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Ahhh yes; as soon as I started to read your post, and introduction of the video, I instantly knew of which video it was. Yet, I was still compelled to click on it and watch with mesmerizing admiration of the slow-motion video of an espresso shot from, what appears to be, one of the finest espresso machines available. That is such a cool video!

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In case anyone is interested, I just looked at Sweet Maria's page and they did a roast two days ago of the famed Liquid Amber and it's still in stock.

Damn. Tempted again. And succumbed again…….and ordered again……

But thank you for bringing this to my attention…..
 

Kurwenal

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Holy smokes. I guess I need another cup this morning :D

This is a variant of the “forgot the attachment” email disease ... :eek:

http://david-smith.org/blog/2014/05/22/my-travel-coffee-kit/

(also updated the original post)

That is an interesting travel kit, and similar to mine. I have never been a huge fan of the Hario grinders, so I opt for a Porlex instead. The recently acquired Lido 2 is a far superior grinder, but too large for travel.

Like his, the heart of my travel kit is the AP. I prefer a FP, actually, but the AP makes more sense for travel and with a disc instead of paper filters approaches a FP.

What I have never found is a decent travel kit for espresso. Tried pretty much everything out there. No joy.

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Damn. Tempted again. And succumbed again…….and ordered again……

But thank you for bringing this to my attention…..

See, SandboxGeneral IS the tempting devil.
 

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That is an interesting travel kit, and similar to mine. I have never been a huge fan of the Hario grinders, so I opt for a Porlex instead. The recently acquired Lido 2 is a far superior grinder, but too large for travel.

Like his, the heart of my travel kit is the AP. I prefer a FP, actually, but the AP makes more sense for travel and with a disc instead of paper filters approaches a FP.

What I have never found is a decent travel kit for espresso. Tried pretty much everything out there. No joy.

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See, SandboxGeneral IS the tempting devil.


Yes!

See, I'm not the only one who blames SBG for everything!:p
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
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That is an interesting travel kit, and similar to mine. I have never been a huge fan of the Hario grinders, so I opt for a Porlex instead. The recently acquired Lido 2 is a far superior grinder, but too large for travel.

Like his, the heart of my travel kit is the AP. I prefer a FP, actually, but the AP makes more sense for travel and with a disc instead of paper filters approaches a FP.

What I have never found is a decent travel kit for espresso. Tried pretty much everything out there. No joy.



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See, SandboxGeneral IS the tempting devil.

Poor, SBG, all the gentleman does is try to be his usual helpful, positive and supportive self……

Now, I have ordered, purchased, and paid for that Lido grinder, (it had yet to be manufactured, let alone dispatched, when I ordered it sometime in June), and I must admit that I am looking forward to making its acquaintance fairly soon, whenever I next get home, if it has arrived before me...
 

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Poor, SBG, all the gentleman does is try to be his usual helpful, positive and supportive self……

Now, I have ordered, purchased, and paid for that Lido grinder, (it had yet to be manufactured, let alone dispatched, when I ordered it sometime in June), and I must admit that I am looking forward to making its acquaintance fairly soon, whenever I next get home, if it has arrived before me...

My..my...it seems manual grinders are enjoying a resurgence!:p

I'm sure you will be thrilled with your new grinder...whenever it arrives!:D
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
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Sure, sure, blame me for everything! I can take it, I have big, proverbial, shoulders.

It takes a man of rare strength to carry the weight and woes and wishes of the world on his shoulders, my friend.

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My..my...it seems manual grinders are enjoying a resurgence!:p

I'm sure you will be thrilled with your new grinder...whenever it arrives!:D

Well, given the proselytising and evangelical fervour with which burr grinders are promoted on this very thread, one (this one) felt sufficiently moved to slip, discreetly, and ever so slightly, out of my comfort zone, and try one out, just to see what all of the fuss and fervour is about. This is not (yet, anyway) about a successful conversion; I shall merely try the device (ever so attractive though it is) out, and also try the ensuing coffee………and see if I can taste a discernible difference…..

The fact that it is manual is almost beside the point, as long as it is easy to use, does not require the strength of Hercules, and is an attractive object. An even greater attraction, to my eye, is the fact that it is hand made, looks exquisitely crafted, and has been manufactured by one of those small businesses that I am rather partial to.

Besides, I spent quite some time in the Balkans in the 1990s and beyond,and they have the most charming small, hand-held grinders (made from copper, if I recall correctly); one of my interpreters gave me one as a farewell gift, once; a beautiful object, but one I never got around to using.

