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"What we know about the 11-inch user is that they just love bringing a super powerful iPad with them in a portable one-pound design. They just love the form factor of that. Whereas the user who is embracing the 12.9-inch display, they were looking for the largest canvas to do their most creative work on that product, and that made sense to bring that XDR technology to the 12.9-inch display for the iPad Pro." Scott Broderick



Although in my original thread I falsely stated that I had already decided on the 11” model I later went back on my word and decided to give a 1TB 12.9” a test-run (picked up in-store Friday morning) before exchanging for the smaller 2021 iPad Pro at 1 pm the next day.

As I roughly explained to the salesperson who attentively heard my complaints and who guided me expertly through the exchange process, the 12.9” is clearly a portal custom-designed for (tele-)visual content creators and consumers. The few music videos I cared to watch on the thing (those for “Ponyboy,” “Faceshopping,” and “It’s Okay to Cry” by late electronic musician SOPHIE) sang, each shocking strobe and visual effect rendered, to be simplistic, cinematically, impactfully. The richness of darker shades is generally beautiful as is the screen’s capability to emphasize highlight in a way that is eye-catchingly natural. The display felt disarmingly warm and lifelike—and luxurious—during the one candle-lit Fitness+ yoga session I had with the XDR iPad.

However, in my specific use case, exchanging the 1TB 12.9” Wi-Fi-only model for a cellular-equipped 256GB 11” Pro plus Apple Pencil, Magic Keyboard, Smart Folio, two years of AppleCare+, as well as an AirTag and keyring—and paying twenty cents after the fact—was one of my better recent decisions.

Let’s get to the why aside from the obviously, astoundingly better value. Yes, the 12.9” size is less manageable (the tablet proved to be more than a bit awkward and uncomfortable to hold in a reclining position during the short time I had with it—no great surprise there). And yes, it’s clear there is a whole lot one could do with that whole lot of screen.



But aside from the more compact frame of the 11” “just” suiting me better—to use Mr. Broderick’s favorite word—“just” what was it about this newfangled, somewhat-gargantuan iPad that drove me back to the Apple Store?

I hate to further beat this horse, but it was the blooming of the display, particularly the strange clouds around white text on contrasting backgrounds, increased blur/smear with moving content (such as scrolling text), and apparent, boxy backlighting zones (or bloom/fallout from them) around brighter elements of dark user interfaces that made me quickly resent my very expensive, increasingly apparent mistake. The display was nearly unusable without thinking about how I wish it looked somehow different, especially when using dark mode and most especially when using the device in darker surroundings.

It made me feel like my contacts were dirty. The display’s disappointment factor ranked up (or down) there with that of the iPhone XS I had briefly before returning in 2018, the pulse-width modulation of which just about made my eyes bleed. Although this wasn’t nearly as uncomfortable, it was a lot more expensive.

Although I am currently satisfied and not having to think too hard about the quality of my 11” iPad’s display or wondering whether it might somehow be improved through future software updates—so far it has looked excellent across all my typical Safari/Twitter/Apple Music/light gaming use cases—it will be cool to watch how display technologies across the iPad line might further progress into and improve with smaller backlighting arrays in its LCDs or oft-beloved, per-pixel-lit OLED for use in the nearer future.

I have been using an iPhone 12 since late October 2020 and although there was a small adjustment period the comfortability of Apple’s iPhone OLED implementation for my eyes is light years ahead of where it was just two years ago. On that more positive note I hope everyone is satisfied with their device(s) or that they are able to return or exchange until their needs are met.



Also I would lastly like to say that the store representative who assisted me was pleasantly helpful and not just attentive but interested. He made sure to submit my feedback to Apple to potentially be taken into account in future product refinements and said that an Apple engineer may be reaching out at some point for further detail.
 
