant (reminders, "text ____" or "call ___").

All-in-all though, never really understood the hype. It's great, but nothing truly special at this point.

 

[sk1wbw]

Personally, the overall notification system of iOS makes up for whatever NC or the Today view are lacking. I don't need or want flight info in my NC all the time - it appears when I arrive at the airport via my Passbook boarding pass. Any gate changes/delays or updates are relayed through this as well and show up in the NC and on my lock screen.

As far as packages go, I get tracking information in a number of different ways. I have the email notifications, I can get app notifications on my lock screen or in NC.....I don't need something scouring my emails looking for additional information about me. There are plenty of apps that offer relevant info based on my location and preferences. Plus I don't use gmail as my primary email address so I lose some of that functionality.

All-in-all, there's really nothing I get with Google Now on my Nexus 5 that I don't already get with iOS Notifications/Siri. The addition of extensions will only make that even better as various apps will be allowed to add widgets and functions to the NC and other apps taking my preferences and data from those apps and splashing them across various informational sources.

I've never really been all that impressed with Google Now. Its a very accurate voice search (though all it does is bring up Google Results whereas Siri can often bypass showing the results and instead give me the exact info I want) and Kit Kat brought many Siri-like features that made it more of a true personal assistant (reminders, "text ____" or "call ___").

All-in-all though, never really understood the hype. It's great, but nothing truly special at this point.

As someone with an iPhone, an iPad, and a Nexus 7, I agree. Google Now is hyped and doesn't provide me any more information than than I can get otherwise.

 

[Lloydbm41]

Personally, the overall notification system of iOS makes up for whatever NC or the Today view are lacking. I don't need or want flight info in my NC all the time - it appears when I arrive at the airport via my Passbook boarding pass. Any gate changes/delays or updates are relayed through this as well and show up in the NC and on my lock screen.

As far as packages go, I get tracking information in a number of different ways. I have the email notifications, I can get app notifications on my lock screen or in NC.....I don't need something scouring my emails looking for additional information about me. There are plenty of apps that offer relevant info based on my location and preferences. Plus I don't use gmail as my primary email address so I lose some of that functionality.

All-in-all, there's really nothing I get with Google Now on my Nexus 5 that I don't already get with iOS Notifications/Siri. The addition of extensions will only make that even better as various apps will be allowed to add widgets and functions to the NC and other apps taking my preferences and data from those apps and splashing them across various informational sources.

I've never really been all that impressed with Google Now. Its a very accurate voice search (though all it does is bring up Google Results whereas Siri can often bypass showing the results and instead give me the exact info I want) and Kit Kat brought many Siri-like features that made it more of a true personal assistant (reminders, "text ____" or "call ___").

All-in-all though, never really understood the hype. It's great, but nothing truly special at this point.

I'm hoping that iOS8 infuses email/NC/Siri to give me info similar to what both Cortana and Google Now do. I don't mind if email is reviewed looking for package data to out that in my NC. I love that feature as an Amazon Prime member.
I also like live updates for flights that Google Now gives, but Cortana is actually better and faster (at least it was for me) with updates. Plus, the Live Tile is extremely efficient in this use case.

I will be extremely happy if iOS8 is able to do these sort of cues close to or even on par with GNow and Cortana do them. But I think having better BT connections will probably give me the biggest benefit with ios8 with my Nike and Martian smartwatch accessories.

 

[jrswizzle]

I'm hoping that iOS8 infuses email/NC/Siri to give me info similar to what both Cortana and Google Now do. I don't mind if email is reviewed looking for package data to out that in my NC. I love that feature as an Amazon Prime member.
I also like live updates for flights that Google Now gives, but Cortana is actually better and faster (at least it was for me) with updates. Plus, the Live Tile is extremely efficient in this use case.

I will be extremely happy if iOS8 is able to do these sort of cues close to or even on par with GNow and Cortana do them. But I think having better BT connections will probably give me the biggest benefit with ios8 with my Nike and Martian smartwatch accessories.

