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can you actually see any flickering?
Maybe I shouldn’t share this info because once you see it you’ll never be able to un-see it again… but since you asked…

1. In a dark room set your OLED iPhone to minimal brightness.
2. Open the Notes app to an empty note so the screen is totally white.
3. Hold the phone at arm’s length and quickly swing it past your eyes with the screen facing you while you stare straight ahead in the distance- not looking directly at the phone.
4. With your eyes not moving and still staring forward, pay attention to the screen you’re swinging quickly past your vision.
5. peripherally, you’ll clearly be able to see the screen flashing on and off like a freaking strobe light (because it is a strobe light) as it passes your field of vision.

if you do that same test with an LCD iPhone, the screen will just look like a white blur (because LCDs flicker faster than what can be perceived by humans >1000 hz)

Sorry to ruin your day. But sometimes seeing reality for what it really is - is painful
 
It’s here! Never thought I’d be so happy to have a new two year old phone 🤓🤣

Headphones & Charger included too!!

Those were the days!
 

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Just out of curiosity, how does one switch back to the iPhone 7 for a few days? I think they activated an eSim in the phone I got at the Apple store and deactivated my iPhone 8+. Just wondering how I might be able to switch between them.

I have the Mini and have been playing with settings to see if I can get used to it. I want to love it...

In short, I don't know how to do this in your situation.

I am in Australia and I always buy my phones outright. I use a prepaid phone plan from Telstra and I have a physical nano SIM card.

In my situation, it's just as simple as taking the SIM card out of the 13P and putting it back into the 7.
 
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Maybe I shouldn’t share this info because once you see it you’ll never be able to un-see it again… but since you asked…

1. In a dark room set your OLED iPhone to minimal brightness.
2. Open the Notes app to an empty note so the screen is totally white.
3. Hold the phone at arm’s length and quickly swing it past your eyes with the screen facing you while you stare straight ahead in the distance- not looking directly at the phone.
4. With your eyes not moving and still staring forward, pay attention to the screen you’re swinging quickly past your vision.
5. peripherally, you’ll clearly be able to see the screen flashing on and off like a freaking strobe light (because it is a strobe light) as it passes your field of vision.

if you do that same test with an LCD iPhone, the screen will just look like a white blur (because LCDs flicker faster than what can be perceived by humans >1000 hz)

Sorry to ruin your day. But sometimes seeing reality for what it really is - is painful
Thanks for this. Might try this when I go back to the 13P to keep testing it. I am currently back to using my 7 for the weekend to see if migraines go away.

Having said that, I was under the impression that certain people could actually see the flickering in day-to-day conditions. I remember watching some notebook review videos in which people claimed as much, but maybe it is different for phone displays.
 
It’s here! Never thought I’d be so happy to have a new two year old phone 🤓🤣

Headphones & Charger included too!!

Those were the days!
Congratulations on your new phone. But it seems strange to read “new two year old phone”. Back in the 90s, people would save up for 3 years to buy an expensive television or a stereo set but they would still be considered as latest model even after 3 years since launch because the companies do not update their products on yearly basis. During early and mid 2000s, Sony Ericsson do not update their phones as often. Those phones would be bought with the feeling of owning a completely new device even after buying them 2 years after their launch. Now that we have yearly updates of each model, and some Chinese companies update their phone every 6 months, we tend to wait for the latest model. And 2 year old phone would be often considered as a completely archaic model.
 
13 Pro users some weird situations have started happening to me. For reference I‘ve never really had an issue with motion sickness, extreme eye strain/soreness, dizziness or any of this from my iPhone. Like you could spin me around in a chair then put me on a roller coaster and then a motion simulator and I would be completely fine. I have owned X and 11 pro used in cars etc. never had the issues people were talking about on here.

However, this past Saturday I was sitting passenger seat in a car driving home looking at my phone and all the sudden I felt really nauseous. For reference low power mode so refresh was dropped to <60 and dark mode enabled. I had to keep looking out the window because looking at my phone felt worse, and almost told the driver to pull over. At the time I thought it was because I was drinking earlier in the day (very little, but high altitude) and had gotten very little sleep the night before.

Cut to last night I got home from a workout and was laying on the couch editing a video in iMovie on my 13 pro. Switching between preview and edit mode (especially with HDR footage) causes the brightness to jump around and I’m sure the adaptive refresh rate to change too (gliding through timeline, previewing clips, moving clips around etc.) All the sudden I got a really weird vertigo feeling that I’ve practically never experienced before. I thought maybe it was caused by being slightly light headed from my workout and the angle I was laying at but now I’m thinking it could have been from the phone? Especially since it happened right when the screen brightness was changed after previewing an HDR clip.

So now I’m second guessing myself… I will need to continue to monitor closesly if it happens again and see if it’s phone related. I really hope I don’t have to get rid of my 13 pro especially as the return window is quickly closing.

