Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[1369281]

NotebookCheck.com confirms that iPhone XR is PWM free! So amazing!

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Apple-iPhone-XR-Smartphone.346776.0.html

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[Chuckitall]

Is anybody having burning eyes from use of the IP X during the day. I kept thinking it was dry air, but have felt on problem if I am not on the phone much?

 

[mritech]

Turn off that yellowish looking True Tone display and it will look like every other iPhone you had as far as the colors go

 

[user1234]

NotebookCheck.com confirms that iPhone XR is PWM free! So amazing!

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Apple-iPhone-XR-Smartphone.346776.0.html

Please support these guys!

Awesome! Finally confirmed

 

[zx128k]

NotebookCheck.com confirms that iPhone XR is PWM free! So amazing!

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Apple-iPhone-XR-Smartphone.346776.0.html

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any idea what this bit means ?

'It is gratifying that Apple remains true to its credo and relies on an LCD without pulse width modulation. However, this still dominates the True Tone function, so that the white balance of the display can be automatically adapted to the ambient light.'?

are they saying True Tone has something to do with PWM? might just be lost a bit in translation.

 

[user1234]

any idea what this bit means ?

'It is gratifying that Apple remains true to its credo and relies on an LCD without pulse width modulation. However, this still dominates the True Tone function, so that the white balance of the display can be automatically adapted to the ambient light.'?

are they saying True Tone has something to do with PWM? might just be lost a bit in translation.

Lost in translation. True tone is a software feature aided by a sensor. It does not add PWM.

 

[zx128k]

Lost in translation. True tone is a software feature aided by a sensor. It does not add PWM.

Thought so, wonder what it means then? I guess they will post proper translation soon.

 

[user1234]

Thought so, wonder what it means then? I guess they will post proper translation soon.

I have no idea what they mean. I don't know German but I tried translating to swedish using Google translator. This usually gives more sensible translations are the languages share some similarities but it didn't make any more sense

 

[ooloo]

I guess I am the minority of the minorities, but this morning I woke up with fatigued eyes. Similar feeling like I used to get the first days I got the X. Guess it wasn’t the flickering for me.

Maybe it’s just a placebo effect at this point, but have decided to stay back with my 8+.

Maybe your display is set too bright

 

[1369281]

Maybe your display is set too bright

I was thinking that earlier too. This display is much brighter than any I’ve used before. My brightness is currently at about 20% and it seems bright enough for me.

 

[rnbarg]

The zoom on the XR shows the same font size as the 8 plus without. Maybe a little bigger

it shows a bigger font than the 8+ but the text, despite being smaller on the Plus, is crisper and easier to read, at least for me.
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Well i see with the zoom function almost as much viewable content as on the 8 plus.

The narrower screen is better for one hand typing. About watching videos where most of them are 16:9 there is no notch involved

I take back what I said in an earlier post. With the zoomed display turned on the XR, a similar amount of content is visible on both devices depending on the application and in the case of Apple News, which news feed is being viewed. The font is also somewhat larger on the XR in Zoom mode vs the plus. Despite the larger font size, the text using a smaller on font on the 8+ is clearer to my eye and to several other people I showed the phones to one next to the other.

re: the videos, I played a 1080p YouTube video on both devices, something about King Kong and Godzilla. The video occupied a larger area on the 8+ and I could definitely see a greater level of detail on the 8+ vs the XR. Yes, the notch did not obscure any content.

All this is admittedly subjective and I freely concede others may experience the XR differently. The XR is still a great phone, but it's not for me.

 

[sddabrow]

I guess I am the minority of the minorities, but this morning I woke up with fatigued eyes. Similar feeling like I used to get the first days I got the X. Guess it wasn’t the flickering for me.

Maybe it’s just a placebo effect at this point, but have decided to stay back with my 8+.

Interesting, wonder how many other folks will have the same issue. Let us know what happens if you turn off FaceID

 

[stafil]

Interesting, wonder how many other folks will have the same issue. Let us know what happens if you turn off FaceID

Will do! Will take a break a few days to be 100% the headache/eye-pain is not just a coincidence and will try again with FaceID off and update.

 

[thadoggfather]

im so glad theres a non-PWM X-style phone now (XR) for people who have had eye issues in the past!

 

[RD207]

I ordered the product red XR today and went with the 128gb. I am hopeful this will be fine on my eyes.

 

[stafil]

Interesting, wonder how many other folks will have the same issue. Let us know what happens if you turn off FaceID

Btw. The flood illumination is still projecting light even if you turn off FaceID completely. I just tested it with my DSLR.

