iPhone X Face ID is crap....

[Raist3001]

I've seen videos and animated GIFs "proving" the point both ways.

Videos aside, I can clearly tell that FaceID is not as fast as the current Gen TouchID. That is not me rallying against FaceID. Just sharing my observations and real experience.

All I can say is that 2nd Gen TouchID gets to the home screen approximately just as fast as FaceID

I have my X and 7+ side by side and my 7+ always reaches the home screen faster. We are talking maybe a miliseconds faster. Not an issue, and certainly not a reason to believe FaceID is crap. I totally disagree with the OP's opinion. 2nd Gen FaceID will be awesome to behold.

if you discount the need to click the side button or tap the display. I'm discounting that because although I have always turned off Raise to Wake (sounds like a song from some Irish Fusion band?), if you have RtW enabled you'd only have to swipe up.

I have Raise to Wake disabled as well. No need for it since I can just tap the screen to wake my phone. It's about time apple

 

[Shanghaichica]

I will have to see how it fares over time but so far I’ve had zero problems with Face ID. It works and it’s fast enough.

 

[newellj]

Videos aside, I can clearly tell that FaceID is not as fast as the current Gen TouchID. That is not me rallying against FaceID. Just sharing my observations and real experience.



I have my X and 7+ side by side and my 7+ always reaches the home screen faster. We are talking maybe a second faster. Not an issue, and certainly not a reason to believe FaceID is crap. I totally disagree with the OP's opinion. 2nd Gen FaceID will be awesome to behold.



I have Raise to Wake disabled as well. No need for it since I can just tap the screen to wake my phone. It's about time apple

When you say that TouchID beats FaceID, are you including the time to tap the screen? If you are, I would agree.

 

[Raist3001]

When you say that TouchID beats FaceID, are you including the time to tap the screen? If you are, I would agree.

Yes I am including the tap since it is a step I must invoke before FaceID will unlock my phone.
So tap and Swipe up immediately. FaceID scans, I get the unlock animation and the home screen appears. This all happens in micro seconds of course.
With my 7+, I press the home button, TouchID scans my fingerprint and I am already on the home screen when I have just tapped on my X's display to wake the phone. We are talking milliseconds faster than FaceID.
Regardless, I love using FaceID and when I use my Wife's 7+, it seems like a step backward. FaceID can only get better

 

[newellj]

Yes I am including the tap since it is a step I must invoke before FaceID will unlock my phone.
So tap and Swipe up immediately. FaceID scans, I get the unlock animation and the home screen appears. This all happens in micro seconds of course.
With my 7+, I press the home button, TouchID scans my fingerprint and I am already on the home screen when I have just tapped on my X's display to wake the phone. We are talking milliseconds faster than FaceID.
Regardless, I love using FaceID and when I use my Wife's 7+, it seems like a step backward. FaceID can only get better

Fair enough. That's why I mentioned that I wasn't - but in real life, what you're doing is, well, more representative of real life. So, no disagreement on the overall results.

FWIW, I remember when I got a 6S and still had a couple of 6 iPhones. The difference blew me away. The 6es were gone very quickly. I expect that within one or two cycles Apple will be able to both improve the hardware and improve iOS so that it's easier to access with fewer gestures.

 

[Thierry ba]

I have found Face ID better than Touch ID in every possible way. It's faster, more convenient, more reliable, more secure, and utterly magical.

I feel sorry for anyone still stuck using Touch ID on their iPhone.

Do you unlock your phone like youre taking a selfie? Do you need to swipe to unlock your phone or not?

 

[MEJHarrison]

That's a good joke that Apple wants you to believe.
It's not that secure and can be foolled very easy. Any of your siblings or even total strangers that resemble you a little can unlock your device.
That is not possible with fingerprint technology.

I happen to think you're right... and you're wrong.

Who can unlock your phone with TouchID? Someone with similar fingerprints.
Who can unlock your phone with FaceID? Someone with a similar face.