I don't understand what the difference is - my American Airlines and UPS/FedEx apps push notifications to my lock screen for these things. Heck, you can get Amazon Prime specific shipment notifications pushed to your lock screen. Not to mention the email that tells me my package has shipped/was delivered is also pushed to my lock screen. Why do I need someone combing through my emails to find this information. That's what apps are for....

The difference is Android doesn't yet have as robust a notification system as iOS does. Though they are looking to remedy that with Android L.

 

[Truefan31]

5% of user base?



Are you talking entire user base including china not getting android L?



Or 5% of modern world user base?



It's all relative.



Because most of modern world android buys Samsung and HTC high end devices.



Htc already confirmed M7 and M8 One series will get Android L.



Samsung will likely give Galaxy S4 and S5 android L as well.



That's about 50% of android user base in modern world.

Question is when are All android phones getting this update? I'm sure it's not day one. Some phones will have to wait months if not longer

 

[Lloydbm41]

I don't understand what the difference is - my American Airlines and UPS/FedEx apps push notifications to my lock screen for these things. Heck, you can get Amazon Prime specific shipment notifications pushed to your lock screen. Not to mention the email that tells me my package has shipped/was delivered is also pushed to my lock screen. Why do I need someone combing through my emails to find this information. That's what apps are for....

The difference is Android doesn't yet have as robust a notification system as iOS does. Though they are looking to remedy that with Android L.

There may not be much of a difference at all with ios8? I don't know? But I'm referring to notifications and updates while the phone is on and in use. I like to expand my updates from a tiny que in the status bar or a pop up to full data found in GNow, Cortana or however ios8 is likely to do it in NC.

I'm really looking forward to learn ios8 and use the new iPhone. I know it is old hat for you and you def know more about iOS than me, so I apologize if it seems like things are getting lost in translation.

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Question is when are All android phones getting this update? I'm sure it's not day one. Some phones will have to wait months if not longer

Material design for Google's Apps get updated nearly instantly. Android OS and Google Apps are independent of each other, so unlike with iOS, you don't have to wait a year to get updates to things like calendar, email, Siri, etc. In fact, material design is already gracing every single Android user that has decided to download the Chrome Beta app.

 

[jrswizzle]

There may not be much of a difference at all with ios8? I don't know? But I'm referring to notifications and updates while the phone is on and in use. I like to expand my updates from a tiny que in the status bar or a pop up to full data found in GNow, Cortana or however ios8 is likely to do it in NC.

I'm really looking forward to learn ios8 and use the new iPhone. I know it is old hat for you and you def know more about iOS than me, so I apologize if it seems like things are getting lost in translation.

Everything I'm talking about is available in iOS 7.

I'm sure the additional flexibility extensions gives will only make this better, but I say iOS 7 Notifications system is better than Google Now.

Whether you're using the device or not.

No worries . Oftentimes it feels like people (not you) unnecessarily bash iOS devices for "not being able to do X" when the reality is they switched platforms 2 years ago and have no clue what the latest iOS is like.

Having used all three, there's really little iOS + high quality apps CAN'T do. iOS 8 will be a major update in its own right from a flexibility standpoint.

 

[robjulo]

As someone with an iPhone, an iPad, and a Nexus 7, I agree. Google Now is hyped and doesn't provide me any more information than than I can get otherwise.

So what will your opinion be when Apple does, at some point, begin including Google Now contextual information. It's the whole reason they bought Cue.

 

[Truefan31]

There may not be much of a difference at all with ios8? I don't know? But I'm referring to notifications and updates while the phone is on and in use. I like to expand my updates from a tiny que in the status bar or a pop up to full data found in GNow, Cortana or however ios8 is likely to do it in NC.



I'm really looking forward to learn ios8 and use the new iPhone. I know it is old hat for you and you def know more about iOS than me, so I apologize if it seems like things are getting lost in translation.

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Material design for Google's Apps get updated nearly instantly. Android OS and Google Apps are independent of each other, so unlike with iOS, you don't have to wait a year to get updates to things like calendar, email, Siri, etc. In fact, material design is already gracing every single Android user that has decided to download the Chrome Beta app.

My question is when a new os like android l comes out for android on it's nexus line, do Samsung, htc, lg, sony, etc get it the same time, or do they have to wait?

