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[CrazyForCashews]

It's the hardware.

Below is iOS 12 on both X and Xs Max.

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That's not a massive difference... at all. People keep saying that Face-ID on the XS and XS Max are much faster than the X but in reality it isn't. Sure it's faster, but by 0.4 seconds? 0.5 seconds faster?

There's a reason why Apple didn't call the Face-ID specs for the XS/Max as Face-ID 2.0, because it isn't 2.0. It isn't the same as Touch ID 1.0 and Touch-ID 2.0.

Face-ID 2.0 is definitely saved for the 2019 iPhones.

 

[nordique]

Gotta say i'm impressed with Face ID2 on my Xs Max. I have been a big critic of FID coming from iPhone 8 Plus to the X. Loved TouchID on all my previous iPhones.. FID never worked when I put sunglasses and a hat on.
But much to my surprise FID on the Xs Max is faster and works with my sunglasses and hat on outdoors.

It might be worth mentioning, that it's not Face ID 2

Apple didn't call it second gen face ID, nor do they advertise it as such. They always advertise "second gen ____" when they can, such as the butterfly keyboards or Touch ID, but there's a reason they just say its faster and not the second gen version of it.

Comparing it on my XS to my X (on iOS 12) its pretty much identical in speed. Theres a bunch of youtube videos that compare it, and its maybe a milisecond or two faster on the XS/Max devices but its not really much faster

Further, the actual Face ID tech is the same as last year's, and hasn't been updated. What they did say, is its faster because of the new neural engine algorithms and the new secure enclave, but not because its any new faster technology the way Touch ID on the 6s was the second gen version of the 5s/6 sensor.

This is just for clarification, because I think next year they will say "second gen face ID" and people might become confused.

Face ID is perfectly fine on iOS 12 though.
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I did side by side tests and the Max is about a second or 2 faster.

For the test, you have to do them individually and record the times because of the way Face ID works you can't do a proper side by side comparison. If you do side by side, you'll notice the X will open faster sometimes because of which phone you look at first - try it again independently and you'll see the same thing I can see, or every youtube video thats as compared them shows...the difference is maybe half a second at best but its really very similar. Yes the XS is faster...but not by 1-2 seconds...maybe a few milliseconds to half a second.

iOS 12 really sped up Face ID on the X
https://beebom.com/face-id-ios-12-faster/

 

[FFR]

Looks like someone got over the notch.....Thought I noticed a drop in rage coming from the 'Alt to IOS' threads.

Speed was one area Face ID needed tweaking. Now Apple needs to work on detection angle improvement & more often re-scan post-fails.

I was thinking the same thing.
It has become more civilized over there.

 

[OTACORB]

I was totally resistant to Face ID, but this is one of my favorite things about the Max... It is so darn convenient and no more having issues getting into my phone with damp or wet hands. That drives me nuts with my work 8 +.

 

[jamezr]

It might be worth mentioning, that it's not Face ID 2

Apple didn't call it second gen face ID, nor do they advertise it as such. They always advertise "second gen ____" when they can, such as the butterfly keyboards or Touch ID, but there's a reason they just say its faster and not the second gen version of it.

Comparing it on my XS to my X (on iOS 12) its pretty much identical in speed. Theres a bunch of youtube videos that compare it, and its maybe a milisecond or two faster on the XS/Max devices but its not really much faster

Further, the actual Face ID tech is the same as last year's, and hasn't been updated. What they did say, is its faster because of the new neural engine algorithms and the new secure enclave, but not because its any new faster technology the way Touch ID on the 6s was the second gen version of the 5s/6 sensor.

This is just for clarification, because I think next year they will say "second gen face ID" and people might become confused.

Face ID is perfectly fine on iOS 12 though.
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For the test, you have to do them individually and record the times because of the way Face ID works you can't do a proper side by side comparison. If you do side by side, you'll notice the X will open faster sometimes because of which phone you look at first - try it again independently and you'll see the same thing I can see, or every youtube video thats as compared them shows...the difference is maybe half a second at best but its really very similar. Yes the XS is faster...but not by 1-2 seconds...maybe a few milliseconds to half a second.

iOS 12 really sped up Face ID on the X
https://beebom.com/face-id-ios-12-faster/

not gonna argue semantics.......but...is the Xs the second gen X? They didn't call it that but I think that is how it is perceived. The Xs is the second gen of the X.....The Face Id on the second gen X is to me anyway the second gen of FaceID.
For me the FaceID on my Xs Max is a lot better than that on my X. It works with my sunglasses and hat on outdoors on my Xs Max where it did not on my X even with IOS 12....so it is not just software.