Who has fingerprints that resembles yours? Total strangers.
Who has a face that resembles yours? Close family members.

I totally believe that FaceID is far more secure than TouchID. With that said however, you're far more likely to come across someone with a face that resembles yours than someone whose fingerprints resemble yours. Just because we're hearing more stories of people unlocking other phones does not means it's less secure. It just means they're having an easier time tracking down that 1-in-1,000,000 person than they are tracking down that 1-in-25,000 person. It's easier with FaceID because they already know the group most likely to beat the odds. You can't do the same with a fingerprint. There's no way to identify a group of people who are likely to have similar fingerprints. If that were the case, I suspect we would hear a LOT more stories about TouchID being defeated.

I'd say among close family members, TouchID is might be more secure than FaceID. But I'm not really as worried about close family members getting into my phone as I am total strangers. Among the general population, I still think FaceID is as secure as they claim it to be (until I see evidence suggesting otherwise). So I'm fine with my sister unlocking my phone if it's means I'm safer at work or if I loose my phone. I can manage my sister's access easier than I can a lost/stolen phone.

Finally, a personal anecdote: When my girlfriend's daughter got her 6s a couple years back, I had no problem opening it with my fingerprint. There's no blood relation at all between us. Still, our fingers are close enough that it worked. So there's your evidence that TouchID isn't the pinnacle of security either.

 

[newellj]

TouchID actually samples a surprisingly small (or at least, surprising to me) part of a fingerprint, so the odds of a plausible match are a lot better than you'd guess.

 

[mobiletech]

That's a good joke that Apple wants you to believe.
It's not that secure and can be foolled very easy. Any of your siblings or even total strangers that resemble you a little can unlock your device.
That is not possible with fingerprint technology.

Majority of test "proving" Faceid is not that secure usually include in the foot notes that it is not from trying a few times until it works; but rather a series of steps of entering the passcode then closing until it works and eventually will recognize a different face as gradual change.

However, finger print technology does not scan enough of your finger print for lets say forensic evidence. It is just a small part of your finger print... Yes its many points in a small area, but the chances of someone matching that small portion on one of the points of their finger is really high. Far higher than matching someone by chance in a crime scene or arrest. There are ways of unlocking a phone with the last fingerprint on the home button.

I had the 5s and 6+ and both failed daily more often than faceid. bad angles, mildly dirty hands, dirty home button, cuts have made touched fail. I got a launch day phone and so far sun glasses, hat, scarf and in the dark has not fooled it yet... and I can keep my damn gloves on, that alone trumps it.

 

[Applejuiced]

I happen to think you're right... and you're wrong.

Who can unlock your phone with TouchID? Someone with similar fingerprints.
Who can unlock your phone with FaceID? Someone with a similar face.

Who has fingerprints that resembles yours? Total strangers.
Who has a face that resembles yours? Close family members.

I totally believe that FaceID is far more secure than TouchID. With that said however, you're far more likely to come across someone with a face that resembles yours than someone whose fingerprints resemble yours. Just because we're hearing more stories of people unlocking other phones does not means it's less secure. It just means they're having an easier time tracking down that 1-in-1,000,000 person than they are tracking down that 1-in-25,000 person. It's easier with FaceID because they already know the group most likely to beat the odds. You can't do the same with a fingerprint. There's no way to identify a group of people who are likely to have similar fingerprints. If that were the case, I suspect we would hear a LOT more stories about TouchID being defeated.

I'd say among close family members, TouchID is might be more secure than FaceID. But I'm not really as worried about close family members getting into my phone as I am total strangers. Among the general population, I still think FaceID is as secure as they claim it to be (until I see evidence suggesting otherwise). So I'm fine with my sister unlocking my phone if it's means I'm safer at work or if I loose my phone. I can manage my sister's access easier than I can a lost/stolen phone.

Finally, a personal anecdote: When my girlfriend's daughter got her 6s a couple years back, I had no problem opening it with my fingerprint. There's no blood relation at all between us. Still, our fingers are close enough that it worked. So there's your evidence that TouchID isn't the pinnacle of security either.