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iPad Bro

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I’ll have to try the 12.9” out for myself when I get it from Best Buy on Tuesday, but I may be returning it as well. I never had a gripe with the LCD panels before, and I’m not sure if I will be able to deal with the blooming and whatnot. Plus, I got it to mainly watch anime and that’s not HDR enabled for the most part. Yes, I do watch movies too, but not on a regular basis. HDR is not that important to me in the end. I thought from the beginning that the screen’s max brightness would be 1,000 nits and not the same 600 as before. Not that I am complaining, but Apple didn’t make it abundantly clear in their marketing that was the case.

Fact is, I LOVED my iPad Air 4 so much. It did everything I wanted it to do except I couldn’t live with the two speaker set up. I knew the Pro was what I needed, but the 2020 wasn’t a viable option with the 2021’s on the horizon. So... I waited. The 11” would give me what I want that the Air 4 didn’t and more: better speakers, FaceID, slimmer bezels, ProMotion, 600 nits as opposed to 500, etc.

By returning the 12.9” I can save hundreds of dollars or just invest that money in a higher storage tier 11” Pro. I just don’t know if I should open and try the 12.9” to see if it’s viable or send it straight back for the 11”.

Does anyone know if you ordered something on Best Buy’s site if you can return it to a physical store? Because I don’t want to wait a week or longer for the 11”. I have a Best Buy about an hour away with the 11” in stock, so if they do that then I could just take the 12.9” back for an exchange right then and there.
 
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MrEcted

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Does anyone know if you ordered something on Best Buy’s site if you can return it to a physical store? Because I don’t want to wait a week or longer for the 11”. I have a Best Buy about an hour away with the 11” in stock, so if they do that then I could just take the 12.9” back for an exchange right then and there.

Yeah, you’ll be able to return online purchases at a local store, I’ve done it multiple times with zero issues.
 
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iPad Bro

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Yeah, you’ll be able to return online purchases at a local store, I’ve done it multiple times with zero issues.
Cool. When I look up the Magic Keyboard’s availability at my nearest store, it says:

Available Today
Demo Model On Display
Available For Curbside Pickup

Does that mean there is only a demo model for sale or that there is a demo model on the floor? Just don’t want something that’s open box and been touched by 100 hands. :oops: Yes, I have OCD.
 
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MrEcted

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Cool. When I look up the Magic Keyboard’s availability at my nearest store, it says:

Available Today
Demo Model On Display
Available For Curbside Pickup

Does that mean there is only a demo model for sale or that there is a demo model on the floor? Just don’t want something that’s open box and been touched by 100 hands. :oops: Yes, I have OCD.

I could be wrong, but I believe that it just means they have new models available (so you would be getting brand new untouched) however, there are demo units available to check out in the store if you like.
 
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Fact is, I LOVED my iPad Air 4 so much. It did everything I wanted it to do except I couldn’t live with the two speaker set up.

I also enjoy my Air 4 and personally would never consider going larger than 11” for my iPad, as it travels with me a lot and I do not do any graphical/video work, so no need for bigger canvas.

Sound-wise, when at work, I play some background music on it and it sounds rather good to me, even at about 20-25% volume. Its TouchID works really well too and is very welcome, as I have to wear a mask at work. If the sound was a primary factor for me, I would consider investing into a good set of headphones or a Bluetooth speaker. Right now I use AP2 with it.

Very happy with Air for now and will be looking forward to OLED hopefully coming to it next year. ✌️
 
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iPad Bro

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I also enjoy my Air 4 and personally would never consider going higher than 11” for my iPad, as it travels with me a lot and I do not do any graphical/video work, so no need for bigger canvas.

Sound-wise, when at work, I play some background music on it and it sounds rather good to me, even at about 20-25% volume. Its TouchID works really well too and is very welcome, as I have to wear a mask at work. If the sound was a primary factor for me, I would consider investing into a good set of headphones or a Bluetooth speaker. Right now I use AP2 with it.

