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quagmire

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^^^

Which is why I say it's all a ruse. He's just mad that he can't upgrade to Mountain Lion. He doesn't care about the whole 64-bit thing. He could know the EFI is 32-bit and and be able to upgrade to ML and he wouldn't be suing Apple most likely. But the fact that he can't upgrade he is using the discovery of the 32-bit EFI to mask his anger over not being able to upgrade to Apple lied to him about his system not being 64-bit.....
 

paulrbeers

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My username is a play on the fact that I am a serious Investor in the Silver market. I am a 42 year old system engineer that happens to hold a D.Sc in Computer Science. I am no kid.

Cost averaged the $8K I spent on the system over 6 years is $1333.00 a year for something that now is no longer going to be supported.
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For someone who is a "serious investor", you seem to be complaining a lot over an investment you made 6 years ago for ONLY $8,000. I mean $8,000 in silver prices is what 1/4 of a bar?

Maybe you should just ask your brother the high powered attorney to loan you some cash to make up for your $8,000 loss....

If I had the cash to be a "serious investor" in silver, I would have a lot better things to do then spend my day in a forum discussing how I am suing Apple....
 

basesloaded190

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I never understand what "damages" the OP was going to claim. I'm not a lawyer, but have taken my share of political science classes and I always though that in a civil case you needed to prove damages. The OP doesn't have any besides being upset he can't run ML.
 

Jagardn

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Apr 18, 2011
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^^^

Which is why I say it's all a ruse. He's just mad that he can't upgrade to Mountain Lion. He doesn't care about the whole 64-bit thing. He could know the EFI is 32-bit and and be able to upgrade to ML and he wouldn't be suing Apple most likely. But the fact that he can't upgrade he is using the discovery of the 32-bit EFI to mask his anger over not being able to upgrade to Apple lied to him about his system not being 64-bit.....

Bingo. Wants to sue because he can sue. He is the representation of what is wrong with this country. I have an old HP computer with a 64 bit processor that can't run Windows 7, I should probably sue them. He "expected" his Mac Pro to last him 10 years, Apple never promised him that, He just feels entitled to it. Come to reality, computers get old and become obsolete.
 

foidulus

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Jan 15, 2007
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For someone who is a "serious investor", you seem to be complaining a lot over an investment you made 6 years ago for ONLY $8,000. I mean $8,000 in silver prices is what 1/4 of a bar?

Maybe you should just ask your brother the high powered attorney to loan you some cash to make up for your $8,000 loss....

If I had the cash to be a "serious investor" in silver, I would have a lot better things to do then spend my day in a forum discussing how I am suing Apple....

I now realize that he's full of it, he claims to have a doctorate in computer science but has shown he is incapable of understanding even the most basic technical concepts, we have all been feeding a troll.
 

lucidmedia

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Oct 13, 2008
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It has been mentioned several times here that the MacPro was a poor "investment"... of course it was... no computer is a good investment, it is a business expense.

Like many professional users who require a mac Pro, my expectation is that the machine has a useful life of 2 - 3 years tops... far SHORTER than I would expect from consumer level technology. When a new macPro comes out you roll over the old one and write off as much as you can of the new one. It is the cost of doing business.

Just because it was more expensive "back in the day" does not mean it will last any longer than any other type of technology. I paid more than $12,000 for my Mac IIfx back in 1990. That machine was unusable long before 1996.

When I bought my Mac Pro 1,1 I was aware the kernel ran, by default, at 32bit. It was common knowledge.

If you load your macPro 1,1 with software and an operating system from 2006 it is just as functional as it ever was. The fact that today the MacPro 1,1 is slower than a new Macbook Pro laptop is irrelevant. As computers get faster the software requires more of that processing power. No computer manufacturer can see into the future and guarantee any type of compatibility. You buy the computer you need right now. You can, legally and ethically, expect no more of it..

How do you define damages in the context of things you cannot do? How has not being able to run an OS that has been on the market for less than 24 hours affect your business?

This suit strikes me as trying to sue Ford because your 1967 mustang does not have airbags and they claimed at the time that the car was the "safest on the road".
 

amoulay

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Jul 24, 2012
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The same reason they feel it's ok to drop iOS 6 from iPad 1, iPhone, iPhone 3G and many iPod touches.

again either u are missing the point or you are daning around the table. It has nothing to do with iOS6 and smartphones/tablets, these are mere gizmos and gadgets; MacPro is a professional and expensive machine. I own a $100 iphone 4, and I am not pissed at apple I don't have Siri, I don't give a cent about Siri.

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So, for all of those that have given me grief saying Apple never claimed the Mac Pro to be a "64-Bit Machine" but that it could just run 64-Bit Applications...

Let me direct you to where you can hear it directly from Apples mouth at the WWDC 2006 Keynote when they introduced the machine.

Pay particular attention to the 9:00 - 10:00 minute section of video.....

