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I just got an iPad Air 11” (M2). This thing is fantastic. Highly recommended. Zero PWM. The display is beautiful.
Temporal dithering has never bothered my eyes, so I've never researched how to measure or detect that. My eyes are totally relaxed using the iPad Air 11" (M2). Really pleased.
YouTube review at 10m10s: Первый обзор CMF Phone 1 от Nothing
Radex measures between 4.5% (max brightness) - 7.5% (low brightness), which is pretty good for OLED (nothing compared to the 1% of LCDs). So this may indeed be why Nick felt comfortable using it
The best OLED screen for PWM, currently, seems to be the Honor 200. See this YouTube review at 5m20s: БЗОР HONOR 200
2.5% (max brightness) - 6.5% (low brightness)
I tried the Honor 90 last year. It was the most comfortable OLED phone I have used so far. I had no issues. The screen felt good to use.
It had slightly higher Radex values than the 200 seems to have, so the 200 should be better still.
I sold it as I wasn’t happy with some OS bugs, but they now have a new OS version.
Might be worth a try.
This seems similar to the Honor 90 Settings area. These aren’t settings that can be switched. They just have the high PWM highlighted in the Settings section, but there’s no toggle.
It seems the phone has no modifiable settings for PWM. It runs at high PWM in low brightness and DC like dimming at higher brightness.
Nick tested the 200 Pro (which should have the same screen for this purpose): Honor 200 Pro PWM and dithering measurements
It’s like I woke up one day and iPhone SE started feeling dated, too low-resolution, and even small despite how much I appreciated the mini iPhones.
My first order of business would be to see what Apple has done with iPhone 16, then figure out alternatives like the Motorola Razr+ or the Honor 200 Pro. I fear I’m too sensitive and even the latter devices would cause sensitivity.
Apple has all of the resources and talent in the world, and this remains an issue for a fairly sizable pool of users: fix it or create an Accessibility option. It’s only been seven years, or a full stay at Hogwarts. There must be enough magic at Apple Park to create a solution for display flickering…
My first order of business would be to see what Apple has done with iPhone 16, then figure out alternatives like the Motorola Razr+ or the Honor 200 Pro. I fear I’m too sensitive and even the latter devices would cause sensitivity.
Apple has all of the resources and talent in the world, and this remains an issue for a fairly sizable pool of users: fix it or create an Accessibility option. It’s only been seven years, or a full stay at Hogwarts. There must be enough magic at Apple Park to create a solution for display flickering…
This week the new Pixel 9 will be presented with the same m14 display from Samsung that Apple will use for the 16 line up. Let’s see if they made any improvements (probably not) The SE4 with the 14 design will primarily use BOE displays. That is hopefully news
Notebookcheck posted a review of the Motorola Razr Ultra, and it looks better on paper. Color accuracy is a massive improvement on par with iPhone 15 Pro, and the PWM rate corresponds to the refresh rate. Interestingly they now measure amplitude, although it doesn’t indicate if it’s measured at max brightness or perhaps an average:
Motorola Razr+ 2024 smartphone review – The flip phone with an enormous outer display
This year's Motorola Razr+ bears an iconic name and lots has been improved on compared to its predecessor: It is now waterproof, charges faster, and it features a larger outer display and new camera system. Is this enough to keep up with the Galaxy Z Flip and co?
They also didn’t test the reduce flicker setting, which could make a difference.
Point being, if the industry gets better collectively then Apple will have to follow suit.
For what its worth, the Honor 200 Pro is 60Hz with an amplitude of 18.52% on its default setting:
www.notebookcheck.net
Honor 200 Pro review - Can an upper-class smartphone with 2D face recognition outshine its shortcomings?
The Honor 200 Pro is a high-end smartphone with the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8s Gen 3 and a 50 MP camera. Read our test report to find out whether the Honor phone is worth buying.
3.10. Comparison with 15 proFor what its worth, the Honor 200 Pro is 60Hz with an amplitude of 18.52% on its default setting:
Honor 200 Pro review - Can an upper-class smartphone with 2D face recognition outshine its shortcomings?
The Honor 200 Pro is a high-end smartphone with the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8s Gen 3 and a 50 MP camera. Read our test report to find out whether the Honor phone is worth buying.
Well, the good news is that the smartphone industry has admitted that there is a problem with current displays and eye comfort/headaches.
The bad news is that it’s still not an urgent issue that’s guaranteed to be solved anytime soon.
But I still think that even Apple has at least hinted at it in their keynotes.
The bad news is that it’s still not an urgent issue that’s guaranteed to be solved anytime soon.
But I still think that even Apple has at least hinted at it in their keynotes.
There’s immense inertia behind OLED screen manufacturing. Untold billions of dollars have been invested in factories to create these annoying monsters. As far as I know, OLED screens have to run on a frequency. They can’t function satisfactorily on DC. PWM is integral to their operation.
While future OLED screens might get their PWM frequencies and amplitude tweaked to minimize nervous system thrashing, the flickering will always be there to some degree.
Personally I don’t see an end to this. Basically, we’re screwed.
While future OLED screens might get their PWM frequencies and amplitude tweaked to minimize nervous system thrashing, the flickering will always be there to some degree.
Personally I don’t see an end to this. Basically, we’re screwed.
I am more optimistic. I just keep thinking that my LG OLED TV does not use PWM. It is possible, they just don't do it because they try to save energy consumption by all means possible.
I’ve began to accept this. It could be a long time before we can use modern smartphones again.
I don’t think it has to be this way and LG’s OLED TV is the perfect example, but admittedly I’m not sure there’s a single OLED smartphone I could use without getting the headaches and migraines that make it impractical.
No. For some people it has been since it’s possible slight adjustments to the frequency can be enough to be outside of their individual sensitivity, but there isn’t a real difference or improvement. In reality for me the 15 Pro at home and Pro Max in a store demo were just as unusable, even if I’ve tried to make my experience sound better than it is out of optimism.
I saw the HMD Skyline was released (in the style of the old Nokia Lumia phones), and went to look for some info.
The only thing I could find is here (in German): Specifications
From there:
Unfortunately, nothing else, no details
The only thing I could find is here (in German): Specifications
From there:
Unfortunately, nothing else, no details
And another one, the Xiaomi 14.
This person on YouTube, who previously had a video about PWM, says it's resolved issues for him, and that it has an option for full DC dimming.
Video at 5:55: Thank you, Xiaomi! No More OLED PWM Headaches & Migraines.
Now, I found some Russian review videos on the Xiaomi 14, and with that setting on, the reviewers were measuring about 25% across all brightness levels with the Radex 🤔
This person on YouTube, who previously had a video about PWM, says it's resolved issues for him, and that it has an option for full DC dimming.
Video at 5:55: Thank you, Xiaomi! No More OLED PWM Headaches & Migraines.
Now, I found some Russian review videos on the Xiaomi 14, and with that setting on, the reviewers were measuring about 25% across all brightness levels with the Radex 🤔
This is doubly annoying when looking around for phone carriers: usually there are better promotions for getting a new smartphone, but not knowing if it will cause constant and persistent headaches makes shopping almost impossible.
Nonetheless, this year I’m going to try to upgrade to an iPhone 16 Pro or a Motorola Razr+.
Nonetheless, this year I’m going to try to upgrade to an iPhone 16 Pro or a Motorola Razr+.
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