Very happy with Air for now and will be looking forward to OLED hopefully coming to it next year. ✌️
Well, I bought a pair of AirPods Pro along with my Air 4 because of the speakers. I think they are fine for most people, but I am a avid music listener and I love the best speakers I can get. The AirPods Pro were good, but for the combined price I could have just got an 11” Pro. I don’t like wearing headphones or earbuds in general either, but that’s completely my own preference. I think the Air 4 is amazing. I had a great time with it. I just needed those Pro level speakers.
 
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sorgo †

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TLDR; wanted 11”, bought 12.9”, exchanged for 11” ?
Way too damn long, lol. Thank you. And yes, basically. Long story short, I was hoping to be fully floored by the XDR iPad and just wasn’t, unfortunately. There is a part of me that still wishes it didn’t have those few glaring, outstanding quirks (in addition to the comparatively endearing edge shadow I didn’t as much mind) so that I would have been more tempted to keep it; there are absolutely strengths and positives to both the display size and technology.
 

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"What we know about the 11-inch user is that they just love bringing a super powerful iPad with them in a portable one-pound design. They just love the form factor of that. Whereas the user who is embracing the 12.9-inch display, they were looking for the largest canvas to do their most creative work on that product, and that made sense to bring that XDR technology to the 12.9-inch display for the iPad Pro." Scott Broderick



Although in my original thread I falsely stated that I had already decided on the 11” model I later went back on my word and decided to give a 1TB 12.9” a test-run (picked up in-store Friday morning) before exchanging for the smaller 2021 iPad Pro at 1 pm the next day.

As I roughly explained to the salesperson who attentively heard my complaints and who guided me expertly through the exchange process, the 12.9” is clearly a portal custom-designed for (tele-)visual content creators and consumers. The few music videos I cared to watch on the thing (those for “Ponyboy,” “Faceshopping,” and “It’s Okay to Cry” by late electronic musician SOPHIE) sang, each shocking strobe and visual effect rendered, to be simplistic, cinematically, impactfully. The richness of darker shades is generally beautiful as is the screen’s capability to emphasize highlight in a way that is eye-catchingly natural. The display felt disarmingly warm and lifelike—and luxurious—during the one candle-lit Fitness+ yoga session I had with the XDR iPad.

However, in my specific use case, exchanging the 1TB 12.9” Wi-Fi-only model for a cellular-equipped 256GB 11” Pro plus Apple Pencil, Magic Keyboard, Smart Folio, two years of AppleCare+, as well as an AirTag and keyring—and paying twenty cents after the fact—was one of my better recent decisions.

Let’s get to the why aside from the obviously, astoundingly better value. Yes, the 12.9” size is less manageable (the tablet proved to be more than a bit awkward and uncomfortable to hold in a reclining position during the short time I had with it—no great surprise there). And yes, it’s clear there is a whole lot one could do with that whole lot of screen.



But aside from the more compact frame of the 11” “just” suiting me better—to use Mr. Broderick’s favorite word—“just” what was it about this newfangled, somewhat-gargantuan iPad that drove me back to the Apple Store?

I hate to further beat this horse, but it was the blooming of the display, particularly the strange clouds around white text on contrasting backgrounds, increased blur/smear with moving content (such as scrolling text), and apparent, boxy backlighting zones (or bloom/fallout from them) around brighter elements of dark user interfaces that made me quickly resent my very expensive, increasingly apparent mistake. The display was nearly unusable without thinking about how I wish it looked somehow different, especially when using dark mode and most especially when using the device in darker surroundings.

It made me feel like my contacts were dirty. The display’s disappointment factor ranked up (or down) there with that of the iPhone XS I had briefly before returning in 2018, the pulse-width modulation of which just about made my eyes bleed. Although this wasn’t nearly as uncomfortable, it was a lot more expensive.

Although I am currently satisfied and not having to think too hard about the quality of my 11” iPad’s display or wondering whether it might somehow be improved through future software updates—so far it has looked excellent across all my typical Safari/Twitter/Apple Music/light gaming use cases—it will be cool to watch how display technologies across the iPad line might further progress into and improve with smaller backlighting arrays in its LCDs or oft-beloved, per-pixel-lit OLED for use in the nearer future.