No such thing as similar fingerprints.
I dont buy your "story" about your girlfriend daughter having the same fingerprints as you.
Fingerprints are unique to each individual.
Face characteristics are not and as we saw in many instances it unlocks with the wrong face.
That 1 in a million faces is pure bs. They didnt track down that 1 in a million person. They did it far easier and without going through that many. Keep buying whatever they're feeding you
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Majority of test "proving" Faceid is not that secure usually include in the foot notes that it is not from trying a few times until it works; but rather a series of steps of entering the passcode then closing until it works and eventually will recognize a different face as gradual change.

However, finger print technology does not scan enough of your finger print for lets say forensic evidence. It is just a small part of your finger print... Yes its many points in a small area, but the chances of someone matching that small portion on one of the points of their finger is really high. Far higher than matching someone by chance in a crime scene or arrest. There are ways of unlocking a phone with the last fingerprint on the home button.

I had the 5s and 6+ and both failed daily more often than faceid. bad angles, mildly dirty hands, dirty home button, cuts have made touched fail. I got a launch day phone and so far sun glasses, hat, scarf and in the dark has not fooled it yet... and I can keep my damn gloves on, that alone trumps it.

We all know that if the finger is wet or dirty it wont unlock but I rather have it not unlock than let just anyone get in.

 

[nviz22]

FaceID is a first-gen offering. Touch ID is much more refined, especially since it works with just a simple finger on the home button. I had my reservations before, but after using the X for about a month? FaceID works just fine.

 

[44267547]

FaceID is a first-gen offering. Touch ID is much more refined, especially since it works with just a simple finger on the home button. I had my reservations before, but after using the X for about a month? FaceID works just fine.

I think this is a fair statement. And I agree that touch ID had multiple generations of iPhones to mature and become more refined and was a staple for many being used to something so secure. Face ID is a new concept that will take time for those to adapt, but more will come around eventually.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I think this is a fair statement. And I agree that touch ID had multiple generations of iPhones to mature and become more refined and was a staple for many being used to something so secure. Face ID is a new concept that will take time for those to adapt, but more will come around eventually.

From what I’ve experienced so far I’d say Face ID is as good as Touch ID was in its first iteration.

 

[Geert76]

From what I’ve experienced so far I’d say Face ID is as good as Touch ID was in its first iteration.

but then again, the first TouchID iPhone (5S), 4 years ago, was about €450/$500 (based on a 64Gb model) cheaper then the first gen FaceID iPhone in 2017
So for me, personally, I expect much more (quality) from this 1st gen FaceID, considering the price difference of about $500 between the first gen TouchID and FaceID.

 

[MEJHarrison]

No such thing as similar fingerprints.
I dont buy your "story" about your girlfriend daughter having the same fingerprints as you.
Fingerprints are unique to each individual.
Face characteristics are not and as we saw in many instances it unlocks with the wrong face.
That 1 in a million faces is pure bs. They didnt track down that 1 in a million person. They did it far easier and without going through that many. Keep buying whatever they're feeding you


We all know that if the finger is wet or dirty it wont unlock but I rather have it not unlock than let just anyone get in.

So you're calling me a liar? Well, I don't buy that you're trying to add anything of value to this conversation. Goodbye.

 

[newellj]

FaceID is a first-gen offering. Touch ID is much more refined, especially since it works with just a simple finger on the home button. I had my reservations before, but after using the X for about a month? FaceID works just fine.

I think this is a fair statement. And I agree that touch ID had multiple generations of iPhones to mature and become more refined and was a staple for many being used to something so secure. Face ID is a new concept that will take time for those to adapt, but more will come around eventually.

TouchID was introduced in the 5S and for all practical purposes reached its current high level in the 6S, so really just two product cycles. I think you're both right, but I don't expect it will take Apple more than one or two product cycles to make FaceID work even better than it does now.

