The same reason they feel it's ok to drop iOS 6 from iPad 1, iPhone, iPhone 3G and many iPod touches.
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The same reason they feel it's ok to drop iOS 6 from iPad 1, iPhone, iPhone 3G and many iPod touches.
So, for all of those that have given me grief saying Apple never claimed the Mac Pro to be a "64-Bit Machine" but that it could just run 64-Bit Applications...
Let me direct you to where you can hear it directly from Apples mouth at the WWDC 2006 Keynote when they introduced the machine.
Pay particular attention to the 9:00 - 10:00 minute section of video.....
Hummm.... What did he call it? A What ... A 64-Bit what!?!?
Between this video, the magazine advertisements Apple ran at the time and the archived webpages from Apple's website in 2006..... well they have a lot of explaining to do.
Here is the link to the keynote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l72MsGZQA8Q
I can not wait to hear how you all try to explain this one away.
Let me direct you to where you can hear it directly from Apples mouth at the WWDC 2006 Keynote when they introduced the machine.
Pay particular attention to the 9:00 - 10:00 minute section of video.....
Hummm.... What did he call it? A What ... A 64-Bit what!?!?
Between this video, the magazine advertisements Apple ran at the time and the archived webpages from Apple's website in 2006..... well they have a lot of explaining to do.
Here is the link to the keynote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l72MsGZQA8Q
I can not wait to hear how you all try to explain this one away.
It has a lot to do with internet use, productivity, software use, etc. Thus I'm locked out of future updates of Photoshop, Word, VueScan, iMovie, etc.
The 32 bit issue can be solved through a firmware update. There is no reason at all why the same 64 bit Intel processors can't run 10.8. Video drivers not all that much of an issue either, with an update to the GPU. Something faster and more powerful can be flashed for a an earlier Mac Pro.
But Apple likes to sell lots of hardware…expensive hardware. So your investment becomes unusable in about 5 years time. My last Mac I got 9 years out of it. Keeps getting shorter from where I stand, and I'm paying more to upgrade in a shorter amount of time. Meanwhile people with Windows machines are getting more out of their older computers without spending a bundle.
This is one reason I have a serious issue here with Apple.
I spent over $8000.00 on my configuration with Apple and now I have a machine that not only can no longer run the latest OS due to the lies about the hardware but now also it is worth less on the market. What just happend to resale values say on eBay when people realize they are buying a computer that can no longer be upgraded.
Cost averaged this machine now just cost me ($8000.00 / 6 years) = $1333.00 a YEAR for a machine that now is EOL.
I don't fricking think so.
This may be off topic, but still in the realm of suing. People should sue eBay & Paypal instead of Apple. That's all I have to say 
He said the Xeon processor was 64 bits.
The argument here is still is that nowhere does apple say that your MP isn't compatible with ML because of the 64 bit reason. If you can find that, then you might have something
#1: They call it a 64-Bit WORKSTATION. Watch the video between 9:00 and 10:00 minutes.
#2: The reason it is not compatible is because it is 64-Bit only and the 1,1 have a 32 bit firmware limitation.
#3: The machine can be HACKED to make it work proving the hardware can support it (modified) but the workstation is not a "64-Bit Workstation" as it stands delivered by Apple.
I don't want a "hacked" machine. I want one that is a 64-Bit Workstation, from Apple Directly, that will be supported with updates.
MacPro 64Bit
The machine *IS* 64bit. The 64bit drivers for the video card don't exist.
They probably won't be writing them for a 6+ year old video card.
The peripherals are the limitation not the machine. That is if you count the video as a peripheral.
The machine *IS* 64bit. The 64bit drivers for the video card don't exist.
They probably won't be writing them for a 6+ year old video card.
The peripherals are the limitation not the machine. That is if you count the video as a peripheral.
#2. Where does Apple say that? You take them to court, and they can tell you a million different reasons why they didn't support your MP other than the 64-bit reason.
All I hear is a small child crying.
Your username will be a fitting epitaph. If you can't figure out why this will fail yet, there's no use. You spent money on a machine that lasted 6 years.... where's the issue, again? You can't expect infinite support forever, but perhaps I'm just out of place in the "I deserve this" generation.
Your username will be a fitting epitaph. If you can't figure out why this will fail yet, there's no use. You spent money on a machine that lasted 6 years.... where's the issue, again? You can't expect infinite support forever, but perhaps I'm just out of place in the "I deserve this" generation.
ML is a moot point now. The fact that the machine has 32 Bit Firmware means the machine is not a 64-Bit Workstation.
Listen, there is no point trying to sell you fanboys on the idea that Apple might have misrepresented one of it products. They could set a citywide fire to Chicago and you justify their actions.
I will let their legal dept decide if they feel fixing the problem with me directly is a better decision then explaining it to a jury.
Simple.
My username is a play on the fact that I am a serious Investor in the Silver market. I am a 42 year old system engineer that happens to hold a D.Sc in Computer Science. I am no kid.
Cost averaged the $8K I spent on the system over 6 years is $1333.00 a year for something that now is no longer going to be supported.
That is total BS. They COULD have provided a solution for us but decided it was easier to toss us aside and hope we buy more hardware.