I have been using an iPhone 12 since late October 2020 and although there was a small adjustment period the comfortability of Apple’s iPhone OLED implementation for my eyes is light years ahead of where it was just two years ago. On that more positive note I hope everyone is satisfied with their device(s) or that they are able to return or exchange until their needs are met.



Also I would lastly like to say that the store representative who assisted me was pleasantly helpful and not just attentive but interested. He made sure to submit my feedback to Apple to potentially be taken into account in future product refinements and said that an Apple engineer may be reaching out at some point for further detail.
Nice! Glad you figured out what you wanted before it was too late. As for myself, I’m set to receive my 12.9 this coming Thursday and I’m very excited. I don’t imagine the blooming will bug me but if it does for some reason, I may consider returning it and getting the 11.
 

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I’ll have to try the 12.9” out for myself when I get it from Best Buy on Tuesday, but I may be returning it as well. I never had a gripe with the LCD panels before, and I’m not sure if I will be able to deal with the blooming and whatnot. Plus, I got it to mainly watch anime and that’s not HDR enabled for the most part. Yes, I do watch movies too, but not on a regular basis. HDR is not that important to me in the end. I thought from the beginning that the screen’s max brightness would be 1,000 nits and not the same 600 as before. Not that I am complaining, but Apple didn’t make it abundantly clear in their marketing that was the case.

Fact is, I LOVED my iPad Air 4 so much. It did everything I wanted it to do except I couldn’t live with the two speaker set up. I knew the Pro was what I needed, but the 2020 wasn’t a viable option with the 2021’s on the horizon. So... I waited. The 11” would give me what I want that the Air 4 didn’t and more: better speakers, FaceID, slimmer bezels, ProMotion, 600 nits as opposed to 500, etc.

By returning the 12.9” I can save hundreds of dollars or just invest that money in a higher storage tier 11” Pro. I just don’t know if I should open and try the 12.9” to see if it’s viable or send it straight back for the 11”.

Does anyone know if you ordered something on Best Buy’s site if you can return it to a physical store? Because I don’t want to wait a week or longer for the 11”. I have a Best Buy about an hour away with the 11” in stock, so if they do that then I could just take the 12.9” back for an exchange right then and there.
It sounds to me like you’ve already decided that the 11” is the right size for you. In this case, I would just return the 12.9” without opening and get the 11”. I’m going 11” myself. You should be able to return directly to any Best Buy store.
 
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jimmy_uk

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There is no value to this thread just like a lot of threads on this forum
But clearly there is as it's a space for people to discuss their point of view and experience, just as you felt the need to.

Sure there are threads on threads were people want to help validate their decision by talking out loud, but it can help others consider their personal choices.

And the website owners have to love it because it is content, which is king.
 

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I honestly don't understand why this thread exists. You didn't like product so you exchanged product for one that suits you more? Glad it worked out for you, but where's the added value for anyone reading?
Are you New around here?
There is no value to this thread just like a lot of threads on this forum
Nailed it. ??
 

beardev

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Am I understanding correctly that blooming is WORSE on the new 12.9 screen than the 11-inch non-HDR screen?
It depends on what you mean by blooming, and what your preferences are. On the 12.9, light elements on dark backgrounds cause some of the surrounding dark areas to be unnaturally lit. But on the 11 inch, dark areas are always unnaturally lit, across the whole screen. I can see an argument for someone preferring one or the other, depending on if they prefer the consistency of the 11 inch or not.
 