 

[Lloydbm41]

My question is when a new os like android l comes out for android on it's nexus line, do Samsung, htc, lg, sony, etc get it the same time, or do they have to wait?

Updates for the OS are made available for OEMs prior to public release. When an OEM decides to update its hardware could take months. And after OEM's finish their update, they hand it over to US carriers, so that they can test the software on their networks, plus add their crapware. This can take several more months.
But this is for OS updates. Google has made all of its Apps independent of the OS updates. So Chrome, GMail, Wallet, etc can be updated continuously. I like this process better.

 

[Truefan31]

Updates for the OS are made available for OEMs prior to public release. When an OEM decides to update its hardware could take months. And after OEM's finish their update, they hand it over to US carriers, so that they can test the software on their networks, plus add their crapware. This can take several more months.

But this is for OS updates. Google has made all of its Apps independent of the OS updates. So Chrome, GMail, Wallet, etc can be updated continuously. I like this process better.

I see. I guess I prefer the iOS way more. Software updates are pushed to pretty much all devices that are compatible, all at once. Us carriers and the addition of their crapware are a big turnoff. I've heard of people having to wait months for an android update on some flagship phones. That to me is ridiculous, and why I prefer the iPhone. Uh aren't apps updated on iOS just the same too?

 

[gotluck]

I see. I guess I prefer the iOS way more. Software updates are pushed to pretty much all devices that are compatible, all at once. Us carriers and the addition of their crapware are a big turnoff. I've heard of people having to wait months for an android update on some flagship phones. That to me is ridiculous, and why I prefer the iPhone. Uh aren't apps updated on iOS just the same too?

Yea this is why you'll find there is a stock android/ carrier free or die android crowd. Certain phones do get quick updates with lack of bloatware. It does suck that you have to do research / avoid certain oems.

 

[Lloydbm41]

I see. I guess I prefer the iOS way more. Software updates are pushed to pretty much all devices that are compatible, all at once. Us carriers and the addition of their crapware are a big turnoff. I've heard of people having to wait months for an android update on some flagship phones. That to me is ridiculous, and why I prefer the iPhone. Uh aren't apps updated on iOS just the same too?

I believe Apple apps that have backend server support for instant updates (I believe Apple Maps works this way) can be updated without you even knowing it has been updated (like new 3D flyovers of cities, fixes to addresses, etc), but I don't recall the core apps like Safari or Newstand getting updated without an OS update.

 

[Oletros]

I don't understand what the difference is - my American Airlines and UPS/FedEx apps push notifications to my lock screen for these things

That you don't need install those apps?

 

[Cod3rror]

I think soon it'll be the end of "high-end, expensive phones as the mainstream" era.

After recently checking it out, I was amazed by how smooth and great Motorola Moto G is. There is no need to have a highest end, premium device to get a good experience, hard to justify a €700 iPhone or a Galaxy, when you can perform the same tasks, with the same speed and smoothness on a €150 device.

IMO, Moto G and Snapdragon 400 SoC marks the first of this transition. It's only going to get faster and cheaper; 2015's Moto G version will most likely pack Snapdragon 410 and 1.5 or 2GB RAM, while retaining the same price.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think people are getting very picky here in order to try and rule one OS to be inferior in comparison to the other. In my view they are both evolving and will introduce new features to satisfy the consumer. The problem is deciding what features benefit the majority? There are people on this thread that have demands that most users have no need for. There are examples where features are missing of course.

Both operating systems have work-arounds for most things and if one has integrated features while the other has apps, so what? They do the job and it is down to us to decide which one we prefer. Its not a competition for us, but a product we've chosen to buy.

 

[sk1wbw]

So what will your opinion be when Apple does, at some point, begin including Google Now contextual information. It's the whole reason they bought Cue.

Well good for Apple, but I probably won't use it. I don't need something like Google Now telling me when to leave the house for work or when to get off the bus. I don't even use the Google app on my iPhone or iPad. It's just spurious information.

 

[gotluck]

Fwiw I have google now disabled and only use it for voice search prompts in the car