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Thanks for all the help guys. i am looking something easy for my wife to use for her early morning coffee and through out the day. and she has to take care of 2 small kids so she uses it a lot. ha

I think you're probably looking for a good drip machine rather than getting into making espresso. While I say this with in enormous hesitation, there are those, how shall I say this politely, wretched machines like Nespresso. When used properly they will make a really bad, stale, cup of hot brown stuff.

Rather than aim at making espresso, you could aim at making a really good cup of drip coffee. As with all coffee production methods (drip, pour over, French press, or espresso) making a good cup of coffee requires high quality, extremely fresh, beans… and a good grinder. If you get some excellent beans and the grinder that I recommended, you can make an excellent cup of coffee very conveniently with a good drip machine.

Considering what you're looking for, and your situation, while a pour over or French press is a possibility, I think the easiest route to making terrific coffee very conveniently would be a drip machine using freshly ground beans.

You might want to look at this drip machine. Bonavita makes excellent equipment which I use.
 
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Does your wife want something that makes coffee - good coffee - or espresso?

There is a big difference.

And, espresso machines themselves differ enormously in how much they demand from the person using them. Some are fully automatic, some manual, and some are semi-automatic.

They require differing levels of expertise, dedication and concentration and control. (And tend to allow for differing levels of distraction; even when grinding beans and preparing coffee for my French Press - which is about the most forgiving and idiot proof method there is for making coffee - I don't want company, unless it is extremely congenial. Small children, loud adults and/or muddled elders are not welcome in my kitchen when I am cooking, reading, or preparing coffee.)

She loves her cappuccino in the morning we have a espresso machine now that is pretty easy and she can froth Milk. But after using it and we have used up our supply of coffee from Italy she started grinding beans with a cheap grinder and we can tell the difference.
 
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As far as the need for dark roast beans in espresso goes… I think it is generally agreed that espresso should be the strongest and most bold coffee possible. Everything I have read, and all of my personal experience, leads me to the opinion that only a dark roast makes a good espresso. I suppose that one could use a medium roast bean, but I would not. Being strong and bold does not, by any means, mean bitter. But it does mean that it is a small, powerful, intense shot of coffee. There is, of course, absolutely nothing wrong with putting in some sugar if that is what one wishes. While I am a purist and only drink coffee black and unsweetened, it certainly does not suggest that there aren't very many people who enjoy excellent espresso with some sugar in it.

Fascinating, and I take your point.

However, in recent months, I have noticed that some of the uber-hip and seriously 'cool' places which either roast their own beans, or tend to have arrangements with small specialist roasters to supply freshly - or, very recently - roasted coffee beans, tend to make really strong, bitter espresso.

The sort that puckers your mouth, rather than just burning your tongue.

Now, these places don't have stale beans, - that is a point of pride - but they do seem to have absorbed the lesson that strong means overwhelming and exceedingly bitter (and, in a country where the coffee used to be tasteless and insipid, this probably counts as progress of a sort).

In this context, I am writing as someone who actually likes bitter and sour flavours; I start most days with a mix of freshly squeezed grapefruit, orange and lemon juice, but the current preference - or fashion - for overpowering and exceedingly bitter espresso does serve to lessen my pleasure.

Well, it is nothing that a spot of brown sugar won't cure.


As far as the beans go… there are some beans that take well to dark roasting, while others do not. It is my impression that the Ethiopian beans that you enjoy take best to a light, or possibly even medium roast. There are other beans (many Central and South American beans) which take very well to dark roasting and make excellent espresso.

Agreed.

So, then, a query: I understand perfectly that Ethiopian coffee (and both brothers have become aficionados of the Ethiopian coffee I serve) - indeed, it was our mutual friend, @Kurwenal, who, on this very thread who helped to steer my tastes in that direction - does not take to a full roast readily.

However, what beans, when fully roasted - offer a smooth, and sweet taste? Strong and bold I still like, but only as long as it is smooth and somewhat sweet as well, smooth being the operative word above all. Strong, bold, bitter and 'harsh' is a combination I now realise that I have come to not much care for.