Hummm.... What did he call it? A What ... A 64-Bit what!?!?

Between this video, the magazine advertisements Apple ran at the time and the archived webpages from Apple's website in 2006..... well they have a lot of explaining to do.

Here is the link to the keynote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l72MsGZQA8Q

I can not wait to hear how you all try to explain this one away.

BINGO, good job, the video hits the nail in da head. Lucky it was not the deceased Steve Jobs who uttered the magic word 64 bit, or else how can we bring him as a witness. This is fantastic lawyer research and investigation... to all the nah nah nah appleboys here, on your face.

Case closed in favor of all of us the 1,1 owners. Apple: you better settle, you will settle. See you in court.

And I join your remark: if 1,1 can be hacked into launching ML, Apple should be able to implement something that looks like the hack into ML, after all, it's just code zeroes and ones. And like you, I want a legit ML with appropriate code, not some instable hack code that will prevent me from future updates or will time me to god knows what in the future.

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It has a lot to do with internet use, productivity, software use, etc. Thus I'm locked out of future updates of Photoshop, Word, VueScan, iMovie, etc.

The 32 bit issue can be solved through a firmware update. There is no reason at all why the same 64 bit Intel processors can't run 10.8. Video drivers not all that much of an issue either, with an update to the GPU. Something faster and more powerful can be flashed for a an earlier Mac Pro.

But Apple likes to sell lots of hardware…expensive hardware. So your investment becomes unusable in about 5 years time. My last Mac I got 9 years out of it. Keeps getting shorter from where I stand, and I'm paying more to upgrade in a shorter amount of time. Meanwhile people with Windows machines are getting more out of their older computers without spending a bundle.

Exactly, I agree with you 100%. I own a 10 year old expensive $2500 Dell, it never let me down, still kicking, with the latest Win 7, latest Office etc. When I bought $3000 Mac Pro, first I was told it's a 64 bit machine, so I thought this one will last even longer, at least 10 years, look where we are now apple tells me it's obsolete, come and buy a new MacPro, if I do, 4 years from now, Apple will again tell me obsolete....

Someone needs to straighten it up with Apple once and for all.

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He said the Xeon processor was 64 bits.

The argument here is still is that nowhere does apple say that your MP isn't compatible with ML because of the 64 bit reason. If you can find that, then you might have something

here is something I found online, read below. I am not a mac geek, but I understand there is a difference between 64bit and EFI64.

*There are two things that prevent 10.8 from installing on a MacPro 1,1. The first is the lack of EFI64. Mountain Lion as has no support for 32bit kernel and extensions so it will not boot. This is true of many early Intel macs… The other thing is that checks are made by the installer; against a supported machines list. If your mac isn’t on the list, it refuses to install...*

But the video from you tube shows clearly that, as far as the 64bit issue, Apple was deceiving and misleading the naive and gullible us, who run in flocks to get the first MacPro....

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So you know what machine I'm currently reading and replying to this thread on? A nearly 10 year old iBook g4. Still totally functional as advertised, still the same machine i paid $1500 for. And it only runs 10.5.8 Leopard. Gee, since leopard ran on intel machines too, then snow leopard should run on my ancient PPC platform, right?
****** off, and at least admit that you're pissed off because the company did exactly what you should have expected them to do if you were a reasonably intelligent human being.

PS: Creating the amoulay and rendevouspoo accounts to fake supporters doesn't make you more credible or gain you any sympathy.

amoulay ID, which is mine, has nothing to do with Silvertard, which belongs to Silvertard, two different individuals, all you have to to distinguish us is read carefully, if you compare, you can see our styles are different, that if you can read at all...

But Silver and are teaming us real hard to bring down your mamma apple soon, pretty pretty soon. With the video from youtube, I can assure you that the thief has been caught with the hand in the victim's pocket
 

SilverTard

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Jul 18, 2012
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I never understand what "damages" the OP was going to claim. I'm not a lawyer, but have taken my share of political science classes and I always though that in a civil case you needed to prove damages. The OP doesn't have any besides being upset he can't run ML.

It is very simple. I made the decision to purchase a Mac Pro at the time after Apple announced they went to Intel. Knowing that I would be able to also run Windows/Linux/Etc in VMs I thought it would make a good investment. I selected the Mac Pro because of it being a 64 bit system as a primary point. I was aware at the time that there was a 32-bit OS and assumed (correctly) Apple would eventually move toward a 64-Bit OS environment.

Apple now moves to a 64-Bit only OS and I of course wanted to run it on my 64-Bit workstation. Well, the machine CAN run the OS (if you hack it) but Apple took the easy way out and didn't work out a way to support the Original 1,1 machines. Because of the 32-bit EFI it will not work. No matter how you cut it the machine is not a true 64-Bit platform. It is PARTIALLY a 64-Bit platform and PARTIALLY a 32-Bit platform.

