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I actually have had both horse and bambi venison meat and enjoyed both.
I used to think I hadn't or questioned whether I had until I looked up some traditional dishes I had which confirmed my belief.

We're facing a natural crisis here with too many wild horses destroying the landscape. It seems natural to consume them since rearing a wild horse is next to impossible, if not incredibly dangerous. I could see emu and ostrich becoming menu items, too. Both are farm raised here for niche markets.

The pain is that both are very expensive to lose if you lose them. Both are incredibly profitable, though, because almost all of their parts can be used for goods or food. A $200 chick may end up netting you around $10-15K after a few years.
 

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I wish I would have taken pictures of my raw zucchini "spaghetti" and tomato-pepper sauce yesterday.

It's just so good.

Looking to get back into raw food and cut back on my animal protein consumption. Not entirely, but I need more greens and veg as a whole. We really miss the restaurant that made gourmet raw food.

I had so much fun making the "pasta" for us and mom really loves it. It's another way for me to be creative too since the writing and art seem to come in spurts now.
 
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I wish I would have taken pictures of my raw zucchini "spaghetti" and tomato-pepper sauce yesterday.

It's just so good.

Looking to get back into raw food and cut back on my animal protein consumption. Not entirely, but I need more greens and veg as a whole. We really miss the restaurant that made gourmet raw food.

I had so much fun making the "pasta" for us and mom really loves it. It's another way for me to be creative too since the writing and art seem to come in spurts now.

There are a great many good recipes for vegetables; you don't always have to eat them raw.

For greens (spinach, chard, etc), I recommend washing them, shaking their leaves more or less dry, adding them to a heavy-bottomed pot in which you have already melted (some/a little) butter - and minced garlic, if your tastes run to that (mine do) - with just a few drops of water still clinging to their leaves - slamming the lid on the saucepan, and letting them wilt in their own steam, (flavoured by the butter and garlic), then drain, and serve; this is an excellent and tasty way to serve greens, and they shrink down considerably in the steaming process.

It takes very little time to prepare or cook, it is healthy, delicious, and goes with absolutely everything.
 
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There are a great many good recipes for vegetables; you don't always have to eat them raw.

For greens (spinach, chard, etc), I recommend washing them, shaking their leaves more or less dry, adding them to a heavy-bottomed pot in which you have already melted (some/a little) butter - and minced garlic, if your tastes run to that (mine do) - with just a few drops of water still clinging to their leaves - slamming the lid on the saucepan, and letting them wilt in their own steam, (flavoured by the butter and garlic), then drain, and serve; this is an excellent and tasty way to serve greens, and they shrink down considerably in the steaming process.

It takes very little time to prepare or cook, it is healthy, delicious, and goes with absolutely everything.

Make a lot of veg cooked, but thanks as always for the tips. :) A variety of raw & cooked with less protein and processed carbs & sugar is what we are shooting for.

Some veg is not good to eat raw as it can mess with your thyroid, but I know my body responds very positively to more greens and raw.
 

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Make a lot of veg cooked, but thanks as always for the tips. :) A variety of raw & cooked with less protein and processed carbs & sugar is what we are shooting for.

Some veg is not good to eat raw as it can mess with your thyroid, but I know my body responds very positively to more greens and raw.

In winter time, it is hard to develop an appetite for fresh greens, and the sort of lettuce varieties that one can make nice and tasty salads from aren't really readily available, which is why I suggested steamed greens as an easy and (and very palatable) dish for winter.

I steam vegetables, stir fry them (on occasion), often roast them, add them to casseroles or stews, sauté them, and occasionally boil them. Sautéed, or roasted, they are brilliant with pasta or rice dishes, too.
 

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In winter time, it is hard to develop an appetite for fresh greens, and the sort of lettuce varieties that one can make nice and tasty salads from aren't really readily available, which is why I suggested steamed greens as an easy and (and very palatable) dish for winter.

