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Got a 15 Pro coming on Friday. I was set to wait for the Google Pixel 8 to but I've made my mind up.

Google haven struggled to convince me with the 6 and 7 by showing a lack of care towards their hardware.

Apple is delivering a lighter pro this year which was one of my big issues with the 14 Pro. Now we have a small phone that has macro, standard and telephoto lens. A excellent built device with FaceID that blows away Google's poor attempt at under screen scanner.

Wife is gonna be mad, the only way to convince her is by sticking with the 15 Pro long term.
 
Bottom line, Win11 is more modern, prettier, and more usable than MacOS. The UI in MacOS has not been properly updated in well over 10 years. Pathetic.
I think the UI for MacOS could certainly use a facelift, but with that said I find the UI and UX of windows 11 to be an inconsistent hodgepodge. Do you use the control panel or do you go to the settings app?

The start menu (unaltered) is all but useless. MS has yet to update their icons consistently, Windows 11 still has elements from prior versions of windows, all of the way back to windows 3.1

While I prefer windows, MS is consistently inconsistent when they try to update the UI and UX
 
Do you use the control panel or do you go to the settings app?
I use the setting app most of the time, but the old control panel is still useful for a lot of things.

The start menu (unaltered) is all but useless. MS has yet to update their icons consistently, Windows 11 still has elements from prior versions of windows, all of the way back to windows 3.1
I don't have a problem with the start menu and I don't really mind icons not changing much, it's easier to find what I need.
 
The start menu (unaltered) is all but useless. MS has yet to update their icons consistently, Windows 11 still has elements from prior versions of windows, all of the way back to windows 3.1


While I prefer windows, MS is consistently inconsistent when they try to update the UI and UX
Start menu is a relict from times before system-wide search was introduced.

I can't think of any situation where I would search for any function or program via a menu.

Same for the launchpad ect on macOS.
and although the taskbar in win 11 is less functional than in old versions, it is 10x more useful than the dock in macOS
 
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I think the UI for MacOS could certainly use a facelift, but with that said I find the UI and UX of windows 11 to be an inconsistent hodgepodge. Do you use the control panel or do you go to the settings app?

The start menu (unaltered) is all but useless. MS has yet to update their icons consistently, Windows 11 still has elements from prior versions of windows, all of the way back to windows 3.1

While I prefer windows, MS is consistently inconsistent when they try to update the UI and UX
I get what you are saying. However, it does not affect me as I use Start11. I make the menu the way it SHOULD be, Win7 style and then get on with my life. Yup, Control Panel all the way :) I would probably find Windows 11 unusable without Start11. Best $5 I ever spent.
 
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I get what you are saying. Howebver, it does not affect me as I use Start11.
Oh I do too, but even then I just click on the start button and start typing. I can't remember the last time I needed to navigate the start menu. To me that just screams horrible design.
 
Why not keep them around? They're obviously still useful.
Its a level of inconsistently. MS sets up a new method of managing settings, and now there's two ways. Its confusing and can lead to issues. Do you go to settings to uninstall an app? Do you go to control panel to manage users?
 
Do you go to settings to uninstall an app?
It depends on what else I'm doing, but for that, control panel and settings are equally effective.

Do you go to control panel to manage users?
Never. Nor go I go to settings. Right click on the start menu, "Computer management".

I really don't see any problem in being able to do something multiple ways. Experience level and how long a person has been doing something dictates what they are most comfortable with. Since I use a bunch of different ways and OS's to do things I just use whatever comes to mind first. :)
 
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Not sure whether I’ve ‘flipped’, or ‘flopped’? BUT. After a much needed tidy up of my room, which was chaos. Space is now a premium. I look at the size of my PC desktop, and the amount of room it takes up, is a bit too much. It’s been decommissioned for the time being.



I decided to set up my Mac mini, with a few essential peripherals. It’s small footprint, cool and quiet operation, lower power load, meaning cheaper to run, is just charming.



Couple of observations, I think Scrivener is better on a Mac. And when trying to record my guitar into the PC I did have some trouble, when I plugged the guitar into the Mac, it was pretty much hassle free.



My little M2 mini will handle my basic music needs fine, and it will punch above it’s weight with video editing. I’ve fallen in love with my Mac again.



I have no issues with PC’s, I like to use them too. But I have an odd setup. I’m doing things in a way many would see as backward. I want a Mac mini for my desktop, and a PC laptop. Most people would say, the Apple laptops are much better, well they are also much more expensive. I have a relatively inexpensive, but also quite good PC gaming laptop, which I mostly use if I watch TV, I find my PC laptop is good for my emulators. Some the Mac does well, but not all of them.



Oh, and also. The ‘Halo’ effect is very real. I have tried Android phones, and in my personal experience, they don’t do the one thing I actually want my mobile phone to do. Nope, not Instagram, or Twitter (X), but MAKE A PHONE CALL! I’ve had Samsung phones, and Google, and my experience with my iPhone is it makes much better calls.



I love my iPhone, it’s very well done. Wonderful attention to detail, and good quality. It kept nagging me, have you forgotten about Apple? Yes I said, sorry about that. Perhaps I should go ‘back to my Mac’.



X
 
Not sure whether I’ve ‘flipped’, or ‘flopped’? BUT. After a much needed tidy up of my room, which was chaos. Space is now a premium. I look at the size of my PC desktop, and the amount of room it takes up, is a bit too much. It’s been decommissioned for the time being.



I decided to set up my Mac mini, with a few essential peripherals. It’s small footprint, cool and quiet operation, lower power load, meaning cheaper to run, is just charming.