They represented it as a 64-Bit Workstation.... period.
 

dukebound85

macrumors Core
Jul 17, 2005
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It is very simple. I made the decision to purchase a Mac Pro at the time after Apple announced they went to Intel. Knowing that I would be able to also run Windows/Linux/Etc in VMs I thought it would make a good investment. I selected the Mac Pro because of it being a 64 bit system as a primary point. I was aware at the time that there was a 32-bit OS and assumed (correctly) Apple would eventually move toward a 64-Bit OS environment.

Apple now moves to a 64-Bit only OS and I of course wanted to run it on my 64-Bit workstation. Well, the machine CAN run the OS (if you hack it) but Apple took the easy way out and didn't work out a way to support the Original 1,1 machines. Because of the 32-bit EFI it will not work. No matter how you cut it the machine is not a true 64-Bit platform. It is PARTIALLY a 64-Bit platform and PARTIALLY a 32-Bit platform.

They represented it as a 64-Bit Workstation.... period.

Unless Apple explicitly stated that your machine will still be receiving OS updates after 6 years, you are out of luck.

Furthermore, Apple has NEVER stated that the 32bit efi was the case for the 1,1s for not being able to run it. That is just what has been said by everyone but apple. Show me where apple states this

Furthermore, the fact that the efi is 32bit is hardly breaking news. Why not start the lawsuit back then if you are so uppity about it not being 64bit?

You are just bitter about not being able to install the OS. This has NEVER been about 64bit. This has been about wanting to install ML and trying to grasp onto straws to reason a ridiculous lawsuit that you WILL lose due to the above mentioned points.

The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will get over it
 

SilverTard

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Jul 18, 2012
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Unless Apple explicitly stated that your machine will still be receiving OS updates after 6 years, you are out of luck.

Furthermore, Apple has NEVER stated that the 32bit efi was the case for the 1,1s for not being able to run it. That is just what has been said by everyone but apple. Show me where apple states this

Furthermore, the fact that the efi is 32bit is hardly breaking news. Why not start the lawsuit back then if you are so uppity about it not being 64bit?

You are just bitter about not being able to install the OS

The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will get over it

Simple question in court:

Does the 32-Bit EFI prevent ML, which requires 64-Bit, from operating?

It clearly does. Also go read the dev forum areas and all the post from before the release. Oh they know it was the 32-Bit EFI and they do discuss it. I keep finding more and more by the hour.
 

dukebound85

macrumors Core
Jul 17, 2005
19,160
4,152
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Simple question in court:

Does the 32-Bit EFI prevent ML, which requires 64-Bit, from operating?

It clearly does. Also go read the dev forum areas and all the post from before the release. Oh they know it was the 32-Bit EFI and they do discuss it. I keep finding more and more by the hour.

Another simple question in court:

Where did Apple state that they will continue to support your computer 6 years or more after purchase, even if the machine is capable of technically running it?

and a simple followup,

Where does Apple state that the 32bit EFI is the reason why the 1,1 MP are unable to run 10.8?

There is NOTHING illegal about forced obsolescence. Even if the 1,1 had no 32 bit parts, they could still say they didn't want the 1,1 to be able to run it
 

amoulay

macrumors member
Jul 24, 2012
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Unless Apple explicitly stated that your machine will still be receiving OS updates after 6 years, you are out of luck.

Furthermore, Apple has NEVER stated that the 32bit efi was the case for the 1,1s for not being able to run it. That is just what has been said by everyone but apple. Show me where apple states this

Furthermore, the fact that the efi is 32bit is hardly breaking news. Why not start the lawsuit back then if you are so uppity about it not being 64bit?

You are just bitter about not being able to install the OS. This has NEVER been about 64bit. This has been about wanting to install ML and trying to grasp onto straws to reason a ridiculous lawsuit that you WILL lose due to the above mentioned points.

The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will get over it

talking the appleboys out of their unconditional support for Apple (however misleading and deceiving apple is) is like selling the public health option to the tea party junkies. I know why: most of you appleboys own all generations of ipad and iphone and ipods etc, and you are afraid if Apple goes down, you will be left behind, orphans, no more iphone or ipads to play with, no more apple stres to overnight near waiting for the latest gizmo.....
 

dukebound85

macrumors Core
Jul 17, 2005
19,160
4,152
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talking the appleboys out of their unconditional support for Apple (however misleading and deceiving apple is) is like selling the public health option to the tea party junkies. I know why: most of you appleboys own all generations of ipad and iphone and ipods etc, and you are afraid if Apple goes down, you will be left behind, orphans, no more iphone or ipads to play with, no more apple stres to overnight near waiting for the latest gizmo.....

Far from an "appleboy" if you have been around these forums. I am as quick to throw apple under the bus as praise them if it warrants it

This whole thread is based on a sense of entitlement (and whining about it) that was never stated or implied by Apple at the time of purchase
 
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