This may well be set to change…...
 

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It takes a man of rare strength to carry the weight and woes and wishes of the world on his shoulders, my friend.

Indeed!

He is a man of great physical and emotional strength!

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Kurwenal

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Question: what is the thickest espresso you have ever had/made? I mean a proper shot, just very thick (not something improperly made to enhance the thickness).

I ask only because that Moka Kadir Blend from SM.......the crema is not the thickest, but the body might be.
 

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Question: what is the thickest espresso you have ever had/made? I mean a proper shot, just very thick (not something improperly made to enhance the thickness).

I ask only because that Moka Kadir Blend from SM.......the crema is not the thickest, but the body might be.

Thus far, Moka Kadir has the heaviest and thickest mouth feel of any espresso I've ever made. I'm about to start a batch in about an hour, roasted just a bit darker (Vienna) than my first batch. This batch was roasted on 8/7...

As I've mentioned, I like it so much I will be adding it to my regular rotation...I've just ordered several pounds from SM.

BTW: I didn't find the crema lacking...
 

Kurwenal

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Not suggesting the crema was lacking, it's just not thicker than most espressos, while the body definitely is.

It's an interesting coffee. I will be interested to hear how you like the darker roast. I suspect you will like it better.

I have grown tired of Liquid Amber and have switched back to NCE. I think the MK will be fun to play with, but it won't become my staple, but I want to try it in the Bialetti. I'll bet it will be very intriguing gurgling out of the top of that.
 

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Not suggesting the crema was lacking, it's just not thicker than most espressos, while the body definitely is.

It's an interesting coffee. I will be interested to hear how you like the darker roast. I suspect you will like it better.

I have grown tired of Liquid Amber and have switched back to NCE. I think the MK will be fun to play with, but it won't become my staple, but I want to try it in the Bialetti. I'll bet it will be very intriguing gurgling out of the top of that.

Since I had that 8 pound "bonus" box of beans, I haven't been doing my usual rotation (I AM a wild man!:cool:), so I haven't had an Liquid Amber for a while. I miss it, and will be doing a roast tomorrow, which will probably be the LA.

The first Moka Kadir roast was a Full City+, so this batch is just a bit darker.
 

Kurwenal

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Since I had that 8 pound "bonus" box of beans, I haven't been doing my usual rotation (I AM a wild man!:cool:), so I haven't had an Liquid Amber for a while. I miss it, and will be doing a roast tomorrow, which will probably be the LA.

The first Moka Kadir roast was a Full City+, so this batch is just a bit darker.

I think the MK alone qualifies you as a wild man.....it is unusual (in a good way).

For the past year or so, my three coffee rotation (for espresso) has been:

1. LA.
2. Donkey Blend.
3. The "try it for the hell of it slot," which usually is one of the SM workshops or I have been working my way through the entire catalog of Blue Bottle already-roasted stuff.

LA just isn't cutting it any more, so I switched back to NCE. I wish SM still made the Classic Italian blend that they dropped a few years ago. If your mystery box turns up anything interesting, lemme know.....
 
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I think the MK alone qualifies you as a wild man.....it is unusual (in a good way).

For the past year or so, my three coffee rotation has been:

1. LA.
2. Donkey Blend.
3. The "try it for the hell of it slot," which usually is one of the SM workshops or I have been working my way through the entire catalog of Blue Bottle already-roasted stuff.

LA just isn't cutting it any more, so I switched back to NCE. I wish SM still made the Classic Italian blend that they dropped a few years ago. If your mystery box turns up anything interesting, lemme know.....

My rotation has been...
1. LA
2. New Classic Espresso Blend
3. Espresso Monkey Blend

You've mentioned Donkey Blend before...I might have to give that a try since you seem to like it, and I respect your taste. (Yeah...you taste good...ba da boom!). I like coffee that is very declarative, and I'm assuming that Donkey Blend fits that description.

I'll probably drop 2 or 3 out of the rotation and add Moka Kadir.

I don't know about all this change...we compulsives crave sameness!:eek:
 

Kurwenal

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My rotation has been...
1. LA
2. New Classic Espresso Blend
3. Espresso Monkey Blend

You've mentioned Donkey Blend before...I might have to give that a try since you seem to like it, and I respect your taste. (Yeah...you taste good...ba da boom!). I like coffee that is very declarative, and I'm assuming that Donkey Blend fits that description.

I'll probably drop 2 or 3 out of the rotation and add Moka Kadir.

