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I find it a bit ironic that Apple seems to be more at odds with the EU than with China. For real - I don't see Apple being punished as harshly by Chinese regulators.
Because Apple just accept all things china says straight away & changes it without much fight
 
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Apple is not a monopoly in any of the markets they compete in. In almost every market from smartphones, to tablets, to computers, they only have a small % of the market share.
Google is a monopoly in search engines. Microsoft is a monopoly in computer OS, and so on. Android has a large market share on smartphones. Spotify has over 50% market share in EU. If you claim Apple is a monopoly because it controls its own ecosystem, then you don't understand what a monopoly is.
Apple broke the rules in the EU & that’s the problem.
 
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I find it a bit ironic that Apple seems to be more at odds with the EU than with China. For real - I don't see Apple being punished as harshly by Chinese regulators.
I don't see what's ironic about that, it's not even surprising. Which organisation would you expect to be more interested in consumer protection and maintaining competitive markets (which let's not forget are the basis of capitalism) - the EU or the CCP?
 
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There are more land or store owners than you or Walmart.

And it doesn’t cost a consumer hundreds of dollars to switch from Walmart to another supermarket for their purchases tomorrow.
There are more phones and App Stores than Apple's.

It would cost me thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, for me to switch to a different automobile manufacturer. Does that make Stellantis a monopolist? Or is your second point irrelevant?
 
The EU is so damn stupid. If that **** comes to the US, Target will have to tell customers they can purchase things for less at Walmart.
 
There are more phones and App Stores than Apple's.

It would cost me thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, for me to switch to a different automobile manufacturer. Does that make Stellantis a monopolist? Or is your second point irrelevant?
The cost to switch away from iOS to Android is not just the cost of the phone. The cost of switching car manufacturers is just the cost of the car.
 
$2 billion is a lot of cheddar. While I am a believer of openness on where apps can be installed from (like the Macintosh framework), I have to wonder if Apple will eventually consider stopping business in the EU as there is the potential for these massive fines.

Apple is in business to make money so they will need to decide going forward.

Rather than just pulling out, they should just pass along all the cost they are incurring.
 
Which begs to question why Spotify is even complaining. And what the problem "is". They don't have to offer any means of payment on the platform. And still get every cent they feel they are due.

You will have to ask Spotify, but the fact that they are as keen to offer a more convenient way to let people sign up as Apple is keen to prevent even the slightest hint of any other payment option that isn't its own suggests that there is a problem.

If we focus on the iPhone/iOS/iPadOS. This was the terms of the agreement. I understand they don't like it anymore. But, those are the terms. As the device only ever had 1 way to get an App on it. Or, you could create a web app for nothing.

The general principle is that agreements cannot undermine legal requirements. It doesn't matter how long the status quo has persisted, if it violates the law it's not permitted.

Also what do you mean they don't like it "anymore." Lots of companies have always only begrudgingly accepted the status quo.

They don't have to. As they don't have to be on the platform at all. We don't have to have Apple make iPhones. Can't force them to make it. They "Apple" choose to make them. And they created the rules everyone was following for many years now. It wasn't onerous to anyone, and you don't have to develop for Apple. A choice many developers make when not making an application for say the Mac OS. If a developer has a choice to or not make something for the platform. Then Apple should have the right to pick and choose as well.

Apple: if you want to sell your app on my iPhone, you pay X.
Dev: But what if I don't want to pay you X?
Apple: Then you can't sell on my platform. But, if you make it a free App. You're all good. Or web app.
Dev: Well, that's not fair. I should have the right to sell on any platform I want, and make 100% from it.
Apple: Ok, put your game on my platform. I have a right to your games you sell on other platforms.
Dev: I will not make enough money to justify it, not enough people buy games on Mac.
Apple: So you want full access to me, but I can't have full access to you?
Dev: Well, yeah.
Apple: ...... no. You don't want to lose money, and neither do I. Let's agree to disagree.

Very ruff analogy.

An analogy for what? Why should Apple have any kind of role in choosing which services a developer should offer on their platform on the back of anti-steering provisions?


Apple isn't monetizing you. They are monetizing the developer. You did pay for the device. And again, you could potentially never need to use the store other than to update the default apps. They are charging the developers, they are not charging you anything more. They are providing you as a customer an easy way to get apps securely and efficiently. While allowing developers to provide those apps to you. You paid much on the hardware and OS side, developers pay on the APIs and everything that goes into making this system work for both Apple and devs. And only if they actually charge for the app or IAP. Otherwise, it's $99 a year.

I was responding to a post that said developers should have to pay for "access" to Apple users, which is nonsense and treats apple users as some kind of asset Apple is entitled to monetise. But as I said, I've already paid good money for the device and I don't belong to Apple.

If I choose their store, then yes by all means they should be able to profit from that. We will see if the DMA is effective in creating a situation where there's an actual possibility for competition.
 
Is that because Spotify are paying money to Apple and Google though? Genuine question, I dunno what deal they have.
No. They don't pay Apple anything (other than the standard developer fee.) Spotify pays artists less per stream because they offer so many free streams. They pay based on a percentage of their revenue. (I think 70-75% of their revenue goes to the music industry.)
 
Spotify launched its service before the smartphone era. How big would their business be if they had limited their app to desktop/laptop operating systems and not branched out to smartphones?
Spotify was originally a web wrapper on iOS with some low level C bindings to make it talk to the iOS media APIs. I don't know if it still is, but in a world where they used a webapp, I don't think that the differences wouldn't be as stark as you think they would be (if that makes sense).

But even then, the app store is just a wall for Spotify, as they already had the app distribution, update mechanism, payment processing, and security in place.
 
No. They don't pay Apple anything (other than the standard developer fee.) Spotify pays artists less per stream because they offer so many free streams. They pay based on a percentage of their revenue. (I think 70-75% of their revenue goes to the music industry.)
Ah, they're on that "readers" deal?
 
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True but Apple is getting sued for this. It won’t be a viable strategy long term.
Nah. They aren't suing. Th EU has decided that it's better to skip a trial and go right to the verdict and punishment.
 
The EU is so damn stupid. If that **** comes to the US, Target will have to tell customers they can purchase things for less at Walmart.

No, it's more like allowing HP to advertise on/in their product packaging (found at Target and Walmart stores) that customers can buy ink at hp.com. This sort of thing already happens in the U.S.
 
The cost to switch away from iOS to Android is not just the cost of the phone. The cost of switching car manufacturers is just the cost of the car.
Not true. You can switch to Android simply by buying a new phone. You're now on Android. Done!

Now, if you want to have the same apps on Android as you had on your phone, you may need to buy them again. But that's true with the car, as well: If you upgraded the suspension, wheels, engine, exhaust, tires, stereo, etc., you'll need to repurchase those items for your new vehicle. Heck, you're not going to move your gas over to the new vehicle, either!
 
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