Yes.…which, particularly for a music streaming app that may want to run in the background, is a significantly worse experience.
So pay for a better one. Idk, just a thought.
Yes.…which, particularly for a music streaming app that may want to run in the background, is a significantly worse experience.
Because Apple just accept all things china says straight away & changes it without much fightI find it a bit ironic that Apple seems to be more at odds with the EU than with China. For real - I don't see Apple being punished as harshly by Chinese regulators.
What's the commodity or service? Is it smartphones? Operating systems? Apps? App Stores? It doesn't have a monopoly over any of those.
Apple broke the rules in the EU & that’s the problem.Apple is not a monopoly in any of the markets they compete in. In almost every market from smartphones, to tablets, to computers, they only have a small % of the market share.
Google is a monopoly in search engines. Microsoft is a monopoly in computer OS, and so on. Android has a large market share on smartphones. Spotify has over 50% market share in EU. If you claim Apple is a monopoly because it controls its own ecosystem, then you don't understand what a monopoly is.
I don't see what's ironic about that, it's not even surprising. Which organisation would you expect to be more interested in consumer protection and maintaining competitive markets (which let's not forget are the basis of capitalism) - the EU or the CCP?I find it a bit ironic that Apple seems to be more at odds with the EU than with China. For real - I don't see Apple being punished as harshly by Chinese regulators.
There are more phones and App Stores than Apple's.There are more land or store owners than you or Walmart.
And it doesn’t cost a consumer hundreds of dollars to switch from Walmart to another supermarket for their purchases tomorrow.
The cost to switch away from iOS to Android is not just the cost of the phone. The cost of switching car manufacturers is just the cost of the car.There are more phones and App Stores than Apple's.
It would cost me thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, for me to switch to a different automobile manufacturer. Does that make Stellantis a monopolist? Or is your second point irrelevant?
$2 billion is a lot of cheddar. While I am a believer of openness on where apps can be installed from (like the Macintosh framework), I have to wonder if Apple will eventually consider stopping business in the EU as there is the potential for these massive fines.
Which begs to question why Spotify is even complaining. And what the problem "is". They don't have to offer any means of payment on the platform. And still get every cent they feel they are due.
If we focus on the iPhone/iOS/iPadOS. This was the terms of the agreement. I understand they don't like it anymore. But, those are the terms. As the device only ever had 1 way to get an App on it. Or, you could create a web app for nothing.
They don't have to. As they don't have to be on the platform at all. We don't have to have Apple make iPhones. Can't force them to make it. They "Apple" choose to make them. And they created the rules everyone was following for many years now. It wasn't onerous to anyone, and you don't have to develop for Apple. A choice many developers make when not making an application for say the Mac OS. If a developer has a choice to or not make something for the platform. Then Apple should have the right to pick and choose as well.
Apple: if you want to sell your app on my iPhone, you pay X.
Dev: But what if I don't want to pay you X?
Apple: Then you can't sell on my platform. But, if you make it a free App. You're all good. Or web app.
Dev: Well, that's not fair. I should have the right to sell on any platform I want, and make 100% from it.
Apple: Ok, put your game on my platform. I have a right to your games you sell on other platforms.
Dev: I will not make enough money to justify it, not enough people buy games on Mac.
Apple: So you want full access to me, but I can't have full access to you?
Dev: Well, yeah.
Apple: ...... no. You don't want to lose money, and neither do I. Let's agree to disagree.
Very ruff analogy.
Apple isn't monetizing you. They are monetizing the developer. You did pay for the device. And again, you could potentially never need to use the store other than to update the default apps. They are charging the developers, they are not charging you anything more. They are providing you as a customer an easy way to get apps securely and efficiently. While allowing developers to provide those apps to you. You paid much on the hardware and OS side, developers pay on the APIs and everything that goes into making this system work for both Apple and devs. And only if they actually charge for the app or IAP. Otherwise, it's $99 a year.
Is that because Spotify are paying money to Apple and Google though? Genuine question, I dunno what deal they have.They pay more to music artists than Spotify do.
They don’t. They want to live off the money spent by both for free.Is that because Spotify are paying money to Apple and Google though? Genuine question, I dunno what deal they have.
No. They don't pay Apple anything (other than the standard developer fee.) Spotify pays artists less per stream because they offer so many free streams. They pay based on a percentage of their revenue. (I think 70-75% of their revenue goes to the music industry.)Is that because Spotify are paying money to Apple and Google though? Genuine question, I dunno what deal they have.
Spotify was originally a web wrapper on iOS with some low level C bindings to make it talk to the iOS media APIs. I don't know if it still is, but in a world where they used a webapp, I don't think that the differences wouldn't be as stark as you think they would be (if that makes sense).Spotify launched its service before the smartphone era. How big would their business be if they had limited their app to desktop/laptop operating systems and not branched out to smartphones?
Or a fifth of a non existent car.$2 billion is r&d on projects like Apple Vision Pro.
Ah, they're on that "readers" deal?No. They don't pay Apple anything (other than the standard developer fee.) Spotify pays artists less per stream because they offer so many free streams. They pay based on a percentage of their revenue. (I think 70-75% of their revenue goes to the music industry.)
They don’t. They want to live off the money spent by both for free.
What a fantastically stupid idea. That'll be a fun one to explain to the Board & shareholders.:Time for Apple to abandon the EU and their shakedowns.
More like without any fight. Xi says jump, Tim says how high.Because Apple just accept all things china says straight away & changes it without much fight
Nah. They aren't suing. Th EU has decided that it's better to skip a trial and go right to the verdict and punishment.True but Apple is getting sued for this. It won’t be a viable strategy long term.
From what I gather it’s quite complicated but the headline figures are here.Is that because Spotify are paying money to Apple and Google though? Genuine question, I dunno what deal they have.
No they won't and that's a laughably absurd take.The EU is so damn stupid. If that **** comes to the US, Target will have to tell customers they can purchase things for less at Walmart.
The EU is so damn stupid. If that **** comes to the US, Target will have to tell customers they can purchase things for less at Walmart.
Not true. You can switch to Android simply by buying a new phone. You're now on Android. Done!The cost to switch away from iOS to Android is not just the cost of the phone. The cost of switching car manufacturers is just the cost of the car.