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Even Non-jailbeakers Can (and Should) Get Their 3GS' SHSH "On-file"

This is not supposed to be a thread about the relative merits of jailbreaking and not jailbreaking. In fact, this thread isn't about jailbreaking at all! It's a tutorial on how non-jailbreakers can preserve the ability to restore their phones to 3.1.3 even when Apple starts refusing to sign it after the next release. That is all.

There are clear reasons why this is advisable: it provides a safeguard against bugs and unwanted feature changes in future releases, and it will makes your phone more valuable at resale. Because these benefits are real and could be very significant, and because there is not a single disadvantage to doing so, I stand by my opinion that everyone, regardless of jailbreak status, should get their SHSH on file.

Again, this has nothing to do with jailbreaking.

Small White Car: there is no reason that jailbreakers should not upgrade to iTunes 9.1. I don't know where you got that idea, but your information is simply incorrect.
 
Small White Car said:
It's in the new iTunes (the one that you shouldn't use if you're jailbroken). It has the option of making music files smaller when they copy to the phone. (Photos already do this automatically on everyone's phones, same as before.) No change to videos.




And none of that matters if I like those 2 or 3 Apple features I'd be losing and I don't care about the 50 features jailbreaking would give me. (Made up numbers, but you get my point.)

Ok, so Jailbreaking has a bigger number, but if it's all stuff I don't care about it doesn't matter how many of them there are? I still won't care.

Again, not saying one is better. I'm just saying that we each make choices based on what is important to us. Nothing more than that.

What I'm arguing against is the idea that I don't Jailbreak because I want to have Apple's control over me. No, I just don't care about JB features. Nothing more than that.
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Well put.
I understand what you're saying.
 
Quick question @ thelatinist:

So I save my SHSH locally, do I need to know where umbrella stored it or is umbrella used during the restore process and it will know?
 
Applejuiced said:
Well put.
I understand what you're saying.
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Heh, I disagree.

What I'm arguing against is the idea that I don't Jailbreak because I want to have Apple's control over me. No, I just don't care about JB features. Nothing more than that.
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You may choose to believe you are not allowing control by Apple, but you are inadvertently accepting such limitation regardless where you place the priority of certain feature.

Something as simple as changing the font of my text is limited by Apple, and the basis of overlooking such limitation is accepting the control.
 
CocoaPuffs said:
Heh, I disagree.


You may choose to believe you are not allowing control by Apple, but you are inadvertently accepting such limitation regardless where you place the priority of certain feature.

Something as simple as changing the font of my text is limited by Apple, and the basis of overlooking such limitation is accepting the control.
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What if I don't want to change my font? What if i don't want to install themes? What if I am happy with the features the iPhone has?

I used to jailbreak, I have no problem with it. I know what is available and what I can do with it. I just decided it's not worth it.
 
anjinhamarota said:
What if I don't want to change my font? What if i don't want to install themes? What if I am happy with the features the iPhone has?

I used to jailbreak, I have no problem with it. I know what is available and what I can do with it. I just decided it's not worth it.
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Like I said, overlooking limitations regardless where you place the priority of these limitation is accepting the control.
 
Thelatinist- can you please just change the title of the thread so the two anti-jailbreakers can stop arguing for argument's sake?
 
CocoaPuffs said:
Like I said, overlooking limitations regardless where you place the priority of these limitation is accepting the control.
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It's not accepting limitations, it's having different needs. I'm not big on customization (I rarely even change my wallpaper), I installed Backgrounder and ended up never using it, a lot of the stuff I used to jailbreak for was fixed with 3.0, tethering is allowed here so I don't need to jailbreak for it... How is that being controlled?

If there was anything I needed that I could get by jailbreaking, I would just do it! I used to jailbreak, I have no problems with it, I just choose not to because there aren't any benefits for me.

ngenerator said:
Thelatinist- can you please just change the title of the thread so the two anti-jailbreakers can stop arguing for argument's sake?
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If you're referring to me I'm not anti-jailbreak, I'm against the idea that if I don't jailbreak I'm under Apple's control (specially considering I used to jailbreak and decided it wasn't worth it).
 
Not sure how much more I can rephrase for you before you can understand.

One example of not accepting the control is to jailbreak and not making any changes to it. Another is to remain at 3.1.2 and ignore the upgrade when it offers zero enhancement.

By upgrading to 3.1.3 or not jailbreak your phone, you have accepted the control.

Arguing your individual preference is beside the argument whether or not you have accepted Apple's control.
 
Guys enough with the arguing.
If you don't like jb or you don't think this could ever benefit you then move on.
This is not about the benefits of jb or staying stock.
Is about having the ability if ever needed to downgrade your firmware to an earlier maybe more stable version in the future.
Thanks for everyones input.
 