Next step is to block it completely with black tape, and see how my eyes will respond.

 

[northernbaldy]

So far, I’m finding the Xr easier on the eye

 

[user1234]

Btw. The flood illumination is still projecting light even if you turn off FaceID completely. I just tested it with my DSLR.

Next step is to block it completely with black tape, and see how my eyes will respond.

Are you sure it's not the proximity sensor? I have turned off attention aware features and if I record video of my XR waking it up, the flood comes on, but then I have a much weaker flashing IR light which I assume is the proximity sensor. It flashes while the flood is on too. Or maybe it's the dot projector?

Edit: it's not the dot projector. It's in the right, this flashing comes from the left side where the flood is, but it's much weaker and must be a separate light source since it flashes while the flood is on. I'm guessing proximity sensor. Not sure why is has to constantly flash though

 

[Tijdelijk]

Will do! Will take a break a few days to be 100% the headache/eye-pain is not just a coincidence and will try again with FaceID off and update.

How do you see the sensors at work using a DSLR??

 

[user1234]

How do you see the sensors at work using a DSLR??

You didn't ask me, but here's why:
DSLR's when in live view or video recording can usually pick up the IR since their IR filters let through this wavelength. Mirrorless or DLSR doesn't matter as long as the sensor is read live.

I checked with my old Android phone, which does not have a strong IR filter. The proximity sensor is always active, and seems to be flashing rapidly. I assume this can have an effect just as PWM can, but I'm not sure how flashing visible vs invisible light affects us. While on a phone call it seems to be on steady though until it detected proximity, where it started flashing again.

I confirmed it being the proximity sensor by making a phone call while recording video with my old phone. It was the only IR light emitted. I see absolutely no reason for this to constantly flash while using the phone. Its only needed when proximity aware features are in use, like for turning off the display when holding the phone to the ear. With attention aware features turned off there is no reason for this to be constantly flashing.

 

[RD207]

How do you see the sensors at work using a DSLR??

I’m a little apprehensive now about the sensor flashing even with awareness turned off.

Curious as to how long you used it before you noticed this was an issue for you? Days/hours?

Please report back on your findings, if tape over the sensor worked for you.

 

[Tijdelijk]

You didn't ask me, but here's why:
DSLR's when in live view or video recording can usually pick up the IR since their IR filters let through this wavelength. Mirrorless or DLSR doesn't matter as long as the sensor is read live.

I checked with my old Android phone, which does not have a strong IR filter. The proximity sensor is always active, and seems to be flashing rapidly. I assume this can have an effect just as PWM can, but I'm not sure how flashing visible vs invisible light affects us. While on a phone call it seems to be on steady though until it detected proximity, where it started flashing again.

I confirmed it being the proximity sensor by making a phone call while recording video with my old phone. It was the only IR light emitted. I see absolutely no reason for this to constantly flash while using the phone. Its only needed when proximity aware features are in use, like for turning off the display when holding the phone to the ear. With attention aware features turned off there is no reason for this to be constantly flashing.

The 8 plus is doing the same

 

[user1234]

The 8 plus is doing the same

That is interesting. Should not be an issue then since those sensitive to the X/XS tend to find the 8/8 Plus to be fine

 

[RD207]

That is good to know, as I been using an 8 for hours a day for months with no issues.

Does the XR have white point reduction options? I run my screen at low brightness indoors and at night.

 

[stafil]

You didn't ask me, but here's why:
DSLR's when in live view or video recording can usually pick up the IR since their IR filters let through this wavelength. Mirrorless or DLSR doesn't matter as long as the sensor is read live.

I checked with my old Android phone, which does not have a strong IR filter. The proximity sensor is always active, and seems to be flashing rapidly. I assume this can have an effect just as PWM can, but I'm not sure how flashing visible vs invisible light affects us. While on a phone call it seems to be on steady though until it detected proximity, where it started flashing again.

I confirmed it being the proximity sensor by making a phone call while recording video with my old phone. It was the only IR light emitted. I see absolutely no reason for this to constantly flash while using the phone. Its only needed when proximity aware features are in use, like for turning off the display when holding the phone to the ear. With attention aware features turned off there is no reason for this to be constantly flashing.

According to the diagram below it’s in the same position as the “flood illuminaror” or the proximity sensor. They are too close and to tell with confidence. But for sure not the dot projector.

Black electrical tape worked for me. And I tried on X not on XR. So I have been stupidly blaming the screen for no reason all the time.