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You actually ordered a scent - remember, the olfactory sense is the most primitive and possibly powerful sense of our senses - without having sampled or tested it?

The review was encouraging thats why i order it but it was shocking.
 
For something physical - which is subjective by definition - forget reviews and trust your own senses.

Bough this one for my mother without testing and it turn out to be her favorite, she really likes it and wants me to order her more soon. Try it if you have a chance its amazing. Screenshot_2019-09-19_195441.jpg
 
Bough this one for my mother without testing and it turn out to be her favorite, she really likes it and wants me to order her more soon. Try it if you have a chance its amazing.View attachment 859879

Your choice.

But, to repeat, I would never buy a scent, eau de cologne, eau de toilette, perfume of something of the sort, with testing and sniffing on wrist, and pulse points, and wherever else might be deemed appropriate to test such a thing.

Scent is too personal (and too powerful) to leave to chance or happenstance.
 
dousing themselves with perfume to cover the stench.

Ohhhhhh nooooo of course its not that 😸. Your scent says a lot about you, its one way many people express of their personality.

By the way.... smells/scents trigger memory and emotions big time exactly like music and pictures ...so watch out buddy :)

Sometimes i shed tears when i smells something that relates to my father(RIP) including his favourite perfumes.


 
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I’m reading miscellaneous stuff over my salad and came across a related article.

The worldwide fragrance, deodorant, antiperspirant business is an $80 billion a year industry.

Without looking it up, what’s your guess of the three main contributors to the price of fragrance?
 
I’m reading miscellaneous stuff over my salad and came across a related article.

The worldwide fragrance, deodorant, antiperspirant business is an $80 billion a year industry.

Without looking it up, what’s your guess of the three main contributors to the price of fragrance?
3. The cost of alcohol.
2. The cost of packaging, especially cool-looking glass bottles.
1. Advertising.
 
3. The cost of alcohol.
2. The cost of packaging, especially cool-looking glass bottles.
1. Advertising.

that’s pretty darned good. I do my best to drive up the cost on number 3 but it wasn’t on the list.

Rarity of materials was on there though so you were right there. Some fragrances are cheap synthetic lab products while others require like 30 dozen roses to make a small batch. Some fragrances use musk from animals and one used something from a sperm whale.

Some intentionally produce limited quantities to drive up the price on those willing to fork out the cash.

And yep packaging. Some bottles contain actual jewels.
 
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The alcohol is cheap. R&D is the driving factor. The cost for cool bottles goes down with each lot manufactured. The market for what people like also changes rapidly at some points. R&D is one of the most wasteful exercises in the scents market. Men and women may prefer soft scents for 3-4 years and then rapidly move onto floral, and once you think that the market will stagnate, public taste goes towards strong woodsy scents.
 
Unboxed items cost 20/30% less than the normal retail price its unbelievable.
This are my favourite websites, they are professional, reliable and delivery is safe and fast.

Fragrancex.com
Fragrancenet.com
 
The alcohol is cheap. R&D is the driving factor. The cost for cool bottles goes down with each lot manufactured. The market for what people like also changes rapidly at some points. R&D is one of the most wasteful exercises in the scents market. Men and women may prefer soft scents for 3-4 years and then rapidly move onto floral, and once you think that the market will stagnate, public taste goes towards strong woodsy scents.


How much of this is public taste, or a version of public taste driven by fashion, which is, in turn driven by marketing?
 
How much of this is public taste, or a version of public taste driven by fashion, which is, in turn driven by marketing?
I'd say a large portion is driven by public taste changing. Unless a scent today is formulated with the 1980s in mind, it simply won't come to market. Instead, select scents developed in the 1980s are still made today. However, a few have changed due to ingredients changing or being swapped out. Some people prefer an era of scent throughout their lives. An Italian firm reformulated a few of their famous scents some years ago and sales dropped. Old pre-change bottles go for princely sums. There's a men's scent from the early 1900s, if I recall correctly, developed and made in France that has remained the same. Eucalyptus is one of the ingredients.

Up until about two years ago a major trait in men's scents was sandalwood. That's fallen out of favor since then for agarwood, tar, and to an extent, leather. Public taste drives sales. You could rely on the same formula for decades and hope for sales. In those terms, Giorgio Armani's Gio has evolved because I believe they have developed various editions of their signature men's scent, the original. Developed during the soft scent period. A non-offensive period of very similar scents for men and women, regardless of whether it was $40 a bottle or $500 a bottle.

There's a sly joke about people who still wear Drakkar nowadays. It was, to me at least, a disgusting scent in the 1980s and still is today. Anyway, the joke has to do with people living in the past and thinking of the glory days instead of reality. Usually involves one nutter, and his two sons from one of his three shameful marriages. Donning ill fitting clothing, slicked back hair done up with what had to be used motor oil, and many other terrible but amusing oddities.
 