I am sorry, but these days things are built to where they last for years. I expected to get 10+ years of good use out of this platform... Apple decided we only should have 6. That is BS. They lied about it being a 64-Bit workstation.
You show me another vendor that sold their highest end computer as a "64 Bit Workstatiion" where is was only PART 64-bit..... SHOW ME.
The bottom line is they told me I was buying a 64-Bit Workstation and now when their OS happens to REQUIRE a 64-Bit system mine doesn't work.
I am leaving this thread except for occasional updates as things move along with Apple and I give updates. I can not handle the lack of logic with the Apple boot lickers any longer.
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Let me direct you to where you can hear it directly from Apples mouth at the WWDC 2006 Keynote when they introduced the machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l72MsGZQA8Q
9:00 - 10:00 minutes into the video....
"A 64-Bit Workstation"
Says it all. Apple F-ed us.
So you know what machine I'm currently reading and replying to this thread on? A nearly 10 year old iBook g4. Still totally functional as advertised, still the same machine i paid $1500 for. And it only runs 10.5.8 Leopard. Gee, since leopard ran on intel machines too, then snow leopard should run on my ancient PPC platform, right?
****** off, and at least admit that you're pissed off because the company did exactly what you should have expected them to do if you were a reasonably intelligent human being.
PS: Creating the amoulay and rendevouspoo accounts to fake supporters doesn't make you more credible or gain you any sympathy.
****** off, and at least admit that you're pissed off because the company did exactly what you should have expected them to do if you were a reasonably intelligent human being.
PS: Creating the amoulay and rendevouspoo accounts to fake supporters doesn't make you more credible or gain you any sympathy.
I didn't create any accounts.
Also, are you saying I should EXPECT them to lie about the products the sell? How can you seriously tell me that APPLE did not say in their KEYNOTE PRESENTATION in 2006 that it was a "64-Bit Workstation"? !??!?!?!?! Did I cross into the Twilight Zone here or something?
I never really saw it until now, some of you people really are like Zombies when it comes to Apple. Hell, I have only seen madness like this with politics and yet even THAT is not THIS blind.
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OP, you do realize that regardless of whether your complaints are valid or not; you are discrediting yourself by discussing this on a public forum?
Just saying.. Might want to get your claim filed before jumping up on the soap box. Historically, it doesn't help your odds in court.
Just saying.. Might want to get your claim filed before jumping up on the soap box. Historically, it doesn't help your odds in court.
You don't care about the 64-bit thing. Stop hiding behind, "Apple lied!!!" and just say it. Just say, " I am mad that Apple has stopped supporting my 6 year old machine!!! I am entitled to Mountain Lion."
Even if you could upgrade to ML, you would be suing Apple for 10.9 if that is when they dropped supporting your 6 year old machine. I am glad you're getting it out of the way now.
You shouldn't expect them to lie about the products they sell, but you should expect them to try to sell more of their products. One way they could do this is a classic business strategy of planned obsolescence. Looks like you and I both got hit by that one - I can't run crysis on my iBook, even though it was marketed as a powerful laptop, and you can't run ML on your Mac Pro, even though it was marketed as a 64 bit processor. Just because you paid a lot of money doesn't mean that your computer should last forever.
Apple didn't lie. The machine is 64-bit. The CPU's are 64-bit. Just because of another hardware limitation, it is limited to running on a 32-bit kernel.
Oh nice editing out what the video actually said.
"A 64-Bit Workstation"
It said, ""A Xeon 64-Bit Workstation". Referencing the Xeon's are 64-bit......
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If you've had this machine for six years, why are you only now determining that it fails to meet your needs? What does the machine fail to do? What utility are you unable to obtain? If the sole "damage" is that you cannot run Mountain Lion, then you will not win. What performance problem does the firmware create? What does the machine fail to do?
Not to jump on the wagon here, but where in their documentation did they ever state, as you put it, a "Fully operation 64-bit operating system" ?...which by the way doesn't make sense. I hope you are hiring an underwriter and not doing this yourself
If your knowledge of law is anything like your knowledge of tech, you will be laughed out of court so fast it will make your head spin. Do you even know what EFI is? Based on your comments, you dont have the slightest clue. Its an interface between the hardware and OS, but its biggest component(and why you cannot use it with ML) is the boot loader, which is basically what loads the OS from storage when you boot. The difference between 32 bit and 64 bit EFI is that 64 bit can load 64 bit kernel modules directly, no need to go through a 32 bit kernel to load the 64 bit kernel, greatly simplifying(and speeding up) the boot process. After the machine is booted however, the difference in the EFI is meaningless, meaning that after boot you can boot into a complete 64 bit environment, with access to terabytes of memory address space etc.
In the keynote you linked to attempting to prove your point, he simply said that the processor is 64 bits, which is true, and the mac pro will continue to be able to run 64 bit operating systems and processes, provided the OS has 32-bit bootloaders. In order to even have a chance you would have to prove that Apple willfully lied about having a 64-bit EFI(they didnt) and/or that Apple made a promise that no 32-bit bootloaders were needed for the system(they didnt).
So yeah, before you go opening yourself up to ridicule and legal bills, you should at least learn something about technology. You may think you know stuff, but you really dont.
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