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Oops, I forgot to mention home screen. A landscape home screen. Memory ain’t what it used to be. I used to have a couple of the plus phones and couldn’t remember if they had a landscape home screen.
 
One has to wonder if Apple is now wishing they had done the iPad announcement last week with the watch and phones.

lackluster, per the analysts, sales at a pre order means nothing. they are going off how fast the shipping times do or do not move to the next time slot. so maybe it took 'forever' for this or that sku to 'sell out' because the sales were slow or maybe they had a ***** load of stock available to order and they will end up shorting the in store launch weekend stock on those SKUs

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I feel like I'm missing something on this FaceID thing. Surely they could just add a second set of the sensors that enable FaceID and embed them in the "top" long-edge face bezel.

IF they had to add hardware, and i'm not convinced they do, they would likely only have to add the sensor that reads the face. the 3d dots etc probably don't care about orientation. so two side by side Face Sensors, one for portrait and one for landscape. sort of like the way that 3D "in the camera" for movies is done by two cameras basically sitting side by side.
 
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IF they had to add hardware, and i'm not convinced they do, they would likely only have to add the sensor that reads the face. the 3d dots etc probably don't care about orientation. so two side by side Face Sensors, one for portrait and one for landscape. sort of like the way that 3D "in the camera" for movies is done by two cameras basically sitting side by side.


When you look at your iPhone X, Face ID implements the following steps:
  1. The flood illuminator detects your face.
  2. The infrared camera captures an image of your face.
  3. The dot projector casts 30,000 infrared dots on your face to create a model of it.
  4. The data from the infrared camera and dot projector is sent to the A11 chip for processing.
  5. The A11 chip compares this information with what it knows about you. The chip also carries a whole bunch of AI information to help accurate identification.
The hardware is designed to align to your face. It expects a portrait alignment for the 3d model creation. The 30,000 infrared dot scanners are face feature aligned. This allows it to learn additional facial "quirks" and feature changes but allows only one face per.
 
When every combination that I just now checked (mostly just white and gray for both sizes) for both phones are showing delivery by the first week of October, where they've been since since this past weekend, I think that tells us that pre-order sales aren't the typical sales that we all expect from an iPhone release. In fact, there were quite a few that could still be reserved at my closest Apple store which is in the Chicagoland area. In recent years, this is unheard of.
 
Face ID has support for landscape orientation (presumably for iPad only), and iOS 12.1 seems to care a lot more about whether an external display is connected (perhaps due to iPad USB-C rumors; it won't have the Lighting HDMI adapter as an intermediary for video-out)

From what I gather, landscape Face ID would require a realignment of the front-facing sensors, so you won't see it on existing hardware

So we will get faceID that will work in landscape also, and ipad will support external displays/monitors
 
The current rumored location of the smart connector is on the bottom by the lightning port, which is why I’m suggesting that Apple might be wanting us to use the new iPads in portrait mode only. I hope I’m wrong of course.

Yeah I'm skeptical too. From the get go I've been suspicious of the notion that the depression shown near the lightning connector in the CAD rendering is a relocated smart connector simply because it makes little sense to me to place two connectors immediately adjacent to each other. Using either one will impact the ability to use the other - for example docking to a newly designed ASK to work in portrait only mode using the supposed new smart connector would undoubtedly interfere with the ability to connect anything to the lightning port. Besides, expecting pro users to work in two apps side by side in portrait mode is ridiculous, the aspect ratios of the two windows is atrocious.
 
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I'm guessing you don't use 1Password or saved passwords in safari. Some websites require 2 touch ID unlocks to get the info filled in. Whenever I am going through and paying bills/budgeting on the iPad I'll end up doing 8-10 touch ID authentications - that would be super annoying to have to remove it from the keyboard and hold it up then put it back.

The only thing that would maybe save it is if they combined portrait face ID with apple watch unlock - if you unlock the iPad with your face then the watch being in range will auth the rest of the requests. But still, I'd rather just have Face ID that works in all orientations.
No I do use saved passwords and rely on them for work sites and such, and have to constantly do the password with Touch ID (which is super fast,) BUT my use case isn't like your's mine is much more free-form (if you would.)

I suppose I would have been happy about the iPad Pro 2, IF Apple hadn't been cheap and gave us thinner bezels on the 12.9" (like the 10.5") AND included a Haptic feedback home button. It's a large enough device to have had that in there and would have solved my home button issue.
But with the possible new design being completely screen I'll be even more happy. I most likely won't even use the Face ID very much, if I do, my use-case is drawing, writing, photography, film, and sketching so IF it doesn't do landscape unlock, I am good as I'm always lifting it and spinning it around anyway.




