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Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
But...but...think of the children!

It will stunt their growth...or something!:eek:

No, my thoughts are that it will serve to accelerate it, if anything.

Actually, if encouraged…….or, at the very least, not discouraged, even quite young children can acquire a taste for such things, surprisingly young.

I remember from a very, very young age (we are talking around age five or so) deeply inhaling and simply adoring the scent of coffee (ground coffee in a wonderful round tin with a screw on top - this was the height of sophistication in a country where instant was the norm). The owner of the coffee was a man who had worked for years in Canada as an engineer and had acquired a taste for Certain Good Things In Life; he married a woman who was a classmate and good friend of my mum's, and, for a few short years, they lived next door to us. They had no problem with my sampling this stuff; I suspect that they may have been amused (that I wasted to try this real coffee) - and surprised (that I actually liked it). Actually, I remember my amazement that this real coffee took a (good) bit longer to make than the [instant] stuff I had seen made.

I have always disliked tea, soft drinks, ice cream, most sweets (especially that abomination known as milk chocolate), and loved grapefruit, cooking apples, almost all fruit, dark chocolate,……and um, coffee. And this from an early age…..

So, yes, I repeat, introduce them young; occasionally, just occasionally, a youngster's taste buds will be open to the idea of sampling something strange and exciting… especially if it smells great, as good coffee usually does...
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
I think the shaking is caused not by a caffeine addiction, but instead by the fact that he/she/it appears to be drinking, at times, a white coffee made from burned beans purchased from you know who.

An entirely credible explanation, to my mind.

Now, all I need to address is the question of why Amazon thought that a purchase of the La Marzocco GS3 was something that I would find of interest…...
 

Kurwenal

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Now, all I need to address is the question of why Amazon thought that a purchase of the La Marzocco GS3 was something that I would find of interest…...

You know, I have assiduously avoided pushing the mind-blowing GS/3 on you.....but sometimes things are just right. Right?

(Or, Google Ads has you cornered....but I prefer the universal karma explanation.)
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
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In a coffee shop.
You know, I have assiduously avoided pushing the mind-blowing GS/3 on you.....but sometimes things are just right. Right?

(Or, Google Ads has you cornered....but I prefer the universal karma explanation.)

The "Universal Karma explanation". Right…...

Hm. I think that you may be suggesting that somewhere in my horoscope, future, worktop, (notwithstanding an already shuddering credit card) a ("mind-blowing") La Marzocco, GS/3 may be written, or destined, or, even acquired.…….have I got that……right?

Re Google ads, they very often get it splendidly, completely, spectacularly wrong. Occasionally, however, they do manage to strike a………chord.

We shall see……..but you may take it that my interest in this objet d'art is definitely piqued…..to put it mildly….


 
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powerslave12r

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After about 4 pots using the Baratza Virtuoso 586 grinder (settings: 15, 20, 20, 20), I can say without exaggeration that my life has changed.

I see the light. I went in to the new grinder experience thinking it would be alright and all that. I couldn't believe how much of a difference it made!

I could actually taste all the subtle flavors SweetMaria's lists on their coffee packages.

First sip and I was blown away. And the coffee is consistently smooth.

I feel like my whole life has been a lie. I repeat, this is no exaggeration. I wasn't prepared for this much of a jump in quality.

I can absolutely not wait to have some more experience with this grinder and I absolutely cannot wait to try out the new Coffee Machine coming in tomorrow!

If anyone's on the fence regarding spending on a grinder, my advice is do it. Just do it.

Thank you all here for the advice and the constant "motivation." :D
 

Shrink

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Feb 26, 2011
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After about 4 pots using the Baratza Virtuoso 586 grinder (settings: 15, 20, 20, 20), I can say without exaggeration that my life has changed.

I see the light. I went in to the new grinder experience thinking it would be alright and all that. I couldn't believe how much of a difference it made!

I could actually taste all the subtle flavors SweetMaria's lists on their coffee packages.

First sip and I was blown away. And the coffee is consistently smooth.

I feel like my whole life has been a lie. I repeat, this is no exaggeration. I wasn't prepared for this much of a jump in quality.

I can absolutely not wait to have some more experience with this grinder and I absolutely cannot wait to try out the new Coffee Machine coming in tomorrow!