Wow, you people gave managed to completely hijack a thread with very important information that has nothing to do with jailbreaking and turn it into another war over the merits of jailbreaking. In the process, you have completely obscured the actual purpose of the thread and probably turned away many people who might otherwise have benefitted from it.

I spent a long time working up this post because I wanted to help people by bringing them some real non-trivial information that as far as I know cannot be found anywhere on the web but in this thread. If you guys feel the need to jack a thread in which to air you old disagreements, why not make it one of the dozens of pointless 4G spec threads?
 
rerelease said:
Can I do this for my 3.1.2 3G S as well or should I upgrade to 3.1.3?
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You do not need to be at 3.1.3 to get your 3.1.3 SHSH, since the SHSH is retrieved directly from Apple and not from your device. Unfortunately, it is too late to get your 3.1.2 SHSH, since Apple has stopped signing 3.1.2, so you will not be able to restore to 3.1.2. But getting your 3.1.3 SHSH on file now will ensure that Apple cannot force you to upgrade beyond 3.1.3 if you should have a reason not to.
 
ngenerator said:
Where does it say that anyone says you can't do that if you want to still use their software? Who's software? Mine are all compressed via iTunes 9.1 and it's working just fine for me...
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thelatinist said:
Small White Car: there is no reason that jailbreakers should not upgrade to iTunes 9.1. I don't know where you got that idea, but your information is simply incorrect.
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I read more than one post from people claiming that 9.1 prevented them from syncing with their Jailbroken phones. I guess those people were mistaken or lying or something.

I tend not to trust things reported by only one person, but I saw it reported by more than one so I trusted them when I guess I shouldn't have.
 
gixxerfool said:
Quick question @ thelatinist:

So I save my SHSH locally, do I need to know where umbrella stored it or is umbrella used during the restore process and it will know?
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I'm reposting this cause I think it got lost in the mix. Thanks in advance.
 
thelatinist said:
You do not need to be at 3.1.3 to get your 3.1.3 SHSH, since the SHSH is retrieved directly from Apple and not from your device. Unfortunately, it is too late to get your 3.1.2 SHSH, since Apple has stopped signing 3.1.2, so you will not be able to restore to 3.1.2. But getting your 3.1.3 SHSH on file now will ensure that Apple cannot force you to upgrade beyond 3.1.3 if you should have a reason not to.
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So I'll just follow the exact same steps given and I should be good?

I'm holding off from jailbreaking just now, I've decided to wait for geohot's untethered jailbreak. But in case it works for 3.1.3 as well, I know Apple will quickly attempt to fix it so it wouldn't hurt to have a backup of my SHSH for 3.1.3. :)
 
Small White Car said:
I read more than one post from people claiming that 9.1 prevented them from syncing with their Jailbroken phones. I guess those people were mistaken or lying or something.

I tend not to trust things reported by only one person, but I saw it reported by more than one so I trusted them when I guess I shouldn't have.
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I think it was an issue with unlocked Blackrain iphones and Windows users and a fix is already out for it.
Whatever compress thing you were stating earlier was also incorrect.
 
I read this thread last night, and thought I would never need a SHSH on file. Turns out I got it on file a few months ago. Turns out I needed it this morning. I had to restore my phone this morning to re-jailbreak & install cydia. Having the 3.1.2 firmware on your desktop isnt enough, itunes checks in with Apple now to make sure the update can be installed on your phone. Unfortunately, Apple decided that the only update suitable for any iPhone is 3.1.3 and wouldnt allow me to restore to the firmware on my desktop. Thanks to Saurik & my SHSH backup, I was able to point iTunes to Saurik's servers and it verified my iPhone's firmware update. This is ridiculous that it comes to this. I read Sauriks diatribe about Apple and agree with it.
 
this whole thread is pointless.

assuming the OP's what-if scenarios came true, then get another cell that lets you tether, Exchange, multitask etc. this isn't a 30 yr fixed rate mortgage or a some contractual binding agreement, it's a freaking one night stand. you touched it, felt it up, played with it, great. move on and get a new one.

i promise the next one you find will do all the things you wished your current one would do.
 
MBHockey said:
it should just pop up on your desktop as a file that you can open with TextEdit
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Hmmmm nope no file. I'll have to start digging. It's on a mac if that matters.

benzslrpee said:
this whole thread is pointless.

assuming the OP's what-if scenarios came true, then get another cell that lets you tether, Exchange, multitask etc. this isn't a 30 yr fixed rate mortgage or a some contractual binding agreement, it's a freaking one night stand. you touched it, felt it up, played with it, great. move on and get a new one.

i promise the next one you find will do all the things you wished your current one would do.
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This thread is far from pointless. It's your opinion that people should buy a new device, perhaps people are satisified with the hardware and just want to tweak the software. Or like the previous firmware in stock form and don't want to be stuck with the newest FW.

I for one appreciate thelatinist's efforts. He has been extremely patient with my questions and problems. For my money he is the most knowledgable poster on here in regards to situations like this.
 
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