Nothing pleases me more than helping someone who wishes to learn about making espresso, but I think it is only fair to be honest and say that learning the skills necessary to make a really good espresso requires a certain insane passion and is not easy. Whether it is "extremely difficult" or not is, to me, a matter of definition. But to be fair, let's just say the process is time consuming and...ah... not easy.o_O

Oh, dear.

'Insane passion'? These very words make me deeply uneasy.

I don't have the time, the capacity for concentration, or the energy to offer 'insane passion' to anything in the morning, not even saving the world, if that was on the agenda.

I suppose I am saying that if you - or anyone - makes it sound too difficult - a great many people will decide that life is too short to torture themselves in vain pursuit of impossible perfection.

Anyway, - as an aside - I will say that I am very glad you talked me out of even thinking of buying a La Pavoni (manual) machine over three years ago.

Attention to detail and taking genuine delight in the (partial and complete) mastery of new skills is one thing; 'insane passion' quite another.

Actually, I cannot think of a single area of my life that brings to mind that idea of 'insane passion' these days; for that matter, passion is so bloody exhausting, and the young (who have passion in abundance but can sometimes be said to lack perspective, taste and experience) are welcome to it.

... And potentially expensive! :confused:

But, well worth it, wouldn't you say, @SandboxGeneral?
 
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She loves her cappuccino in the morning we have a espresso machine now that is pretty easy and she can froth Milk. But after using it and we have used up our supply of coffee from Italy she started grinding beans with a cheap grinder and we can tell the difference.

Get a good grinder...it's really essential. You can look at the first post in this thread for suggestions on where you can buy good coffee beans.

I use the following vendors, but there are many others that can be used...

Highwire.com
Dessertoasis.com
Intelligentsia.com
Atomicafe.com
Barringtoncoffee.com
 
Fascinating, and I take your point.

However, in recent months, I have noticed that some of the uber-hip and seriously 'cool' places which either roast their own beans, or tend to have arrangements with small specialist roasters to supply freshly - or, very recently - roasted coffee beans, tend to make really strong, bitter espresso.

The sort that puckers your mouth, rather than just burning your tongue.

Now, these places don't have stale beans, - that is a point of pride - but they do seem to have absorbed the lesson that strong means overwhelming and exceedingly bitter (and, in a country where the coffee used to be tasteless and insipid, this probably counts as progress of a sort).

In this context, I am writing as someone who actually likes bitter and sour flavours

I will say though, that when a shot is pulled properly, the bitterness is less noticeable, and I speak this from personal experience of making my own on the various machines over the years. Some beans, and their roasts also have an effect on the bitterness, and like you, I don't like overwhelming bitterness. The dark roasts from the Dessert Oasis and Intelligentsia I have recently used haven't turned out overly bitter, to me anyhow.

Now when I had that cheap $80 De Longhi and used the same Black Cat beans from Intelligentsia, I recall them being very bitter and almost disgusting. Now I am using, or were using, since I just ran out, the same beans today and my tasting experience is vastly different. The combination of much improved skills on my part and high quality equipment have made a difference in the taste.

These days, when I'm looking for a bean, I try to lean towards the ones that talk about a sweetness to their tasting notes, which should ensure a far less bitter experience, at least that's my hope.

But, well worth it, wouldn't you say, @SandboxGeneral?

Without a doubt.
 
I will say though, that when a shot is pulled properly, the bitterness is less noticeable, and I speak this from personal experience of making my own on the various machines over the years. Some beans, and their roasts also have an effect on the bitterness, and like you, I don't like overwhelming bitterness. The dark roasts from the Dessert Oasis and Intelligentsia I have recently used haven't turned out overly bitter, to me anyhow.

Now when I had that cheap $80 De Longhi and used the same Black Cat beans from Intelligentsia, I recall them being very bitter and almost disgusting. Now I am using, or were using, since I just ran out, the same beans today and my tasting experience is vastly different. The combination of much improved skills on my part and high quality equipment have made a difference in the taste.

These days, when I'm looking for a bean, I try to lean towards the ones that talk about a sweetness to their tasting notes, which should ensure a far less bitter experience, at least that's my hope.



Without a doubt.

Very interesting, and I can well see that puling the shot properly can make a difference, as can technique and equipment.

