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newagemac

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Mar 31, 2010
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I mostly agree with this (grouping apps together). However, when you scroll up, the windows really don't spread out very well, and unlike App Expose, you can't see the titles for the windows. If they make scrolling up over the applications more like App Expose, Mission Control would be perfect.

You are supposed to use the spacebar in combination with the swipe up. You can easily see any particular window that way. Or choose any window for that particular app and quickly go into App Exposé. But the spacebar works really well in Mission Control. I don't think many people even know about that which is why they have a problem with the grouping.
 

qoem

macrumors newbie
Jun 30, 2011
14
0
London
You are supposed to use the spacebar in combination with the swipe up. You can easily see any particular window that way. Or choose any window for that particular app and quickly go into App Exposé. But the spacebar works really well in Mission Control. I don't think many people even know about that which is why they have a problem with the grouping.

no. the reason why people have a problem with the grouping is that grouping has no advantage, and "ungrouping" requires one extra click.
 

tkermit

macrumors 68040
Feb 20, 2004
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You are supposed to use the spacebar in combination with the swipe up. You can easily see any particular window that way.

I've generally been an advocate of MC, but the view with the windows (more or less) spread out in Mission Control is akin to finding a needle in a haystack as soon as the number of windows exceeds four or five, simply because the windows overlap way too much.
 

eudyss

macrumors newbie
May 21, 2012
3
0
That definitely does look better. But I still miss being able to drag windows between spaces without having to switch to the space I'm moving a window from.

I agree - THAT is the key for my personal most efficient workflow, too.
 

haravikk

macrumors 65832
May 1, 2005
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By the way, if you hit the spacebar each window fully expands.
I know that one, but you have to do it for each window, which doesn't really help with grouped windows as you can't see which window it is that you want to look at :p

And if you assign the fn key (by itself) to App Exposé
I've tried that as well but it doesn't help that much. Specifically, I maintained the F9 all-windows, F10 app-windows and F11 desktop setup, however it's not possible to switch from all-windows to app-windows directly (you have hit F10 twice); plus app-windows requires you to switch first into the app that you wish to see windows for, which isn't that smooth.

Lion's Mission Control (through grouping) solved the problem of having so many windows open at once that you can't find the particular window you want to use while in Expose´.
I completely agree, however I still feel it's clunky and shouldn't have been released as it is in Lion today. Specifically; not everyone owning a Mac has touch-input, and I know plenty of laptop users who only use the trackpad on the go, and use a mouse when they're at a desk.

Even for touch-input I don't feel that swipe-up is a logical gesture either, it'd make more sense to outwardly 'pinch' (not sure what's that called) to "push" the group apart. Or even just touching the group would make sense, and work better for mouse-users as well.
 

linuxcooldude

macrumors 68020
Mar 1, 2010
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Its to give the anti-choice worshippers a dose of reality. There have been *many* threads on the issue of expose and each thread had even more individuals ridiculing those that wanted the option to have it back, ignoring it as an issue, downplaying the complaints made, etc.

It was arrogance at its finest.

The responses were more or less in this tone;

'No, Apple doesnt need to fix anything, its not an issue, get used to it, expose has nothing to do with workflow, etc'

It was pretty disgusting.

Because its called an opinion. Rubbing peoples face in it is more self serving and does not really add to a discussion.

It was arrogance at its finest.

I find what your doing just as arrogant.

Lets just chock it up to a difference of opinion which is fine as long as it does not get out of hand like it is now if thats how you decide to play it.
 

InuNacho

macrumors 68010
Apr 24, 2008
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1,262
In that one place
I completely agree, however I still feel it's clunky and shouldn't have been released as it is in Lion today. Specifically; not everyone owning a Mac has touch-input, and I know plenty of laptop users who only use the trackpad on the go, and use a mouse when they're at a desk.

I rarely ever use my trackpad and find Gestures completely unfriendly and frankly a bit painful. I bring my Logitech Performance MX everywhere with me and have set up the thumb button as all Window Expose and the Zoom button as Desktop Expose.

Getting access to everything doesn't even require moving a finger and honestly I can't adapt to MC.
 