In general though I’ve had way too much screen time this year, so much of it feels unavoidable though. Also general pro tip USE NIGHT SHIFT DURING THE DAY and evenings on your iOS devices/Mac. (F.lux or nightlight on windows). The default settings aren’t that intense so crank it up. It will look way too yellow at first but by the end of the week you will hardly notice. This helps me sleep so much better and reduced any eye strain I had from night viewing/red sore eyes in the morning! If the colors bother you while looking at a photo or video you can quickly toggle it off/on in control center.
 
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Okay… experimental question. If you have issues, do you also have blue eyes? Blue eyes are more sensitive to light, causing photophobia? (Heard about this a few random places.)
Brown eyes. No astigmatism. I answer because I love experiments and am enthused to hear the data. :)
 
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It’s here! Never thought I’d be so happy to have a new two year old phone 🤓🤣

Headphones & Charger included too!!

Those were the days!
Yay! I’m excited for you! Because I held on to my 11, I just went back to it after I returned the 13PM, and I gotta say: I’m really happy. It’s a good size, weight, curved sides, screen, screen, screen. It just feels good. Hope you have fun with it, too. :)
 
Okay… experimental question. If you have issues, do you also have blue eyes? Blue eyes are more sensitive to light, causing photophobia? (Heard about this a few random places.)
Yes to having blue eyes and astigmatism. I wear contact lenses and having a recent eye test, I was told my vision has improved due to age.
 
13 Pro users some weird situations have started happening to me. For reference I‘ve never really had an issue with motion sickness, extreme eye strain/soreness, dizziness or any of this from my iPhone. Like you could spin me around in a chair then put me on a roller coaster and then a motion simulator and I would be completely fine. I have owned X and 11 pro used in cars etc. never had the issues people were talking about on here.

However, this past Saturday I was sitting passenger seat in a car driving home looking at my phone and all the sudden I felt really nauseous. For reference low power mode so refresh was dropped to <60 and dark mode enabled. I had to keep looking out the window because looking at my phone felt worse, and almost told the driver to pull over. At the time I thought it was because I was drinking earlier in the day (very little, but high altitude) and had gotten very little sleep the night before.

Cut to last night I got home from a workout and was laying on the couch editing a video in iMovie on my 13 pro. Switching between preview and edit mode (especially with HDR footage) causes the brightness to jump around and I’m sure the adaptive refresh rate to change too (gliding through timeline, previewing clips, moving clips around etc.) All the sudden I got a really weird vertigo feeling that I’ve practically never experienced before. I thought maybe it was caused by being slightly light headed from my workout and the angle I was laying at but now I’m thinking it could have been from the phone? Especially since it happened right when the screen brightness was changed after previewing an HDR clip.

So now I’m second guessing myself… I will need to continue to monitor closesly if it happens again and see if it’s phone related. I really hope I don’t have to get rid of my 13 pro especially as the return window is quickly closing.

In general though I’ve had way too much screen time this year, so much of it feels unavoidable though. Also general pro tip USE NIGHT SHIFT DURING THE DAY and evenings on your iOS devices/Mac. (F.lux or nightlight on windows). The default settings aren’t that intense so crank it up. It will look way too yellow at first but by the end of the week you will hardly notice. This helps me sleep so much better and reduced any eye strain I had from night viewing/red sore eyes in the morning! If the colors bother you while looking at a photo or video you can quickly toggle it off/on in control center.
In simplistic terms this is the balance system freaking as it can't resolve what your eyes are seeing vs what the brain can process. Be very careful if you don't want to be left with more permanent vestibular issues.

For me (and many others) this is symptom of (OLED) PWM technology - Apple have no interest in addressing it so you may have to ditch your phone for an older LCD version.
 
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If you can actually use an 11 without issues you are blessed :) I cant use any iPhone anymore since the latest update to ios 14.8 i wish i could use any 8 or 11
 
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For those staying with an 11, like me, apple only sells the silicone case in white now. Black is listed but sold out. All other colors are no longer offered. So if you like Apple silicone cases, i suspect they might not sell them in the near future so get em while they last. I just got a spare as my current one already has a crack on the side.
 
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For those staying with an 11, like me, apple only sells the silicone case in white now. Black is listed but sold out. All other colors are no longer offered. So if you like Apple silicone cases, i suspect they might not sell them in the near future so get em while they last. I just got a spare as my current one already has a crack on the side.
I got a MagBak case for my 11, and a magnetic wallet as well as a magnetic car mount. Super strong magnets, can still use the wireless charger and it's almost like I have a MagSafe phone now. :)
 
For those staying with an 11, like me, apple only sells the silicone case in white now. Black is listed but sold out. All other colors are no longer offered. So if you like Apple silicone cases, i suspect they might not sell them in the near future so get em while they last. I just got a spare as my current one already has a crack on the side.
Yes I bought an additional white case recently and I presently scrounging the internet for other colors. Have a black, surf blue (?), and pink sand.