I steam vegetables, stir fry them (on occasion), often roast them, add them to casseroles or stews, sauté them, and occasionally boil them. Sautéed, or roasted, they are brilliant with pasta or rice dishes, too.
Sure. Great ideas.

I am an outlier though: I can and do eat raw veg any time of year. I find salad style produce year round, lucky.

Certaintly, hearty cooked veg are more of a thing in winter. As I do not eat pasta or rice, eating potatoes and more root veg. Sautee, steam, roast, boil. It's all good and delicious. I've been making veggie dishes for decades, but getting serious about my diet now again, after realizing all this processed stuff is not helping me or mom.

I eat what my body responds to and occasionally likes, I am fine with folks eating whatever they like. I respect everyone's choices whether I eat those things or not. I'll never preach about my dietary choices and I am always open to folks' ideas.

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Quite warm today! Had this been next weekend, your post would have rung much truer.

Well, as you know, I prepared oxtail last week, and - yes - it was delicious; however, - like cassoulet - it really is a dish for the latter part of autumn, winter, and early spring.

Anyway, do enjoy.
 

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Spiralized pear and green apple (to absolve bread and onion rings eaten today). 😛 Stuffed now, but will probably have a salad later.

I could get really used to pears this way. A lot more fun to eat even though it's just pear.
 

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I take fruit and attempt to make it as unhealthy as possible, it seems. Bought a kilo of peaches and turned them into a crumble. With custard. I'm hoping some vitamins survived the roasting.
 
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Pear and apple crumble is always delicious. So is rhubarb crumble, nectarine crumble, plum crumble, strawberry crumble, gooseberry crumble, etc. Of course you could lay off the sugar and replace the crumble with the American variant known as a cobbler. Go easy on the dumpling like crust.

It's a good way to use a large amount of fruit that's ripe or on the verge of ripening all at once.
 

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I take fruit and attempt to make it as unhealthy as possible, it seems. Bought a kilo of peaches and turned them into a crumble. With custard. I'm hoping some vitamins survived the roasting.

Pear and apple crumble is always delicious. So is rhubarb crumble, nectarine crumble, plum crumble, strawberry crumble, gooseberry crumble, etc. Of course you could lay off the sugar and replace the crumble with the American variant known as a cobbler. Go easy on the dumpling like crust.

It's a good way to use a large amount of fruit that's ripe or on the verge of ripening all at once.


This time of year, plums are also in season, as are quinces.

Adding plums and quinces to an apple tart - or crumble - adds a somewhat tart element, ensuring that the dish doesn't end up too cloying, and gives a lovely sweet sour flavour that I find irresistible.
 
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This time of year, plums are also in season, as are quinces.

Adding plums and quinces to an apple tart - or crumble - adds a somewhat tart element, ensuring that the dish doesn't end up too cloying, and gives a lovely sweet sour flavour that I find irresistible.
Quinces are wonderful this year compared to years past. Hardly a woody core in site. Crisp but edible raw flesh. Pleasant aroma. I made some preserves a couple weeks ago during a break in our heatwaves. Ate about a quinces weight raw. It's one of my favorite fruits. I don't know if it's popular with Americans despite having lived here for a while now. It's hard to find good persimmons here, too. Though they're becoming more popular it seems. They're abundant and tasty in the American south which has a history of consuming and using the magical, orange-fleshed fruit. The variety you'll find in your neck of the woods is an astringent kind that needs ripening before it can be consumed and thus develop its sugars. I prefer a different variety myself that's consumable without waiting much.
 

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Thanks for all the fruit tips! I'll be foraging (in the local market) this week. I don't add any sugar to the fruit; the standard British recipes do, I assume because crumbles and pies were traditionally a way to use up fruit that was quite tart, hence the term "cooking apples" which are actually the varieties I tend to buy to eat raw.

