End of the iPhone saga, Android taking the lead?

[jrswizzle]

That you don't need install those apps?

Can I shop Amazon in Google Now? Can I book American Airlines flights in Google Now? Can I see my Aadvantage card with points, miles and how close I am to the various status levels? Can I change the delivery method of a package coming via UPS of FedEx?

Those are the reasons why I install the apps. Why I install ANY apps for that matter. The notification information is an assumed secondary with any app I install on my iPhone.

Android = OS does the heavy lifting

iOS = apps do the heavy lifting

And people wonder why/argue over devs preferring iOS to Android.

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I think soon it'll be the end of "high-end, expensive phones as the mainstream" era.

After recently checking it out, I was amazed by how smooth and great Motorola Moto G is. There is no need to have a highest end, premium device to get a good experience, hard to justify a €700 iPhone or a Galaxy, when you can perform the same tasks, with the same speed and smoothness on a €150 device.

IMO, Moto G and Snapdragon 400 SoC marks the first of this transition. It's only going to get faster and cheaper; 2015's Moto G version will most likely pack Snapdragon 410 and 1.5 or 2GB RAM, while retaining the same price.

Already happened pal. Apple's marketshare worldwide is very small and a vast majority of Android's dominance comes from cheap/low-end devices in high population areas like China and India. The evidence came last quarter as Samsung was knocked from the top spot in China.

A majority of Android smartphones sold worldwide are of the low-end variety. It's been that way for a little while now. I expect Apple to basically hover where they are (similar to Mac marketshare) as the people who buy Apple will continue to buy Apple. They've done a great job positioning the entire ecosystem so as to add value to the purchase of an Apple product.

At this point, you either buy the Apple ecosystem or you'll buy a cheap Android smartphone. Guys like Samsung will hurt the most because they've spent so much time on the high-end Androids. HTC and LG will be affected to a lesser degree because they don't have as much to lose (they're already pretty low on the marketshare totem poll).

Though we are beginning to see an increase in processor power and quality in that low end market, as you pointed out with the Moto G.

 

[BlueGoldAce]

Can I shop Amazon in Google Now? Can I book American Airlines flights in Google Now? Can I see my Aadvantage card with points, miles and how close I am to the various status levels? Can I change the delivery method of a package coming via UPS of FedEx?

Those are the reasons why I install the apps. Why I install ANY apps for that matter. The notification information is an assumed secondary with any app I install on my iPhone.

Android = OS does the heavy lifting

iOS = apps do the heavy lifting

And people wonder why/argue over devs preferring iOS to Android.

I don't really agree with you. I am an avid fan of both operating systems.

While iOS may see more polish in its apps, initially, that is offset by an arguably superior operating system in terms of capabilities. One can argue the merits of both all day long.

In terms of app usage...google now does a great job of presenting certain information in a way that makes some apps obsolete...and while this may be true (to the benefit of the consumer), it doesn't mean that the operating system does the heavy lifting, does it?

I mean for the examples you listed above, an app is more useful on both operating systems. I use similar apps on both operating system. Both systems certain around apps. Google' OS just strives to offer a bit more outside the app ecosystem. While iOS is shaped around apps.

Honestly, both systems are great, and both are approaching equilibrium with each other. What is android's big advantage? Price....for less money (nexus, moto x, moto g, etc) one can get a comparable device.

Premium build may be nice, but it isn't singular to apple. With subsidies going to the way side, and consumers paying monthly, or all up front...the iphone's cost will be even more apparent.

Truly, i love both systems. It will be a tough choice this fall between the nexus 6, moto x+1, iphone(s) 6, and maybe even the note 4 (probably too big). But I have the money set aside to choose as I wish. That may not be the case for everyone.

 

[jrswizzle]

I don't really agree with you. I am an avid fan of both operating systems.

While iOS may see more polish in its apps, initially, that is offset by an arguably superior operating system in terms of capabilities. One can argue the merits of both all day long.

In terms of app usage...google now does a great job of presenting certain information in a way that makes some apps obsolete...and while this may be true (to the benefit of the consumer), it doesn't mean that the operating system does the heavy lifting, does it?

I mean for the examples you listed above, an app is more useful on both operating systems. I use similar apps on both operating system. Both systems certain around apps. Google' OS just strives to offer a bit more outside the app ecosystem. While iOS is shaped around apps.

Honestly, both systems are great, and both are approaching equilibrium with each other. What is android's big advantage? Price....for less money (nexus, moto x, moto g, etc) one can get a comparable device.