Yes, agreed, when I first used Intelligentsia I was very struck by how very good some of their coffee was, which is why I recommended them here on this thread.

And, like you, - even when not shopping for Ethiopian coffee - the tasting notes I look for these days are, firstly, 'smooth', and secondly, 'sweet'. The words 'full bodied flavour' come next, as do other tasting preferences.
 
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Very interesting, and I can well see that puling the shot properly can make a difference, as can technique and equipment.

Yes, agreed, when I first used Intelligentsia I was very struck by how very good some of their coffee was, which is why I recommended them here on this thread.

And, like you, - even when not shopping for Ethiopian coffee - the tasting notes I look for these days are, firstly, 'smooth', and secondly, 'sweet'. The words 'full bodied flavour' come next, as do other tasting preferences.

And I, on the other hand, look for bitter, used diesel oil, and donkey hoof in the tasting notes.

De gustibus non est disputandum.
 
And I, on the other hand, look for bitter, used diesel oil, and donkey hoof in the tasting notes.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Bat droppings, @Shrink, bat droppings, you forgot those. Distilled scent of Llama wool, too.

But thank you for the Latin - a spot of classical learning is always a welcome sight on these threads, and it does my (bespectacled) eyes good to see it, sniff it, and richly savour it (pretty much like a good espresso).
 
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Bat droppings, @Shrink, bat droppings, you forgot those. Distilled scent of Llama wool, too.

But thank you for the Latin - a spot of classical learning is always a welcome sight on these threads, and it does my (bespectacled) eyes good to see it, sniff it, and richly savour it (pretty much like a good espresso).

Aaaah...that you so much for the reminder of bat droppings. How could I forget!

I must say I only prefer a subtle hint of distilled scent of llama wool in the finish. Too much tends to put me off...I'm sure that you understand.
 
Aaaah...that you so much for the reminder of bat droppings. How could I forget!

I must say I only prefer a subtle hint of distilled scent of llama wool in the finish. Too much tends to put me off...I'm sure that you understand.

But the unmistakeable scent of - wet llama wool - wet from that fine misty - those almost microscopic droplets of incessant rain - that one finds in regions of the high Altiplano - bestows a certain je ne sais quoi to the flavour of coffee beans from these very regions.

But, yes, I do understand and quite take your point: Such scents must be invoked sparingly lest they overpower the flavour of the coffee completely.
 
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But the unmistakeable scent of - wet llama wool - wet from that fine misty - those almost microscopic droplets of incessant rain - that one finds in regions of the high Altiplano - bestows a certain je ne sais quoi to the flavour of coffee beans from these very regions.

But, yes, I do understand and quite take your point: Such scents must be invoked sparingly lest they overpower the flavour of the coffee completely.

Clearly a woman of discerning good taste. Such a pleasure to share important tasting notes with one with such a delicate palate.
 
But it cannot be argued that you are not hugely enjoying this wonderful new purchase.....or that a grin does not light up your features when your eye falls on the brand new, gleaming, Expobar - primed and ready for espresso action - when you stumble into the kitchen early in the morning blearily rubbing sleep from your eyes.....(maybe I am telling my own tale here, for I am not a morning person, perhaps you are....)

Anyway, I am of the firm opinion that one's quality of life matters, too.
Yes, most indeed this was the case this morning. I don't have to work this week, except for tomorrow when I must travel to Lansing, the Michigan capitol, for some work-related training that is only offered tomorrow, so I slept in this morning. 6 am is a long time for me when I am used to waking up at 4 am.

Stumbling into the kitchen, rubbing sleep from my eyes, and focusing on a single destination, the Expobar power switch was the goal. A grin may not have been physically on my face, but rest assured their was a grin in my mind as the reflective stainless steel gleaned with brilliance when I flipped on the light.

Here's to a good day of coffee!
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Yes, most indeed this was the case this morning. I don't have to work this week, except for tomorrow when I must travel to Lansing, the Michigan capitol, for some work-related training that is only offered tomorrow, so I slept in this morning. 6 am is a long time for me when I am used to waking up at 4 am.

Stumbling into the kitchen, rubbing sleep from my eyes, and focusing on a single destination, the Expobar power switch was the goal. A grin may not have been physically on my face, but rest assured their was a grin in my mind as the reflective stainless steel gleaned with brilliance when I flipped on the light.