Couple of observations, I think Scrivener is better on a Mac. And when trying to record my guitar into the PC I did have some trouble, when I plugged the guitar into the Mac, it was pretty much hassle free.



My little M2 mini will handle my basic music needs fine, and it will punch above it’s weight with video editing. I’ve fallen in love with my Mac again.



I have no issues with PC’s, I like to use them too. But I have an odd setup. I’m doing things in a way many would see as backward. I want a Mac mini for my desktop, and a PC laptop. Most people would say, the Apple laptops are much better, well they are also much more expensive. I have a relatively inexpensive, but also quite good PC gaming laptop, which I mostly use if I watch TV, I find my PC laptop is good for my emulators. Some the Mac does well, but not all of them.



Oh, and also. The ‘Halo’ effect is very real. I have tried Android phones, and in my personal experience, they don’t do the one thing I actually want my mobile phone to do. Nope, not Instagram, or Twitter (X), but MAKE A PHONE CALL! I’ve had Samsung phones, and Google, and my experience with my iPhone is it makes much better calls.



I love my iPhone, it’s very well done. Wonderful attention to detail, and good quality. It kept nagging me, have you forgotten about Apple? Yes I said, sorry about that. Perhaps I should go ‘back to my Mac’.



X
I totally get that. I think you have a fine setup. I am a huge fan of the mini for reasons you mentioned. Cool, SILENT and tiny! And as long as the Win laptop is not too loud, all good.
 
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Not sure whether I’ve ‘flipped’, or ‘flopped’? BUT. After a much needed tidy up of my room, which was chaos. Space is now a premium. I look at the size of my PC desktop, and the amount of room it takes up, is a bit too much. It’s been decommissioned for the time being.



I decided to set up my Mac mini, with a few essential peripherals. It’s small footprint, cool and quiet operation, lower power load, meaning cheaper to run, is just charming.



Couple of observations, I think Scrivener is better on a Mac. And when trying to record my guitar into the PC I did have some trouble, when I plugged the guitar into the Mac, it was pretty much hassle free.



My little M2 mini will handle my basic music needs fine, and it will punch above it’s weight with video editing. I’ve fallen in love with my Mac again.



I have no issues with PC’s, I like to use them too. But I have an odd setup. I’m doing things in a way many would see as backward. I want a Mac mini for my desktop, and a PC laptop. Most people would say, the Apple laptops are much better, well they are also much more expensive. I have a relatively inexpensive, but also quite good PC gaming laptop, which I mostly use if I watch TV, I find my PC laptop is good for my emulators. Some the Mac does well, but not all of them.



Oh, and also. The ‘Halo’ effect is very real. I have tried Android phones, and in my personal experience, they don’t do the one thing I actually want my mobile phone to do. Nope, not Instagram, or Twitter (X), but MAKE A PHONE CALL! I’ve had Samsung phones, and Google, and my experience with my iPhone is it makes much better calls.



I love my iPhone, it’s very well done. Wonderful attention to detail, and good quality. It kept nagging me, have you forgotten about Apple? Yes I said, sorry about that. Perhaps I should go ‘back to my Mac’.



X
Scrivener was written natively in Mac OS first, so that isn't surprising. I am just glad that I can get it on Windows. :D
 
Its a level of inconsistently. MS sets up a new method of managing settings, and now there's two ways. Its confusing and can lead to issues. Do you go to settings to uninstall an app? Do you go to control panel to manage users?
I have found myself increasingly just searching for the specific thing I need in the new settings directly. In classic Microsoft fashion, this is even better than going to the old control panel like 90% of the time. Heck, it's even better than opening the new settings app and clicking through menus.

But that 10% where I waste my time with options that simply don't exist in the new settings and have to end up going to the control panel...then again Mac changed their perfectly fine settings app and now it sucks too LOL.
 
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I have found myself increasingly just searching for the specific thing I need in the new settings directly
Having two distinct and unrelated places where you need to make configuration changes is very poor design imo. Do I go to settings when I need to make a change to the firewall or the control panel? If I choose wrong, then it delays what I'm doing.

Searching after clicking the start button helps to some degree, but on MacOS, and windows prior to version 8, you have one place for accessing all of the things you could change for windows. Now with that said, I hate how the MacOS changed their settings (or what ever its called). What was useful is no longer, but that's a topic for a different thread :)
 
Having two distinct and unrelated places where you need to make configuration changes is very poor design imo. Do I go to settings when I need to make a change to the firewall or the control panel? If I choose wrong, then it delays what I'm doing.

Searching after clicking the start button helps to some degree, but on MacOS, and windows prior to version 8, you have one place for accessing all of the things you could change for windows. Now with that said, I hate how the MacOS changed their settings (or what ever its called). What was useful is no longer, but that's a topic for a different thread :)
It's easier to open the start menu and type firewall. All the other ways to get there end up in the same place...
 
Yes, I said that (using search), but that's a work around to circumvent a bad design which is my point.
You are 100% not wrong, it's just a way to make the best of a bad situation. Unfortunately I think currently MS views Windows as a vehicle for the cloud and office and Apple wants to turn the Mac into iOS eventually. It's all about control I guess?

At least Windows let's me do what I want completely--even in the registry. Even by keeping the kruft such as two different control panel apps.

BUT, at least Apple and MacOS completely secure my data with Advanced Data Protection.

I can't WIN! Hence this ridiculously long thread.
 
You are 100% not wrong, it's just a way to make the best of a bad situation.
Yep,
My issue is that MS has all of these grand ideas and plans and they never fully follow through. I think the use of the settings app is fine, IF it was going to replace the control panel, and that was the original design, waaaay back in windows 8. Apple on the other hand is much better and providing a consistent UI/UX
 
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