My apologies to you and anyone whose feathers I may have ruffled, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, I did find it kind of odd that so many had an issue with spinning a 1lbs device around when needed, BUT after thinking about it and your post... I get it now. Apologies again. :)

Kallum.
 
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Face ID has support for landscape orientation (presumably for iPad only), and iOS 12.1 seems to care a lot more about whether an external display is connected (perhaps due to iPad USB-C rumors; it won't have the Lighting HDMI adapter as an intermediary for video-out)

From what I gather, landscape Face ID would require a realignment of the front-facing sensors, so you won't see it on existing hardware

So we will get faceID that will work in landscape also, and ipad will support external displays/monitors
Sounds familiar...
https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/appl...-1-watchos-5-1-and-tvos-12-1-developer-betas/
 
Is it that FaceID only works in portrait, or that TrueDepth can recognize faces vertically but not yet horizontally? One would think that the 3D system would help make it more about the contours of the face overall than that they're in any particular orientation, but facial recognition has been known to be buggy.
 
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Is it that FaceID only works in portrait, or that TrueDepth can recognize faces vertically but not yet horizontally? One would think that the 3D system would help make it more about the contours of the face overall than that they're in any particular orientation, but facial recognition has been known to be buggy.

True depth and Matrix. Both currently expect a portrait aligned face.
 
they might not even need that. Face ID works by recording a facial analysis and saving it. then comparing the scan from an attempted unlock with the saved one. who's to say they couldn't write software that rotates the saved copy to match the orientation of the iPad and then do the comparison. perhaps they didn't do it for the phone because in their minds it's not a big deal to hold it portrait to unlock just like not being able to limit screen time on an iOS device etc wasn't a big deal for years[/QUOTE]

That's what I'm thinking. It doesn't make sense to embed sensors on all 4 sides on iPad which is what would be required. iPads get used in every direction. Its much easier and less costly to write software that can rotate the face image to match the initial facial scan.
 
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I still don’t get why so many are angry about this possibility and that they think it’s so difficult. To me EVEN IF it only unlocked in portrait... it’s a simple matter of lifting of a 1-pound device for 3 seconds. lol ;)


*or just don’t use it on your iPads since they wake up with smart covers.

A lot of people use their iPad Pro like a laptop, in landscape mode with a keyboard attached to the smart connector. I know it’s not heavy or anything, but imagine the stupidity of having to pick up your laptop and turn it sideways every time you wanted to use it.
 
This and more. Taking handwritten notes in long meetings and having to pick up the device off of the table to unlock it periodically would be distracting to everyone in the meeting. Not everyone has full control over how their device security settings behave, for me my company institutes strict screen timeout and lock settings that I cannot change simply because I have corporate email account setup on it.


What does this mean?
 
It means his iPad times out and locks in a certain amount of time (assume to be a very short period of time) of inactivity. Which is understandable for security reasons. At least that’s how I’m reading it.
 
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What does this mean?

It means his iPad times out and locks in a certain amount of time (assume to be a very short period of time) of inactivity. Which is understandable for security reasons. At least that’s how I’m reading it.

It’s not uncommon. Syncing my work email on my personal devices means that the devices MUST have certain security features active. I can’t deactivate passcode/TouchID on my phone or iPad even if I wanted to unless I remove my work email account first, and I’m just a school teacher!
 
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It’s not uncommon. Syncing my work email on my personal devices means that the devices MUST have certain security features active. I can’t deactivate passcode/TouchID on my phone or iPad even if I wanted to unless I remove my work email account first, and I’m just a school teacher!

Precisely. IT has the ability to dictate the available menu options for certain security settings on an iOS or Android device when an email account connection is set up on the device. In my case my company forces auto-lock to be set to 2 minutes and I am required to have a passcode (which means I can use TouchID to unlock), I cannot change this setting on my iOS devices unless I factory reset them and never use them for app based email access for work. Not a compromise I’m willing to make.
 
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Precisely. IT has the ability to dictate the available menu options for certain security settings on an iOS or Android device when an email account connection is set up on the device. In my case my company forces auto-lock to be set to 2 minutes and I am required to have a passcode (which means I can use TouchID to unlock), I cannot change this setting on my iOS devices unless I factory reset them and never use them for app based email access for work. Not a compromise I’m willing to make.
Thanks. Interesting.
 
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