 

[Glideslope]

I don’t really think this is Face ID 2. I think it’s simply the same tech as last years X and they only touted it as faster is because the XS has a faster processor. They would have hyped it up more if they had advanced the tech.

iOS 12 made a noticeable difference on my original X.

It's faster due to the new 8 Core Neural Engine. Same Tech.

 

[JPack]

That's not a massive difference... at all. People keep saying that Face-ID on the XS and XS Max are much faster than the X but in reality it isn't. Sure it's faster, but by 0.4 seconds? 0.5 seconds faster?

There's a reason why Apple didn't call the Face-ID specs for the XS/Max as Face-ID 2.0, because it isn't 2.0. It isn't the same as Touch ID 1.0 and Touch-ID 2.0.

Face-ID 2.0 is definitely saved for the 2019 iPhones.

It’s at least twice as fast already. It’s the same kind of speed up we saw with Touch ID 2.0. Not sure what you were expecting.

 

[nordique]

not gonna argue semantics.......but...is the Xs the second gen X? They didn't call it that but I think that is how it is perceived. The Xs is the second gen of the X.....The Face Id on the second gen X is to me anyway the second gen of FaceID.
For me the FaceID on my Xs Max is a lot better than that on my X. It works with my sunglasses and hat on outdoors on my Xs Max where it did not on my X even with IOS 12....so it is not just software.

Yes, I see what you are saying. It is the "second generation" X, in that regard but that doesn't mean it has "second generation Face ID" - just to explain my point, and what others in this thread have also pointed out:

Was the iPhone 6 not the next gen iPhone from the 5s?

Was the iPhone 6s not the next gen iPhone from the 6?

Was the iPhone 7 not the next gen iPhone from the 6s?

The 5s and 6 used the same touch ID sensor.

The 6s used a new one, which Apple calls the "Second-generation fingerprint sensor built into the Home button"

The iPhone 7 (and 8) use the same "second generation touch ID sensor"

There is a distinction between Phone generation, and technology generation. Even with the XS we can see this, as Apple is calling the new neural engine "next generation" ... but not Face ID. They always advertise something as "next gen" if it is

My X reads my face with a hat and sunglasses. My XS is no different. Maybe the XS learns faster, perhaps thats why its worked quicker to detect your face but there must be some reason why your anecdote about Face ID on the X is not working in a hat and sunglasses ...that was the whole point of the neural engine they introduced last year (to learn what you look like over time)...they made a big deal about it in their keynote, and most people have had no issues with that, myself included... (unless they use certain types of sunglasses...no doubt the XS neural learning is better or superior this way, but the IR functionality itself hasn't changed, so it should work over time). I've had no issue with my Ray Bans at all. I am also in Canada where we wear toques in the winter and I wear different styles....I have never had an issue with Face ID on the X last year.

Now, if you completely reset your iPhone X to stock settings, it sets it back to "square one" and you'll need to retrain it

Regarding the sensor itself, it is the exact same Face ID camera that scans the face. The tech they used in the X last year, is the same tech in your XS Max, just as the touch ID sensor in the 5s and 6 were the same. The difference is it processes faster due to the new neural engine, and enclave. I believe most of it will be due to the newer, faster neural engine in the A12.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

It’s at least twice as fast already. It’s the same kind of speed up we saw with Touch ID 2.0. Not sure what you were expecting.

I guess you can say Face-ID on the XS/Max is twice as fast as Face-ID on the X, but the difference isn't as big and pronounced as it was with Touch-ID 1.0 and Touch-ID 2.0.

That clip you posted shows how similar both Face-ID implementations are. They're basically neck and neck, with the improved Face-ID on the XS/Max being just about a half second faster. Perhaps this is a testament to how well Face-ID was on the X and it being a first generation product.

 

[jamezr]

Yes, I see what you are saying. It is the "second generation" X, in that regard but that doesn't mean it has "second generation Face ID"

True but that doesn't mean it isn't either......

Like i said...second gen iPhone Xs and Xs Max....with second gen FaceID. Second gen doesn't have to be radically different. Just like the second gen Xs and Xs Max are not radically different from first gen iPhone X.
We can just agree to disagree

 

[Ralfi]

As I mentioned....I was not a fan of FID....but FID2 is better and faster. Still prefer TouchID to be honest though......