I do add a bit of sugar to the crumble mix, but not much, and I add (porridge) oats and dessicated coconut to it. The custard (made with Birds custard powder and milk - yes I'm lazy) has no sugar. As you both say, it's a great way to use up good quantities of fruit, which are being sold pretty cheaply here at the moment. It's a great time of year for fruits.
 
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Quinces are wonderful this year compared to years past. Hardly a woody core in site. Crisp but edible raw flesh. Pleasant aroma. I made some preserves a couple weeks ago during a break in our heatwaves. Ate about a quinces weight raw. It's one of my favorite fruits. I don't know if it's popular with Americans despite having lived here for a while now. It's hard to find good persimmons here, too. Though they're becoming more popular it seems. They're abundant and tasty in the American south which has a history of consuming and using the magical, orange-fleshed fruit. The variety you'll find in your neck of the woods is an astringent kind that needs ripening before it can be consumed and thus develop its sugars. I prefer a different variety myself that's consumable without waiting much.

I adore quinces, but, unlike apples, they usually need to be cooked.

However, with apples (and pears) and plums - in other words, accompanying the food that is in season when they are - they are delicious.

I'd happily eat them by themselves, and, of course, there is a venerable tradition of quince jellies (and apple jellies) in this part of the world at this time of year.

Likewise, don't overlook the wonderful membrillo - quince paste - a Spanish specialty, easily found in good delis, or cheesemongers, terrific on a cheeseboard when served with tart cheeses, such as sharp cheddars, or goat's cheese, or a serious blue.

Persimmons are available in the Caucasus, and come into season in December and January when they can be amazing. I've eaten them picked from trees, and their colour, an arresting orange, growing on trees with deep, dark, green leaves, set stark against a sharp piercing blue sky is an incredible sight to behold.

Thanks for all the fruit tips! I'll be foraging (in the local market) this week. I don't add any sugar to the fruit; the standard British recipes do, I assume because crumbles and pies were traditionally a way to use up fruit that was quite tart, hence the term "cooking apples" which are actually the varieties I tend to buy to eat raw.

I do add a bit of sugar to the crumble mix, but not much, and I add (porridge) oats and dessicated coconut to it. The custard (made with Birds custard powder and milk - yes I'm lazy) has no sugar. As you both say, it's a great way to use up good quantities of fruit, which are being sold pretty cheaply here at the moment. It's a great time of year for fruits.

Even when I was a child, my mother used brown sugar for such recipes - less cloyingingly sweet than white - and I still do (I use organic veracities). It gives a fuller, richer flavour, that sweetens but also gives some depth to the fruit in question.

Brown sugar and grated lemon peel sprinkled on top of an apple crumble (or a tweed apple did, or a roasted apple, quince an plum dish) is wonderful.
 
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Even when I was a child, my mother used brown sugar for such recipes - less cloyingingly sweet than white - and I still do (I use organic veracities). It gives a fuller, richer flavour, that sweetens but also gives some depth to the fruit in question.
I don't buy white sugar, so everything that needs sugar gets brown. Well, apart from some sachets I liberate from cafes for friends who want/need sugar in their tea.
 

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I don't buy white sugar, so everything that needs sugar gets brown. Well, apart from some sachets I liberate from cafes for friends who want/need sugar in their tea.

Personally, I don't take white sugar at all, so I am in a very similar position to you and must renew my habit of liberating sachets from cafés; however, I have a number of different types of brown sugar (all organic), which meet my needs for coffee and cooking.
 

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I don't buy white sugar, so everything that needs sugar gets brown. Well, apart from some sachets I liberate from cafes for friends who want/need sugar in their tea.
I only use white sugar for certain items that I don’t want the flavor altered, such as a smoothy that needs slight sweetening, but for most sugar applications I prefer brown sugar. I love raw honey, but the flavor altering can be an issue there too depending.
 
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I sweeten Asian cooking with (coconut?) palm sugar or, if Indian cooking, dark chocolate. I saw that tip on a TV cooking programme and it stuck with me. Works well.