Here's to a good day of coffee!
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Fantastic post, and I hugely enjoyed reading it and making that early morning stumbling journey to the kitchen with you (in my mind). Yes, I can well imagine laying eyes on that thing, gleaming and brilliant, and beautifully constructed, and just smiling to myself.

And the coffee looks just great, what a gorgeous crema. I can only assume that you thoroughly enjoyed it.
 
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I enjoyed it so much that I just made a second cup!

Well done, you!

I have just prepared two mugs of coffee (Ethiopian, naturally), once of myself, and one for the gardener (female, terrific, and coffee mad) - we drank them together and had a good chat - who came at my bidding to murder weeds, trim, clip, prune, tidy up and generally put some shape on the garden which was in danger of acquiring jungle growth habits in the moist and warm conditions of the long days of high summer which are incredibly conducive to good garden growth.

Mother was a creative and gifted gardener, and derived huge solace from our quite magnificent garden after the death of my father. Every year until this summer, she would have out tinkering, or just sitting in the midst of it all, enjoying it. This year, she is housebound. But the garden looks amazing.
 
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...glutton...

:rolleyes:

Ah.

Is there such a thing as too much coffee? Or too much espresso?

I will admit that when I worked in central Asia, in a striking illustration of the (economics) law of diminishing returns - the consumption of my sixth or seventh cup of coffee of the day lacked the enjoyment of the first.

But a second cup of coffee? No. That still ranks as pure pleasure.
 
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Ah.

Is there such a thing as too much coffee? Or too much espresso?

I will admit that when I worked in central Asia, in a striking illustration of the (economics) law of diminishing returns - the consumption of my sixth or seventh cup of coffee of the day lacked the enjoyment of the first.

But a second cup of coffee? No. That still ranks as pure pleasure.

Well...I might have to agree as I just finished my second (large) cup of press coffee - the Intelligentsia El Diablo beans.
 
Ah.

Is there such a thing as too much coffee? Or too much espresso?

I will admit that when I worked in central Asia, in a striking illustration of the (economics) law of diminishing returns - the consumption of my sixth or seventh cup of coffee of the day lacked the enjoyment of the first.

But a second cup of coffee? No. That still ranks as pure pleasure.
In the past lying awake at 3 in the morning would tell me yes there is a thing as too much coffee!
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Well...I might have to agree as I just finished my second (large) cup of press coffee - the Intelligentsia El Diablo beans.
Double glutton? :D
 
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The OE Lido grinder was put through its paces this morning as I made a pot (French Press) of Ethiopian coffee to have with Other Brother and he, earlier, has used it to make a cup (of coffee) for himself.

Anyway, the coffee was quite lovely.
 
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I just placed an order for some coffee. Along with my already favored Intelligentsia El Diablo Dark Roast, my current super favorite Atomic Cafe Diesel Dark Roast, I'm going to try Atomic Cafe Black Velvet Dark Roast.

As I am wonderfully impressed with the Diesel beans, I thought that I would try one of the same vendor's other dark roast beans. These are a slightly lighter dark roast, but I am so impressed with Atomic Cafe's product that I thought I would try another of their blends.

Will report back after I have had a chance to try them, probably in a week or so.
 
Later this week, I must phone and order some more coffee. Ethiopian; I am debating seeing what Whittards have to say for themselves.

But first, some tweaking of bank accounts: The Economist wrote to me to remind me that the renewal of my subscription falls due soon as it is due to expire in eight weeks.

So, first call on dwindling (until replenished) funds - The Economist or fresh coffee?
 
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Later this week, I must phone and order some more coffee. Ethiopian; I am debating seeing what Whittards have to say for themselves.

But first, some tweaking of bank accounts: The Economist wrote to me to remind me that the renewal of my subscription falls due soon as it is due to expire in eight weeks.

So, first call on dwindling (until replenished) funds - The Economist or fresh coffee?

Are you kidding!? :eek:

The Economist will just tell you about some essential news regarding the state of the world.o_O

Fresh coffee will contribute to the essential excellence of your daily life.:)

The choice is obvious…

:rolleyes:
 
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