If anyone's on the fence regarding spending on a grinder, my advice is do it. Just do it.

Thank you all here for the advice and the constant "motivation." :D

So good to hear!:D

This is the exact same reaction everyone has when they first try grinding their own. Pre-ground just can't be as fresh as grinding your own and using it immediately. The Law of 15s says...ground coffee is good for 15 minutes before it starts to go stale (Kurwneal would say three seconds...but we all know he's certifiable!:p). All of a sudden you suddenly UNDERSTAND! It's an epiphany! So THIS is coffee!

I love it when that happens...it's so much fun when one of our denizens has such a wonderful experience. And, as you said, now you understand why we're all such a pain in the butt constantly urging folks to grind their own.

Enjoy, Mate!:D
 

S.B.G

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Sep 8, 2010
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After about 4 pots using the Baratza Virtuoso 586 grinder (settings: 15, 20, 20, 20), I can say without exaggeration that my life has changed.

I see the light. I went in to the new grinder experience thinking it would be alright and all that. I couldn't believe how much of a difference it made!

I could actually taste all the subtle flavors SweetMaria's lists on their coffee packages.

First sip and I was blown away. And the coffee is consistently smooth.

I feel like my whole life has been a lie. I repeat, this is no exaggeration. I wasn't prepared for this much of a jump in quality.

I can absolutely not wait to have some more experience with this grinder and I absolutely cannot wait to try out the new Coffee Machine coming in tomorrow!

If anyone's on the fence regarding spending on a grinder, my advice is do it. Just do it.

Thank you all here for the advice and the constant "motivation." :D

Congratulations! I'm so super happy for you! You essentially wrote the same experience I had over a year ago when I got into this thing with both feet! :D

It truly is astounding the difference it makes grinding your own and brewing fresh, right there on the spot.

I really am elated and have a feeling of satisfaction knowing that you've found the grass greener on this side! :)
 

powerslave12r

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Sep 19, 2010
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So good to hear!:D

This is the exact same reaction everyone has when they first try grinding their own. Pre-ground just can't be as fresh as grinding your own and using it immediately. The Law of 15s says...ground coffee is good for 15 minutes before it starts to go stale (Kurwneal would say three seconds...but we all know he's certifiable!:p). All of a sudden you suddenly UNDERSTAND! It's an epiphany! So THIS is coffee!

I love it when that happens...it's so much fun when one of our denizens has such a wonderful experience. And, as you said, now you understand why we're all such a pain in the butt constantly urging folks to grind their own.

Enjoy, Mate!:D

I agree! Although I must point out that I did grind my beans earlier, just that I used a bottom rung blade grinder. And I would have fought tooth and nail defending that grinder (of almost 5 years) had I not made myself a pot with the Baratza Virtuoso before commenting :D.

But yes, when I went from ground to grinding my own, that was a big step. This step, going from an throwaway blade grinder to a precision burr, is an equally giant leap in my experience.

Congratulations! I'm so super happy for you! You essentially wrote the same experience I had over a year ago when I got into this thing with both feet! :D

It truly is astounding the difference it makes grinding your own and brewing fresh, right there on the spot.

I really am elated and have a feeling of satisfaction knowing that you've found the grass greener on this side! :)

Thanks! I'd like to throw in roasting your beans (once again :D) alongside grinding fresh and brewing, in the equation you mentioned.

Can't wait to try out the Bonavita BV1800. It comes in tomorrow!! No sleep. :D


EDIT: This was my grinder until now: http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-IDS55-4-Grinder-White/dp/B00005OTXN. Goodbye old friend, you served me well.
 

S.B.G

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I agree! Although I must point out that I did grind my beans earlier, just that I used a bottom rung blade grinder. And I would have fought tooth and nail defending that grinder (of almost 5 years) had I not made myself a pot with the Baratza Virtuoso before commenting :D.

But yes, when I went from ground to grinding my own, that was a big step. This step, going from an throwaway blade grinder to a precision burr, is an equally giant leap in my experience.



Thanks! I'd like to throw in roasting your beans (once again :D) alongside grinding fresh and brewing, in the equation you mentioned.