Premium build may be nice, but it isn't singular to apple. With subsidies going to the way side, and consumers paying monthly, or all up front...the iphone's cost will be even more apparent.

Truly, i love both systems. It will be a tough choice this fall between the nexus 6, moto x+1, iphone(s) 6, and maybe even the note 4 (probably too big). But I have the money set aside to choose as I wish. That may not be the case for everyone.

Ya I understand what you're saying. I get that Android doesn't try to do EVERYTHING. But its always been about doing more than iOS. Apple has always designed iOS to fade into the background. Of course, its better to use apps on both platforms but I feel like the way Apple provides information and data outside apps compliments them more (and puts the onus on the developer to provide said information) while Google is all about gathering more data and completely bypassing apps.

As I said earlier - I use both and like both. But I'm not impressed by Google Now, nor do I think its any more worthwhile than the information parsers I have on iOS. I feel like I get more information in better ways on iOS than via Google Now.

Contextual data really doesn't do anything for me. I know when I need to leave for work. Important information is readily available on my lock screen via a variety of means (NC, Passbook passes) and extensions will only open that up further. Siri just feels more personal - she's more an assistant while Google Now is simply a data aggregator.

 

[Oletros]

Android = OS does the heavy lifting

iOS = apps do the heavy lifting

And people wonder why/argue over devs preferring iOS to Android.

Well, people wonder when someone makes wrong claims like you're doing great.

If you're talking about notification stop talking about other things


It is funny when you bash Android because you don't likebGoogle Now and prefer apps that do the notifications and, at the same time bash Android for not having native lock screen notifications when there are applications that do that.

 

[jrswizzle]

Well, people wonder when someone makes wrong claims like you're doing great.

If you're talking about notification stop talking about other things


It is funny when you bash Android because you don't likebGoogle Now and prefer apps that do the notifications and, at the same time bash Android for not having native lock screen notifications when there are applications that do that.

?.....

I said I didn't need Google Now to give me information already available via apps through NC. You tell me the benefit is that you don't have to install the apps. But then how do I do all the other things those apps let me do?

Does this make sense to anyone else? Usually it seems like you're always a step ahead of people you're in a discussion with....here you're failing.

I'm not "bashing Android". I don't think Google Now is as amazing as people say. I never said I didn't like it. I DO prefer iOS notifications. And I realize there are third party applications (not native) that mimic the effect - but none do so very well (I've researched and tried).

I've also already stated Android L is going to remedy this situation. So I will prefer Android L lock screen notifications to Google Now.

 

[SpoonCody]

The iPhone isn't going anywhere. In fact, now with larger screen options finally, I think the iPhone will be more popular than ever.

I still think Android L and Android OEMs have more exciting offerings, but to think the "iPhone saga" is coming to an end is laughable and statistically inaccurate. iPhones are selling more than ever with each consecutive release. If you really want to predict more accurately, they're only going up, if anything.

 

[Cod3rror]

Can I shop Amazon in Google Now? Can I book American Airlines flights in Google Now? Can I see my Aadvantage card with points, miles and how close I am to the various status levels? Can I change the delivery method of a package coming via UPS of FedEx?

Those are the reasons why I install the apps. Why I install ANY apps for that matter. The notification information is an assumed secondary with any app I install on my iPhone.

Android = OS does the heavy lifting

iOS = apps do the heavy lifting

And people wonder why/argue over devs preferring iOS to Android.

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Already happened pal. Apple's marketshare worldwide is very small and a vast majority of Android's dominance comes from cheap/low-end devices in high population areas like China and India. The evidence came last quarter as Samsung was knocked from the top spot in China.

A majority of Android smartphones sold worldwide are of the low-end variety. It's been that way for a little while now. I expect Apple to basically hover where they are (similar to Mac marketshare) as the people who buy Apple will continue to buy Apple. They've done a great job positioning the entire ecosystem so as to add value to the purchase of an Apple product.

At this point, you either buy the Apple ecosystem or you'll buy a cheap Android smartphone. Guys like Samsung will hurt the most because they've spent so much time on the high-end Androids. HTC and LG will be affected to a lesser degree because they don't have as much to lose (they're already pretty low on the marketshare totem poll).

Though we are beginning to see an increase in processor power and quality in that low end market, as you pointed out with the Moto G.

The power increase in the low market and hence a much better experience is exactly what I'm talking about. There have been cheap Android phones for quite a while now, but the experience was terrible on them.

Moto G (Snapdragon 400) marks the point where you don't need to buy an expensive phone to get a great experience.