Spanky Deluxe

macrumors demi-god
Mar 17, 2005
5,285
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London, UK
OMG I only just found this after another search for a hack to reintroduce SL expose into Lion. I'm so desperate for this feature I might just pay for the developer license so as to get ML early legitimately. Full expose was the reason I switched to OS X in the first place - it was such a more elegant and easier to use solution to switching applications and windows compared to the alt+tab or the task bar in windows.

Thank God that it looks like Lion will only be the Vista of OS X and not a continuing trend to destroy the UI and ability to actually use a Mac to do serious work.
 

Drew017

macrumors 65816
May 29, 2011
1,254
11
East coast, USA
This could possibly be a bug, but when I enable the scroll to open stack gesture (which worked in Lion), and scroll over an app icon in the dock that's not currently open, I get snow Leopard's expose...
 

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DarwinOSX

macrumors 68000
Nov 3, 2009
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Never in my life would I have thought that apple would re-introduce a feature based off of user demand. I might actually start liking OS X again :)

They started doing this in 1984.

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Thank God that it looks like Lion will only be the Vista of OS X and not a continuing trend to destroy the UI and ability to actually use a Mac to do serious work.

Such a silly thing to say.
 

CrzyCanuck72

macrumors 6502a
Jun 10, 2003
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I'm still a bit confused (SL user here); does this mean that all 3 expose modes from SL are now available in ML (all-windows, app-windows, and show desktop)? But for app-windows, it still goes into the Mission Control screen rather than just overlaying over what's currently open (SL-style)?

Can you still use hotcorners and drag files in and out of Expose?
 

Justright

macrumors newbie
Jul 28, 2012
1
0
Expose not showing hidden files?

OK, I'm glad Expose is back in Mountain Lion, I've installed the new OSX and loaded up different apps, I tried hiding some of them and leaving others open, but when I tried using expose it did not show the hidden windows? I'm I missing something :rolleyes: or is this left out :eek:

Thanks for any feedback :)
 

mabaker

macrumors 65816
Jan 19, 2008
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OK, I'm glad Expose is back in Mountain Lion, I've installed the new OSX and loaded up different apps, I tried hiding some of them and leaving others open, but when I tried using expose it did not show the hidden windows? I'm I missing something :rolleyes: or is this left out :eek:

Thanks for any feedback :)

Exposé in 10.3., 10.4 and 10.5 never showed any minimized windows.

In 10.6 and upwards it does show minimized windows if you go to "Application Windows Exposé" only.
 

1swift

macrumors newbie
Dec 17, 2010
19
0
Ive posted this in another post with no response

Maybe someone can shed some light here

I much prefer Spaces to Mission Control, But I really only want one thing that can be implemented into Mission Control easily, and may be, for all I know, possible already

I hope I can explain this.

Back in SL, when I went to the Spaces view AND the all windows view..I could see all of my desktops in the all windows view. So if I had multiple desktops with multiple windows, I could see which was where etc and go to the proper desktop

Now with Mission Control, when I go to the "all windows" view, I see my desktops, but their in the standard view and windows behind other windows are not seen.

Id like to see all desktops in the "all windows" view when I go to launchpad.

Hope that was clear....Is this possible, anyone? Was this the same behavior on Lion?
 

illuminous

macrumors member
Oct 27, 2007
60
0
Glad to see this has made a return.

I have never been a fan of Mission Control. The old 'Expose + Spaces' is Apple at its best.. simple, clean and functional. When I first saw Mission Control, I thought to myself, this is something that Microsoft would do... it works, but just a little clunky.
 

iAll

macrumors member
Oct 24, 2012
79
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SE NH
Glad to see this has made a return.

I have never been a fan of Mission Control. The old 'Expose + Spaces' is Apple at its best.. simple, clean and functional. When I first saw Mission Control, I thought to myself, this is something that Microsoft would do... it works, but just a little clunky.

Clunky is an understatement. I'm not a fan of the mouse; this requires you to the mouse instead of the arrow keys(Spaces). And to think I dumped Photoshop CS (Snow Leopard) for Mission Control (Mountain Lion). :rolleyes:
 

splitpea

macrumors 65816
Oct 21, 2009
1,149
422
Among the starlings
Clunky is an understatement. I'm not a fan of the mouse; this requires you to the mouse instead of the arrow keys(Spaces). And to think I dumped Photoshop CS (Snow Leopard) for Mission Control (Mountain Lion). :rolleyes:

If one wants new hardware, though, there isn't any alternative -- is there?
 
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