From what I’ve experienced so far I’d say Face ID is as good as Touch ID was in its first iteration.

Subjectively, I feel the same way. But then when I think about how I felt when I first tried a 6S, I wonder what second gen FaceID might be like? The 6S made the 6 and 5S seem intolerably, almost painfully, slow. If second gen FaceID accomplishes the same sort of gain, it will be really startling, in a good way.

 

[Raist3001]

The 6S made the 6 and 5S seem intolerably, almost painfully, slow.

LOL...just shows how impatient we can become over milliseconds

 

[nviz22]

From what I’ve experienced so far I’d say Face ID is as good as Touch ID was in its first iteration.

Some might consider it better than Touch ID because sweaty and wet fingers prevent Touch ID from working.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Some might consider it better than Touch ID because sweaty and wet fingers prevent Touch ID from working.

I’ve not been disappointed so far. I like the way you can quickly act on a notification from the lockscreen. The phone is already unlocked by the time you press on the notification and it takes you directly to the app and you can respond.

 

[newellj]

LOL...just shows how impatient we can become over milliseconds

And/or how relative performance is!

 

[mobiletech]

No such thing as similar fingerprints.
I dont buy your "story" about your girlfriend daughter having the same fingerprints as you.
Fingerprints are unique to each individual.
Face characteristics are not and as we saw in many instances it unlocks with the wrong face.
That 1 in a million faces is pure bs. They didnt track down that 1 in a million person. They did it far easier and without going through that many. Keep buying whatever they're feeding you
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We all know that if the finger is wet or dirty it wont unlock but I rather have it not unlock than let just anyone get in.

A quick google search proves you wrong.... maybe search before running your mouth.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fingerprints-infallible-evidence/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/why-your-fingerprints-may-not-be-unique/

 

[Applejuiced]

A quick google search proves you wrong.... maybe search before running your mouth.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fingerprints-infallible-evidence/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/why-your-fingerprints-may-not-be-unique/

You're quoting things from 2003?
Fingerprint tech has advanced a lot since 15 years ago.
Maybe after you search random things on google look at the date on what you're searching and trying to quote before running your mouth.

 

[Cervelo-Van]

I haven't had any issues you describe. FaceID works for me 99.9% of the time. Only seems to have issues if i try in really bright sunlight and the sun is on the screen. Thats the only time i have to move the phone higher.

My Powerbeats3, AirPods and Solo2 Wireless all work fine on Bluetooth.

Oh and Portrait is holding the phone in its normal use position. Landscape is horizontal but do agree some of the gestures are a bit clunky in Landscape.

I actually like the FaceID better than touch ID at the moment. I do a lot of outdoor work and at least now i don't need any "special gloves" to unlock it.

Same here, works great pretty much all the time. Took me all of 5 minutes to forget about the Home button.

 

[Raist3001]

OK, so a week into my iPhone X and I am noticing that many times now, once I tap on my X to wake and I swipe up, I will get a blank screen with the FaceID animation and the text (word) FaceID before the phone unlocks and I see the home screen. This definitely slows down FaceID. For the majority of times, I will tap to wake, swipe up and I am on the home screen.

Does this happen to anyone else?

 

[newellj]

OK, so a week into my iPhone X and I am noticing that many times now, once I tap on my X to wake and I swipe up, I will get a blank screen with the FaceID animation and the text (word) FaceID before the phone unlocks and I see the home screen. This definitely slows down FaceID. For the majority of times, I will tap to wake, swipe up and I am on the home screen.

Does this happen to anyone else?

I want to say yes, but a question or two. The blank screen is gray, correct? And is there only very briefly and then goes to the home screen? If yes, then yes, I get the same, but it's very fast. It's sort of like the system is trying to go faster than it can.

Assuming we're talking about the same thing, that put me off a bit for a while. I then looked more carefully at what happened when I unlocked my iPhone 7 with a fingerprint and although it didn't have the blank screen, the transition time to the home screen was about the same.