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I'd say a large portion is driven by public taste changing. Unless a scent today is formulated with the 1980s in mind, it simply won't come to market. Instead, select scents developed in the 1980s are still made today. However, a few have changed due to ingredients changing or being swapped out. Some people prefer an era of scent throughout their lives. An Italian firm reformulated a few of their famous scents some years ago and sales dropped. Old pre-change bottles go for princely sums. There's a men's scent from the early 1900s, if I recall correctly, developed and made in France that has remained the same. Eucalyptus is one of the ingredients.

Up until about two years ago a major trait in men's scents was sandalwood. That's fallen out of favor since then for agarwood, tar, and to an extent, leather. Public taste drives sales. You could rely on the same formula for decades and hope for sales. In those terms, Giorgio Armani's Gio has evolved because I believe they have developed various editions of their signature men's scent, the original. Developed during the soft scent period. A non-offensive period of very similar scents for men and women, regardless of whether it was $40 a bottle or $500 a bottle.

But what is driving that change in public taste?

Advertising and marketing?

Fashion (often prompted by advertising and marketing), and a desire to wish to be seen as 'modern' or 'hip' or 'cool'?

Costs - perhaps the ingredients of some of the older scent and perfumes may be thought too expensive (or insufficiently profitable) to make, hence it may be considered desirable to motivate customers and consumers to move away away from older, established fragrances.

And - yes, personal preferences, which may change, irrespective of marketing; as one matures ones personal preferences may indeed change.
 
But what is driving that change in public taste?

Advertising and marketing?

Fashion (often prompted by advertising and marketing), and a desire to wish to be seen as 'modern' or 'hip' or 'cool'?

Advertising and marketing don't portray scent. If you tell the average person the company swapped out elderberries for juniper berries, chances are they won't know what either one smell like. I know what they taste like on their own, albeit the latter in a juniper berry vodka... I couldn't tell you what they smell like.

Tastes change regardless of advertising. That is the driving factor. If advertising was capable of changing taste so rapidly then it would be argue that the entire industry is a cabal, yet working against each other, and those with bigger budgets could keep the market beholden to a particular style of scents.

In fact, it's the opposite. Smaller firms are usually the ones who change the market. Scents aren't advertised like other products and certainly not to the same extent.

Even old firms like Atkinsons retires and brings back scents from time to time when the market wants it. That's a 230 year old company.

It used to be in America that they'd send out brochures with a scented piece of paper of the scent being advertised. That practice stopped in the early 1990s, IIRC. Without physically going to a store, flipping through a fashion magazine that was aimed at a certain market, or handing out tester bottles or sample spritzer bottles, no one would know a company had a new scent on the market. It simply isn't something that's done. Word of mouth doesn't convert well when it comes to the scents market.

It's a difficult market to break into or keep afloat if it's your sole method of making money as a company. Alcohol sales are a million times easier.
Costs - perhaps the ingredients of some of the older scent and perfumes may be thought too expensive (or insufficiently profitable) to make, hence it may be considered desirable to motivate customers and consumers to move away away from older, established fragrances.
Except that isn't the case. They removed the cheap ingredients, retained the pricey ones, and reformulated the percentages of each dissolved compound. Sells for the same price.


Edit: To give you an idea of how harsh the market is, even if you spend million on advertisement per fiscal quarter...

It wasn't long ago that Creed, a company holding multiple royal warrants, only sold scents. Atkinsons the same. In the last five years alone both firms, known globally for their high quality scents, have expanded heavily to make up for lost sales because people in general don't wear scents as much as they used to and marketing simply doesn't help drive sales.


The marketing you're thinking of is akin to the late Alexander McQueen and the living Tom Ford's scents. Those sell simply because they were brought on later after a major clothing line had been establish. These are parasitic sales at best.
 
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LOL 😄 it was good on its days
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Who invented them ? Perfumes that is.
The modern dissolved stuff is within the last few hundred years. The Romans and Greeks were known for using plants with specific scents to act as a mask between bathing. At least if you weren't a commoner.

20 years ago I knew a guy who was a trader of the compounds present in high end scents. The ones that use naturally derived products. He handed me a bottle one day and explained what the extract oil I was holding was and what it was used in. He went on to tell me the bottle in its entirety would be used in a lot production of a few hundred bottles, and that particular bottle would cost the manufacturer several thousand dollars. That was one of the cheaper ingredients he showed me that day. I think it was kaffir lime or some cheap citrus.
 
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I’m reading miscellaneous stuff over my salad and came across a related article.

The worldwide fragrance, deodorant, antiperspirant business is an $80 billion a year industry.

Without looking it up, what’s your guess of the three main contributors to the price of fragrance?
Advertising, advertising and maybe packaging?
 
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