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I love fish and generally seafood but if i had it 2 days in a row i get sick of it.

But, fish is not a monolith.

I'll grant that if I had the exact same fish dish every day, that the attractions might pall.

However, if you have cold smoked fish - with potato salad or roasted potatoes, one day, a chowder, or spicy fish stew another, a firm fleshed white fish (cod, haddock, hake) casserole, or a dish served with rice yet another, a flat fish (turbot, brill) on another, it is hard to imagine how one could tire of it.
 

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macrumors Haswell
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If I had fish & chips for dinner on Monday, and fish & chips for dinner on Tuesday and .... for dinner on Sunday, I'd be happy. Fat, but happy.

But, a good fish'n'chips (and I deliberately didn't even mention that in my earlier post) is a culinary joy.

Those wonderful old, family owned fish'n'chips places are terrific and often produce amazing dish and chips.

While I wouldn't wish it every day, it is a real treat when I do have it.
 

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macrumors Haswell
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Good fish and chips are indeed a find. It is a simple dish but also simple to mess up - frozen fish or chips with industrial batter and cheap fats are a horror.

Oh, gosh, yes, agreed, absolutely agreed.

The industrialised version of this dish is what has given it a bad name.

That is why I stipulated a small, usually family run business, where they prepare the fish and the chips themselves; the really good ones - using something like a light beer batter, and freshly caught fish along with freshly prepared chips are a real find.
 
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My favorite fish burger is London's fish & chips. Surprised this fast food outlet doesn't operate in Australia . Whenever i am in Dubai i visit the store in Deira mall, really yummy yummy best fish burger.
[doublepost=1568034891][/doublepost]Planning this this week...

 
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adrianlondon

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Oh, gosh, yes, agreed, absolutely agreed.

The industrialised version of this dish is what has given it a bad name.

That is why I stipulated a small, usually family run business, where they prepare the fish and the chips themselves; the really good ones - using something like a light beer batter, and freshly caught fish along with freshly prepared chips are a real find.
I can't get it here in Switzerland so have to cook it myself. It took a few attempts with different timings, oil temperatures and batter recipes but I got there in the end. Luckily, I live near the border with France so can cycle over and get my cod there - the Swiss (not surprisingly) aren't really into sea fish.
 

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I can't get it here in Switzerland so have to cook it myself. It took a few attempts with different timings, oil temperatures and batter recipes but I got there in the end. Luckily, I live near the border with France so can cycle over and get my cod there - the Swiss (not surprisingly) aren't really into sea fish.
indeed although the local equivalent, perches avec frites (lake perch though not always or usually from local lakes but often from Eastern Europe or the Baltic states) can be quite good.
 
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macrumors Haswell
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I can't get it here in Switzerland so have to cook it myself. It took a few attempts with different timings, oil temperatures and batter recipes but I got there in the end. Luckily, I live near the border with France so can cycle over and get my cod there - the Swiss (not surprisingly) aren't really into sea fish.

There is not much in the culinary world where the region known as the British Isles can justly lay claim to fame and to be home to the setting of culinary standards, but I would argue that on the matter of fish'n'chips, it is hard to beat what you can lay hands on in the best of these places in Ireland and the UK.
 
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adrianlondon

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indeed although the local equivalent, perches avec frites (lake perch though not always or usually from local lakes but often from Eastern Europe or the Baltic states) can be quite good.
A few years ago, a friend of mine who lives over the border in France took me out for that, saying it's the local equivalent of fish & chips. It's amazing we're still friends. Dry mud-tasting fish in a crappy coating with french fries! If he hadn't said it's like British fish&chips I might not have complained so much :) However, I think it was carp rather than perch.
 
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macrumors Haswell
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indeed although the local equivalent, perches avec frites (lake perch though not always or usually from local lakes but often from Eastern Europe or the Baltic states) can be quite good.

Perch, or carp are the kind of fish (the rare kind of fish) where the taste needs to be disguised, rather than allowed to shine. Hence, the addition of rich and hearty sauces, or spices, or condiments that cause taste explosions in your mouth, all to mask, or otherwise disguise the taste of that fish.

Thus, paprika laced soups or stews, heavy with spice, are a wonderful way to go when serving such fish; it is not a coincidence that the some of the splendid spicy Balkan and Hungarian fish stews have come from places where such fish are readily available, while more, ah, palatable fish are not.

However, to attempt to serve such fish as classic fish'n'chips, I think, misses the point.

Firm white fleshed fish are what you use for fish'n'chips - fish such as cod (sustainably caught, of course), haddock, hake, pollock, and so on.

A few years ago, a friend of mine who lives over the border in France took me out for that, saying it's the local equivalent of fish & chips. It's amazing we're still friends. Dry mud-tasting fish in a crappy coating with french fries! If he hadn't said it's like British fish&chips I might not have complained so much :)

On this subject, my sympathies lie entirely with you.
 
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I may be wrong, having not tried carp in my recollection, but was under the impression these are quite different fish - albeit both freshwater. No contest on the superiority of cod or other whitefish from the sea.
 