Can't wait to try out the Bonavita BV1800. It comes in tomorrow!! No sleep. :D


EDIT: This was my grinder until now: http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-IDS55-4-Grinder-White/dp/B00005OTXN. Goodbye old friend, you served me well.

Maybe someday I'll get into roasting, but it's not on the list of things to do anytime soon. I live in an apartment and the exhaust of smoke would be an issue I'm not willing to tackle living where I do.
 

powerslave12r

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Sep 19, 2010
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Maybe someday I'll get into roasting, but it's not on the list of things to do anytime soon. I live in an apartment and the exhaust of smoke would be an issue I'm not willing to tackle living where I do.

Ah yes, I've often wondered that myself, what would I do without a back porch. I wonder what the fancy coffee makers have to offer in terms of chaff disposal.
 

Shrink

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Feb 26, 2011
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Ah yes, I've often wondered that myself, what would I do without a back porch. I wonder what the fancy coffee makers have to offer in terms of chaff disposal.

Chaff disposal is no problem at all with my roaster. The issue is that I have to run an exhaust hose out the kitchen window (my stove hood does not vent outside). It's not a problem, but it is a necessity with my roaster.

Mine is a drum/air hybrid, and the chaff is blown into a collection chamber which is emptied after each roast...very easy process.
 

powerslave12r

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Sep 19, 2010
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Chaff disposal is no problem at all with my roaster. The issue is that I have to run an exhaust hose out the kitchen window (my stove hood does not vent outside). It's not a problem, but it is a necessity with my roaster.

Mine is a drum/air hybrid, and the chaff is blown into a collection chamber which is emptied after each roast...very easy process.

Cool. Thanks for that bit of info. I'll keep that in mind if the need comes to it.
 

Kurwenal

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Jun 27, 2012
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We shall see……..but you may take it that my interest in this objet d'art is definitely piqued…..to put it mildly….


Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie,
Which we ascribe to heaven: the fated sky
Gives us free scope, only doth backward pull
Our slow designs when we ourselves are dull.

:)

I feel like my whole life has been a lie.

No, gentle powerslave12r. Not a lie. Just.....not grounded. :p



C

Mine is a drum/air hybrid, and the chaff is blown into a collection chamber which is emptied after each roast...very easy process.

Same here. My HotTop has a little chaff tray that sits under the drum and collects about 97% of the chaff. The machine forces you to empty the tray after each batch. Nifty.
 

mobilehaathi

macrumors G3
Aug 19, 2008
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The Anthropocene
After about 4 pots using the Baratza Virtuoso 586 grinder (settings: 15, 20, 20, 20), I can say without exaggeration that my life has changed.

I see the light. I went in to the new grinder experience thinking it would be alright and all that. I couldn't believe how much of a difference it made!

I could actually taste all the subtle flavors SweetMaria's lists on their coffee packages.

First sip and I was blown away. And the coffee is consistently smooth.

I feel like my whole life has been a lie. I repeat, this is no exaggeration. I wasn't prepared for this much of a jump in quality.

I can absolutely not wait to have some more experience with this grinder and I absolutely cannot wait to try out the new Coffee Machine coming in tomorrow!

If anyone's on the fence regarding spending on a grinder, my advice is do it. Just do it.

Thank you all here for the advice and the constant "motivation." :D

Welcome, now your checking account officially hates you. :p
 

powerslave12r

macrumors 6502a
Sep 19, 2010
702
149
our remedies oft in ourselves do lie,
which we ascribe to heaven: The fated sky
gives us free scope, only doth backward pull
our slow designs when we ourselves are dull.

:)



no, gentle powerslave12r. Not a lie. Just.....not grounded. :p





same here. My hottop has a little chaff tray that sits under the drum and collects about 97% of the chaff. The machine forces you to empty the tray after each batch. Nifty.

welcome, now your checking account officially hates you. :p

lol
 

Kurwenal

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Jun 27, 2012
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Hey El Shrinko, someone is writing articles about you (read to the bottom).

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An entirely credible explanation, to my mind.

Now, all I need to address is the question of why Amazon thought that a purchase of the La Marzocco GS3 was something that I would find of interest…...

Steady, Scepticalscribe......