I lean toward Face ID. Over time, it'll hopefully surpass Touch ID in all aspects. In-screen Touch ID may be a secondary option on future iPhones, but unlikely.

I'm not sure what you're getting at

I think you do.

or maybe your reading comprehension needs work?

Once in a while yeah, but I think i'm good on this occasion.

Didn't mention the notch at all

I know!

 

[AppleHaterLover]

FID never worked when I put sunglasses and a hat on.

Hell even the police might not recognize you and you expected the iPhone to do that?

I don’t think there have been improvements to the hardware, if there were Apple would advertise them heavily.

 

[DiamonDecoden]

Never tried the first FI. I am liking FI 2 although sometimes it won't regonize me and I had to type in the code. Bah. I wish it had Iris scanning which worked Everytime.

 

[Squeak825]

True but that doesn't mean it isn't either......

Like i said...second gen iPhone Xs and Xs Max....with second gen FaceID. Second gen doesn't have to be radically different. Just like the second gen Xs and Xs Max are not radically different from first gen iPhone X.
We can just agree to disagree

It would be disingenuous to call it "second gen" when all of the sensors are the exact same, and the processing pathway is the same. It is just that the pathway is faster.

Second gen will be when the sensors put 50% more dots on your face, and can detect tilts (sideways).

 

[jamezr]

Hell even the police might not recognize you and you expected the iPhone to do that?

I don’t think there have been improvements to the hardware, if there were Apple would advertise them heavily.

Lol.... so why does it work better on the Xs Max than my X? Both have IOS 12. I even redid FaceID on the X just to be sure.

 

[jade]

Works perfectly for me in the dark.

I need to test it, but I have a theory it won’t be great fir darker skin tones.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

I need to test it, but I have a theory it won’t be great fir darker skin tones.

It doesn’t make a lot of difference since it’s throwing IR at you and that IR is reflecting back to the phone.

Apple wouldn’t release a racist feature that’s for sure.

 

[mi7chy]

It may be faster but is it more secure as far as false positives from non-family members? These are just a few from many by searching YouTube for "Face ID fail".

Even iris scanner differentiates twins...

 

[JPack]

It would be disingenuous to call it "second gen" when all of the sensors are the exact same, and the processing pathway is the same. It is just that the pathway is faster.

Second gen will be when the sensors put 50% more dots on your face, and can detect tilts (sideways).

How do you know the sensors are the same?

Even Apple calls the second-gen Face ID sensor on XS a different codename.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

It may be faster but is it more secure as far as false positives from non-family members? These are just a few from many by searching YouTube for "Face ID fail".

Saying it is not secure bechamel your lost twin brother may unlock it in the 1-1,000,000 he/she finds you sound alike a Mission Impossible plot.

I think there’s a Jason Bourne or Denzel Washington movie where they’re able to copy a fingerprint from a wall someone touched. So there’s that.

 

[JPack]

Lol.... so why does it work better on the Xs Max than my X? Both have IOS 12. I even redid FaceID on the X just to be sure.

The hardware isn't the same. Even Apple refers to Face ID 2.0 on the XS using a different codename in iOS 12.

 

[Plut]

I’m just starting to get used to FID. I think I will end up liking it better then TID. I wish it worked better when laying flat on a table or desk. I find myself leaning over it to try to get it see my face. Also I think they should get rid of the “swipe up to open”. It seems like an extra un-needed step. I think it should open as soon as it reads your face.

 

[Fernandez21]

Yeah, Face ID is quite a bit better, when laying in bed my iPhone X would never unlock, but my Xs Max works perfectly. It also seems to work at a greater range than the original.

 

[jamezr]

Yeah, Face ID is quite a bit better, when laying in bed my iPhone X would never unlock, but my Xs Max works perfectly. It also seems to work at a greater range than the original.

I noticed that too....it works from farther away. The Max works with my hat and sunglasses on when we are out hiking. My X never would work in those conditions...always had to use the PIN.

 

[Squeak825]

How do you know the sensors are the same?

Even Apple calls the second-gen Face ID sensor on XS a different codename.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/12/apple-face-id-faster-iphone-xs/

Phil Schiller attributed the faster Face ID performance to faster algorithms and a faster secure enclave. The various sensors powering Face ID remain the same: infrared camera, flood illuminator, proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, front camera, and dot projector.