Danando1993

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For me the 11” is perfect, the portability combined with the power outweighs the larger screen. The iPad is still an add on device for me and in reality I can’t get any meaningful work done using it but being able to hold this thin lightweight sheet of metal and glass to zip through apps is incredible.
 

jsmith1

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I honestly don't understand why this thread exists. You didn't like product so you exchanged product for one that suits you more? Glad it worked out for you, but where's the added value for anyone reading?
Obviously you didn’t get it...honest feedback is very helpful others think about purchasing...just because you don’t see value in it doesn’t make so..maybe if Apple got more honest feedback it would help improve their products instead of money grab.
 

jsmith1

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"What we know about the 11-inch user is that they just love bringing a super powerful iPad with them in a portable one-pound design. They just love the form factor of that. Whereas the user who is embracing the 12.9-inch display, they were looking for the largest canvas to do their most creative work on that product, and that made sense to bring that XDR technology to the 12.9-inch display for the iPad Pro." Scott Broderick



Although in my original thread I falsely stated that I had already decided on the 11” model I later went back on my word and decided to give a 1TB 12.9” a test-run (picked up in-store Friday morning) before exchanging for the smaller 2021 iPad Pro at 1 pm the next day.

As I roughly explained to the salesperson who attentively heard my complaints and who guided me expertly through the exchange process, the 12.9” is clearly a portal custom-designed for (tele-)visual content creators and consumers. The few music videos I cared to watch on the thing (those for “Ponyboy,” “Faceshopping,” and “It’s Okay to Cry” by late electronic musician SOPHIE) sang, each shocking strobe and visual effect rendered, to be simplistic, cinematically, impactfully. The richness of darker shades is generally beautiful as is the screen’s capability to emphasize highlight in a way that is eye-catchingly natural. The display felt disarmingly warm and lifelike—and luxurious—during the one candle-lit Fitness+ yoga session I had with the XDR iPad.

However, in my specific use case, exchanging the 1TB 12.9” Wi-Fi-only model for a cellular-equipped 256GB 11” Pro plus Apple Pencil, Magic Keyboard, Smart Folio, two years of AppleCare+, as well as an AirTag and keyring—and paying twenty cents after the fact—was one of my better recent decisions.

Let’s get to the why aside from the obviously, astoundingly better value. Yes, the 12.9” size is less manageable (the tablet proved to be more than a bit awkward and uncomfortable to hold in a reclining position during the short time I had with it—no great surprise there). And yes, it’s clear there is a whole lot one could do with that whole lot of screen.



But aside from the more compact frame of the 11” “just” suiting me better—to use Mr. Broderick’s favorite word—“just” what was it about this newfangled, somewhat-gargantuan iPad that drove me back to the Apple Store?

I hate to further beat this horse, but it was the blooming of the display, particularly the strange clouds around white text on contrasting backgrounds, increased blur/smear with moving content (such as scrolling text), and apparent, boxy backlighting zones (or bloom/fallout from them) around brighter elements of dark user interfaces that made me quickly resent my very expensive, increasingly apparent mistake. The display was nearly unusable without thinking about how I wish it looked somehow different, especially when using dark mode and most especially when using the device in darker surroundings.

It made me feel like my contacts were dirty. The display’s disappointment factor ranked up (or down) there with that of the iPhone XS I had briefly before returning in 2018, the pulse-width modulation of which just about made my eyes bleed. Although this wasn’t nearly as uncomfortable, it was a lot more expensive.

Although I am currently satisfied and not having to think too hard about the quality of my 11” iPad’s display or wondering whether it might somehow be improved through future software updates—so far it has looked excellent across all my typical Safari/Twitter/Apple Music/light gaming use cases—it will be cool to watch how display technologies across the iPad line might further progress into and improve with smaller backlighting arrays in its LCDs or oft-beloved, per-pixel-lit OLED for use in the nearer future.

I have been using an iPhone 12 since late October 2020 and although there was a small adjustment period the comfortability of Apple’s iPhone OLED implementation for my eyes is light years ahead of where it was just two years ago. On that more positive note I hope everyone is satisfied with their device(s) or that they are able to return or exchange until their needs are met.



Also I would lastly like to say that the store representative who assisted me was pleasantly helpful and not just attentive but interested. He made sure to submit my feedback to Apple to potentially be taken into account in future product refinements and said that an Apple engineer may be reaching out at some point for further detail.
Good honest feedback back on your experience
 
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