At the just-completed SCAA 2014 trade show, La Marzocco took that prestige factor to the next level by commissioning a series of customized GS/3s from Pantechnicon, the brand of machine modder, engineer and designer extraordinaire Jacob Ellul-Blake.
 

Shrink

macrumors G3
Feb 26, 2011
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Hey El Shrinko, someone is writing articles about you (read to the bottom).

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Steady, Scepticalscribe......

It is true that my fame has spread far and wide...but I'll still try to be nice to all the little people (Billy Barty) who I stepped on while on the way up!:cool:

So, "customization" is necessary to get wooden handles on the on GS/3, huh. My cheapy piece of junk has wooden joy stick handles, wooden lever handle, and wooden PF handle. When you're paying $7K for a machine, you might expect wooden handles to be stock equipment!:rolleyes:
 
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Kurwenal

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Jun 27, 2012
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you might expect wooden handles to be stock equipment!:rolleyes:

You woodist! (is that a word?)

______

If someone out there is looking for an entry-level grinder and abolutely cannot spend more than $149.40, this is a pretty good deal. All of us could poke many holes in that grinder, but for that price it's worth considering. I typically would shy away from refurbished, but WLL has a great reputation and you might just give them a call and ask what has been refurbished (the burrs?). Reviews here.
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,192
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In a coffee shop.
Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie,
Which we ascribe to heaven: the fated sky
Gives us free scope, only doth backward pull
Our slow designs when we ourselves are dull.

:)



………...

Alright. I admit it. Poetry gets me every time…….

You, Mr Kurwenal, are clearly a man of taste, refinement and class…..

Hey El Shrinko, someone is writing articles about you (read to the bottom).

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Steady, Scepticalscribe......

Sigh……...It is not often that I find myself writing the words 'exquisitely sweet' and the word 'intense and utter agony' in the same sentence, about the same thing, or, for that matter, find myself in the position where I feel each of these emotions at the same time with equal intensity.
 

Kurwenal

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Jun 27, 2012
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You, Mr Kurwenal, are clearly a man of taste, refinement and class…..

Much obliged.

Sigh……...It is not often that I find myself writing the words 'exquisitely sweet' and the word 'intense and utter agony' in the same sentence, about the same thing, or, for that matter, find myself in the position where I feel each of these emotions at the same time with equal intensity.

That describes pretty much every ristretto I pull......;)
 

S.B.G

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I see you now have an avatar Mr. Kurwenal. It's a bit too small for me to read; what piece is it of?
 

Kurwenal

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I see you now have an avatar Mr. Kurwenal. It's a bit too small for me to read; what piece is it of?

Ah, yes, thank you for noticing. It is the opening measure from my favorite part of my favorite opera, Tristan and Isolde, where Tristan implores the night to last forever:

O night of rapture, rest upon us,
Lift our lives’ remembrance from us.

The second act of this opera is pretty much one long love duet between Tristan and Isolde. Tristan implores the night not to end because he knows that when the sun comes up, he will probably be killed and, well, he is in love with Isolde anyway. When warned by his trusty servant named, hey, there is it: Kurwenal, that the king approaches and Tristan has been betrayed by Sir Melot, Tristan responds: "Let me die here! Let the day to death surrender!"

This being a Wagnerian opera, Tristan and Isolde do eventually die, but not until the next act.

I just realized that there is no coffee in this opera. Well, there should be. Maybe the love potion in the opera is actually coffee.....hmmm.
 

S.B.G

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Ah, yes, thank you for noticing. It is the opening measure from my favorite part of my favorite opera, Tristan and Isolde, where Tristan implores the night to last forever:

O night of rapture, rest upon us,
Lift our lives’ remembrance from us.

The second act of this opera is pretty much one long love duet between Tristan and Isolde. Tristan implores the night not to end because he knows that when the sun comes up, he will probably be killed and, well, he is in love with Isolde anyway. When warned by his trusty servant named, hey, there is it: Kurwenal, that the king approaches and Tristan has been betrayed by Sir Melot, Tristan responds: "Let me die here! Let the day to death surrender!"

This being a Wagnerian opera, Tristan and Isolde do eventually die, but not until the next act.

Fascinating; I've not heard that one before. I'll have to go look it up for a listen.
 
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