I do eat loads of white sugar I'm sure: in things I buy like cakes, jams and yoghurts, so I'm not claiming to not eat the stuff - it just happens I don't use any as a cooking ingredient.
 

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I sweeten Asian cooking with (coconut?) palm sugar or, if Indian cooking, dark chocolate. I saw that tip on a TV cooking programme and it stuck with me. Works well.

I do eat loads of white sugar I'm sure: in things I buy like cakes, jams and yoghurts, so I'm not claiming to not eat the stuff - it just happens I don't use any as a cooking ingredient.
I’m currently on a sweet limited cuisine. I still partake of a small piece dark chocolate, or a small York peppermint patty, or a couple of dates, but no big sweets as long as my resolve holds out. :)
 

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I sweeten Asian cooking with (coconut?) palm sugar or, if Indian cooking, dark chocolate. I saw that tip on a TV cooking programme and it stuck with me. Works well.

I do eat loads of white sugar I'm sure: in things I buy like cakes, jams and yoghurts, so I'm not claiming to not eat the stuff - it just happens I don't use any as a cooking ingredient.
Nope. Palm sugar is refined coconut tree sap. Coconut sugar has a brown color to it and tastes like slightly burnt sugar. Palm sugar looks the same but has a slight mineral flavor leaning towards iron, much like molasses. Palm sugar is also known as coconut palm sugar. Coconut sugar is simply coconut sugar made from refined coconut mush. Both are fine in coffee with steamed milk if not a little too indulgent.

Both are good in chocolate cake. Take a bit of the white sugar out and put that in. I'd advise against using it in same certain cookies because of the color it has or certain flavors. It mutes the nuttiness in a peanut butter cookie, for example. As in, it becomes fairly bland. I thought that was strange.

Cakes are usually made with white sugar because it cooks well. A brown sugar, be it from cane sugar, beet sugar, or the aforementioned alternatives, tends to give a wetter crumb because of the "impurities" present. Your cake will be dense if not discolored if it were a white or pound cake base. You would use a blend if you were making a brownie, chewy cookie, date cake, apple cake, banana cake, etc. You get the idea. For the brownie or chewy cookie, you won't get that shiny or matte flaky sheen on top for the brownie without white sugar, but you won't get the denseness without the brown sugar. You won't get crispy edges in a chewy cookie without white sugar, but you won't get that chewy if not fudge texture in the very middle without the brown sugar.

If you used butter for a brownie instead of the classic oil, you would have a cake like brownie via chemical reaction. It's why oil is the preferred choice unless you used browned butter which burns the milk solids and drops them, flavoring the clarified butter which you could use because at that stage, it's simply an oil with a high smoke point and won't react.


Molasses come in different forms. The most traditional is made from beet or cane sugar. You have different grades and even the harshest which is blackstrap. Then you have molasses made from fruits, particularly grape, which is the second most common. Molasses in general is considered an impurity because of what it is, being a byproduct, but also because of its mineral content. In other words, historically, molasses was given to children, the elderly and the ill because of how nutritive it could be. Especially blackstrap varieties. In many countries that rely on grape molasses, it's consumed by those earlier mentioned people, especially expecting mothers. Grape molasses to me has always tasted like those cheap hardboiled grape flavored sweets you had as a child, offset by an iron flavor and bitterness. Pomegranate molasses which can be found in North African cuisine is different. It's not typically used much and is better suited as a garnishing drizzle or accompaniment to a sauce. It's both very tart and sweet, without much bitterness. It's got an even 50/50 flavor in terms of tartness and sweetness. I'd compare it to reduced balsamic vinegar with sugar made as a traditional glaze. You could make both yourself, but it's a long arduous cooking process. I'd rather pay $15 for the bottle of reduced balsamic glaze imported from Italy. A small 500ml bottle lasts forever when stored properly and there's so few dishes or salads it's appropriate on that it lasts for years.
 
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