I don't know about all this change...we compulsives crave sameness!:eek:

Full disclosure: if I were not under dr's orders to, uh, increase my intake of decaf (which orders were given about 18 months ago), I would not include Donkey Blend on my list. But, for anyone interested in decaf, Donkey is the best I have ever found.

For decaf drip (and even espresso, frankly), Decaf Noir is freakishly good. Really good. I actually enjoy it.......

I agree with you on change. But, to be honest, and perhaps you will have to bill me for this, since I came "back" to espresso following treatment, I have not been enjoying it as much as I used to. Now, I was warned about changes to my tastes, which apparently are fairly common in my circumstances, but I just have not been enjoying espresso as much as I used to. So, Liquid Amber gets the blame!
 

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Full disclosure: if I were not under dr's orders to, uh, increase my intake of decaf (which orders were given about 18 months ago), I would not include Donkey Blend on my list. But, for anyone interested in decaf, Donkey is the best I have ever found.

For decaf drip (and even espresso, frankly), Decaf Noir is freakishly good. Really good. I actually enjoy it.......

I agree with you on change. But, to be honest, and perhaps you will have to bill me for this, since I came "back" to espresso following treatment, I have not been enjoying it as much as I used to. Now, I was warned about changes to my tastes, which apparently are fairly common in my circumstances, but I just have not been enjoying espresso as much as I used to. So, Liquid Amber gets the blame!

I would bet that the change in gustatory experience is due to a change in olfaction...since smell is about 80% of "taste" (only sweet, sour, salt, bitter, and umami are "mouth" tastes), I'll guess that your sense of smell may be altered...I hope temporarily!

OR

It's all Liquid Amber's fault!

I didn't realize Donkey Blend was decaf...I'll pass on that. I don't question that it's good stuff, but I do enjoy the small jolt I get from the caffeine.
 

Kurwenal

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Yes, poor, beaten Liquid Amber....

So I am told, chemo causes taste changes that usually reverse in about 8 weeks. Radiation to the head causes changes to the sense of smell, so you nailed that one. I am told it can take up to one year for these changes to return to normal, and often they do not ever completely reverse.

Dear god. Do you suppose that thread on Caffe Mocha caught my interest because of the post-treatment taste changes? Maybe now I actually would prefer a SB Caffe Mocha in the morning instead of a freshly roasted and perfectly pulled ristretto? Am I at risk of having to remove myself from this thread and go post instead in the "I love k-cups" thread?

:eek::eek::eek:
 

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Yes, poor, beaten Liquid Amber....

So I am told, chemo causes taste changes that usually reverse in about 8 weeks. Radiation to the head causes changes to the sense of smell, so you nailed that one. I am told it can take up to one year for these changes to return to normal, and often they do not ever completely reverse.

Dear god. Do you suppose that thread on Caffe Mocha caught my interest because of the post-treatment taste changes? Maybe now I actually would prefer a SB Caffe Mocha in the morning instead of a freshly roasted and perfectly pulled ristretto? Am I at risk of having to remove myself from this thread and go post instead in the "I love k-cups" thread?

:eek::eek::eek:

Unless the radiation turned you brain to fudge, the dysnosmia (change in olfaction) will not cause you to become devoid of taste (take that word in both senses)!

The Cafe Mocha thread caught all of us because it's about COFFEE...and we cannot resist totally taking over any thread even distantly related to the that subject. If you find that that you are looking for SB Mocha Ca-Ca instead of a perfect ristretto, that is a sign of total craziness, not to be blamed on your treatment.

I take PayPal payments...:D
 

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Yes, poor, beaten Liquid Amber....

So I am told, chemo causes taste changes that usually reverse in about 8 weeks. Radiation to the head causes changes to the sense of smell, so you nailed that one. I am told it can take up to one year for these changes to return to normal, and often they do not ever completely reverse.

Dear god. Do you suppose that thread on Caffe Mocha caught my interest because of the post-treatment taste changes? Maybe now I actually would prefer a SB Caffe Mocha in the morning instead of a freshly roasted and perfectly pulled ristretto? Am I at risk of having to remove myself from this thread and go post instead in the "I love k-cups" thread?