Looking for a product red at least, but so hard to tell if they're legit on eBay--please let me know if you know how to discern.

And share if you find any other places to find colors. Think black is on Amazon.
 
I got a MagBak case for my 11, and a magnetic wallet as well as a magnetic car mount. Super strong magnets, can still use the wireless charger and it's almost like I have a MagSafe phone now. :)
How do those compare to Apple silicone cases? Especially in the feel of it?
 
I got a MagBak case for my 11, and a magnetic wallet as well as a magnetic car mount. Super strong magnets, can still use the wireless charger and it's almost like I have a MagSafe phone now. :)
Cool. MagSafe for the rest of us. Their website video says the wallet holds up to 6 cards. Do you happen to know how many cards it would hold at a minimum before things get too loose and risk sliding out (I prefer to carry only 2-3 cards)?
 
How do those compare to Apple silicone cases? Especially in the feel of it?
I think they're great. The MagBak branding is a bit too prominent, but they feel pretty good to me.
Cool. MagSafe for the rest of us. Their website video says the wallet holds up to 6 cards. Do you happen to know how many cards it would hold at a minimum before things get too loose and risk sliding out (I prefer to carry only 2-3 cards)?
When I first got it, I put 3 cards in - ID, credit, bank card. It's rock solid. I think if you put in just one, it wouldn't slide out either.
 
I returned my iPhone 13 Pro (my first OLED iPhone). The nausea and dizziness were severe.

I am coming from an iPhone SE original which I have been using with quite a few restrictions enabled to make it a less distracting device. The 13 Pro showed me that I am missing out compared to a modern offering. I am a photographer and I purchased the 13 Pro after testing a friend’s camera (the 13 pro is amazing).

So now I am researching what to buy. The iPhone 11 or SE are the safe choices, but the cameras are not exciting me. I have watched a number of videos testing display flicker. It seems that the 13 series flickers at all brightnesses. By comparison it looks like the 12 series only flickered below 25% brightness. Could I buy a 12 and keep the brightness up or did everyone have issues with that as well?
 
My god is OLED a double edged sword. Here's my story: I realized I was affected by PWM when I purchased a used iPhone XS Max two years ago. It was instant: severe eye strain when looking at the screen. Like unpleasurable pressure in the back of my eyes. Unbareable. Did some quick research on it ("iPhone hurts eyes" type of google search), saw a few people mentioning PWM, but I didn't really take it seriously. It was all new back then. I sold it, and went to purchase the newest LCD iPhone, the 11.

Now, 2 years later, this week exactly, I decided to try the iPhone 12. New, from Apple, with a 14 days return policy. And yet again, the eye strain was still there. I told myself "maybe it'll get better? My eyes will get used to it?". 4 days after using it, it kind of got better, but not enough. The pain was less intense, but I could still tell that my eyes were sore and tired. I asked myself "Do I really have to kill my eyes to have the latest iPhone?" (heck, it's even last year's iPhone). No. It's not worth it. Returned the iPhone 12, and went back to my iPhone 11. I plan on changing its battery in 2022 and using it for at least another 3 years.

But the OLED fiasco doesn't stop here. This exact same week, on our family group chat, my uncle sent us pictures of his OLED LG C7 TV asking us what the heck is this: visible banding of burn-in on his TV. A brand new TV he paid a premium price for a few years ago. We checked for him and the warranty doesn't even cover burn-in.

And now, today, the Nintendo Switch OLED model released and, a few months ago, I was interested in buying it. I even pre-ordered it. Now, knowing what I know, I don't dare touch anything OLED related. It's even been confirmed on the Nintendo Switch reddit page that the model has PWM. I canceled my order.

Now, don't get me wrong, OLED screens are crisp and beautiful to look at. But at what cost? Apparently your eyes, burn-in, and your wallet.

I sure hope this OLED screen trend will be short lived in the industry. I doubt it. But only time will tell.
 
They’re digging up 1 year old rumors to try to make an article.
A big screen iPhone will always be their top tier model. That’s a big part of the draw - the big screen. I can’t see them cannibalizing ProMax sales with a budget friendly big lcd model…. But I sure hope I’m wrong. A modern 8+ would be perfect.
 
By comparison it looks like the 12 series only flickered below 25% brightness. Could I buy a 12 and keep the brightness up or did everyone have issues with that as well?
It doesn't work for me even at 50% brightness. The only choices for a new phone now are 11 and SE 2020, and IMO the latter is horrible value since they have not changed the price since introduction and they even dropped the charging brick since then.
 
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