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Firm white fleshed fish are what you use for fish'n'chips - fish such as cod (sustainably caught, of course), haddock, hake, pollock, and so on.
Sometimes, as the cod loin can be quite expensive, I've been buying Lieu Noir loins. I *think* that's pollock. In England, I'd order haddock but I've not seen that here (or maybe I have, but have no idea what it's called...).
 

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Mayfair Chippy is a good one, IIRC. There's a place here by the coast owned by two married expats. I can't remember the name anymore but they do an incredible fish and chip. Firm white fish of your choosing, salmon also available, crispy batter that's neither too thin nor thick, etc. Double fried but golden chips. They also do baked herbed fish.
 

yaxomoxay

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prepared a New York Strip (medium rear) yesterday.
Wasn't in the mood to prepare anything else, so I bought chips as a "side dish" :)
 
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Bacon!
We usually eat bacon and eggs for breakfast on Saturdays. I’ve notice a range of prices. This morning I picked up a 3lb package of Kroger Brand for $12 which is a good price. I’ve noticed that the price can range from $4.99 to $7+ per pound depending on the quality. Kroger is on the low end of quality, higher percentage of fat vs meat, but I have to ask myself, for bacon, does it matter? You are basically buying a fatty, high cholesterol piece of meat, and boy does it taste good when fried up. :D

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macrumors Haswell
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Bacon!
We usually eat bacon and eggs for breakfast on Saturdays. I’ve notice a range of prices. This morning I picked up a 3lb package of Kroger Brand for $12 which is a good price. I’ve noticed that the price can range from $4.99 to $7+ per pound depending on the quality. Kroger is on the low end of quality, higher percentage of fat vs meat, but I have to ask myself, for bacon, does it matter? You are basically buying a fatty, high cholesterol piece of meat, and boy does it taste good when fried up. :D


Actually, to be honest, I think it does matter; cheap bacon oozes slimy liquids in the pan, whereas good quality bacon holds its shape and browns properly when sautéed.

Nevertheless, the scent (aroma) and taste of sautéed bacon is one to be savoured.
 

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Actually, to be honest, I think it does matter; cheap bacon oozes slimy liquids in the pan, whereas good quality bacon holds its shape and browns properly when sautéed.

Nevertheless, the scent (aroma) and taste of sautéed bacon is one to be savoured.
Just cooked up a plate of the lower quality bacon (higher fat content), browned nicely and was left was just clear wholesome bacon greese, no mysterious slimy liquid observed. :)
 
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In the UK, the price tends to alter slightly depending on whether (and how) the bacon is smoked, and then the quality of the pork. The cheap stuff is often injected with loads of water, hence the "slimy liquid". The better stuff isn't. And the most expensive is from pigs that led a happy life (no doubt kept in the dark about how they're going to end up in a tasty sarnie with HP brown sauce and maybe a fried egg added).
 

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macrumors Haswell
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Just cooked up a plate of the lower quality bacon (higher fat content), browned nicely and was left was just clear wholesome bacon greese, no mysterious slimy liquid observed. :)

Glad you enjoyed it.

In the UK, the price tends to alter slightly depending on whether (and how) the bacon is smoked, and then the quality of the pork. The cheap stuff is often injected with loads of water, hence the "slimy liquid". The better stuff isn't. And the most expensive is from pigs that led a happy life (no doubt kept in the dark about how they're going to end up in a tasty sarnie with HP brown sauce and maybe a fried egg added).

Exactly.

This is why I buy almost all of my meat at the butcher's stall in the farmers' market, where they raise and slaughter and age the meat of the animals (and fowl) themselves; it is expensive, but the quality is excellent, the taste superb, and the animals (and birds) have been ethically treated in an environmentally friendly way while they lived.
 

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In the UK, the price tends to alter slightly depending on whether (and how) the bacon is smoked, and then the quality of the pork. The cheap stuff is often injected with loads of water, hence the "slimy liquid". The better stuff isn't. And the most expensive is from pigs that led a happy life (no doubt kept in the dark about how they're going to end up in a tasty sarnie with HP brown sauce and maybe a fried egg added).
To clarify, I was using the term quality to differentiate between the bacon you look at that appears to be more meat than fat, vs more fat than meat. The more expensive bacons have a higher percentage of meat. Although not certain, I'd say the bacon I'm purchasing is not injected with liquid.
 
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So I tried a Beyond Meat burger the other day at a local burger joint called "The Hamburger Foundation" with Mom here for a visit. The girl at the counter mixed up Mom’s cheeseburger with the taller beyond burger. I took a bite and thought wow how juicy and the aroma and why is there cheese and switched with Mom who also took a bite but didn’t care for it. The taste was not bad but I found it dry. 🤣 Not really like meat as much as they say.
 

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I've been reading about that. Apparently its flavor is largely dependent on how well it's cooked. Not full and dry like a puck but in terms of just right cooking. Just think, you've probably had horse meat burgers sometime in the last 5 years and didn't know. Yes, I'm referring to that scandal. Granted, I've had horse meat in Italy. I don't see what the big brouhaha about it is. It's meat. People eat venison but deer are "friends" and pets too for many who can care for them. Yet we butcher them, slather their tenderloins with garlic, slow cook their tougher parts, shred them for a sandwich spread with piccalilli.
 
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