:eek::eek::eek:

Most certainly not! Even if your tastes are changed forever - let's hope not - your vast knowledge of the subject of coffee is always welcome here and more importantly, we know that your heart is in the right place, even if your taste buds are not! #
 

Carlanga

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Cool thread,
I have a DeLonghi EC702 15-Bar-Pump Espresso Maker, I know is not a super high end machine, but gets it done well and is mosstly for guests because I don't drink coffee, but tea most of the time. I use the Panarello wand to make my frothed almond milk though. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001CNG7RY/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Quick questions for you masters of espresso: :cool:
I have a Pannarello wand on my machine (I think that is the name, see amz link)
1) How many would recommend to get a thermometer, I just remove now based on how hot is under the milk SS pitcher.
2) I don't drink reg milk, but when my fam comes visit they use cows milk, so which one is better to get properly frothed, 2%, fat free, or regular? I found the 2% wasn't giving me the best frothing when they came a few months back and was wondering if reg would be better. I use almond milk for my frothing and turns great and has better consistency for latte art, etc than the 2%. Is this an issue due to it being a Pannarello wand? The milk rolls and everything.
 

Scepticalscribe

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Well, let's hope not. :p



Well, just remember, I used to be one of you! I wonder if I can come up with something to help me get the ristretto mojo back......

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Kurwenal, my friend, I am truly sorry to learn that your sense of taste (and smell) - and thus, your ability to enjoy a cup of ristretto - have been profoundly affected as a result of your treatment; this is a consequence that I would never have expected, or known about but for this thread. Actually, I am shocked……this is a serious form of deprivation.

However, I do think that the agonisingly beautiful picture of the (exquisite, desirable) La Marzocco machine should perhaps, compensate, a little - maybe just a little - for this. This ranks - almost - as a form of sadism, to offer further such temptation to me…..


 

Kurwenal

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Cool thread,
I have a DeLonghi EC702 15-Bar-Pump Espresso Maker,

Welcome!
Quick questions for you masters of espresso: :cool:
I have a Pannarello wand on my machine (I think that is the name, see amz link)
1) How many would recommend to get a thermometer, I just remove now based on how hot is under the milk SS pitcher.

I am not a huge fan of white coffee, but I'll try to answer. I'm all about data and repeatable processes, and a thermometer is cheap (you may have one in your kitchen already, used for grilling meat or baking), so, at first, why not? Or, perhaps you have been frothing for many years and no longer need a thermometer. If you use a metal frothing pitcher, the general rule is to stop frothing when the pitcher gets uncomfortable in your hand. Milk scalds, as I recall, at 180 and starts to taste bad (proteins are breaking down) at 160. Be careful!
2) I don't drink reg milk, but when my fam comes visit they use cows milk, so which one is better to get properly frothed, 2%, fat free, or regular? I found the 2% wasn't giving me the best frothing when they came a few months back and was wondering if reg would be better. I use almond milk for my frothing and turns great and has better consistency for latte art, etc than the 2%. Is this an issue due to it being a Pannarello wand? The milk rolls and everything.

I have never tried to froth almond milk, so I can't help you there.

There are furious debates in some coffee forums about which type of milk is best. The real answer, I think, is: froth what you like. I had a wand like yours on a Gaggia machine once. It has little air holes in it that make frothing easier (not automatic, as some claim, just easier).

Whole milk will be more creamy tasting, but also has more calories, obviously.

Skim (non fat) milk is less creamy tasting, but has fewer calories, and is the better choice if you like a lot of foam.

A lot of people think 2% is a nice compromise between calories, amount of foam, and taste.

Here is a video I recalled seeing a while back. It's actually not that helpful, it's just cool to see all of the different types of milk lined up together.

Kurwenal, my friend, I am truly sorry to learn that your sense of taste (and smell) - and thus, your ability to enjoy a cup of ristretto - have been profoundly affected as a result of your treatment; this is a consequence that I would never have expected, or known about but for this thread. Actually, I am shocked……this is a serious form of deprivation.

However, I do think that the agonisingly beautiful picture of the (exquisite, desirable) La Marzocco machine should perhaps, compensate, a little - maybe just a little - for this. This ranks - almost - as a form of sadism, to offer further such temptation to me…..



Heh heh. I have been holding off on pictures so as not to promote temptation on the thread. So, here's a reason to dislike the GS/3: it is awfully, awfully heavy. :D

Thank you for your kinds words. The recovery overall goes well and I find my current ability to drink only one ristretto each morning more of a curiosity than an annoyance. As with so many things, time will tell. The year 2014, more than anything else, has been a lesson in what matters and what does not matter. Despite my love of and fascination for the bean, it sits comfortably on the "does not matter" side of life.

I have a similar ongoing reaction to wine. The wine cellar sits, unused. But, like an old friend, it will wait, patiently, for my return.

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PS: where's friend mobilehatthi been? Do you suppose he switched over to Diet Coke?
 
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