Don't bother, if it doesn't say "retina" marketed to you by Apple made by Samsung and LG. Everything else never existed prior to it because it wasn't "retina".
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Don't bother, if it doesn't say "retina" marketed to you by Apple made by Samsung and LG. Everything else never existed prior to it because it wasn't "retina".
I agree that a display that you can't see the pixels with the naked eye cool. Screen clarity is brilliant. I can't even see the pixels on my 4S with a drop of water on the screen looking as close as my eyes can focus.
I'm just saying I've seen screens this good prior to Apples marketing of "retina". Unfortunately I'll have to wait till I get home to research it more. However wasn't there just a thread about this? You've HAD to been a part of it.
Uhh, I believe LG invented the "retina" screen. Apple simple added it to a tiny screen, instead of a large one.
Mapping (2d and 3d). You really attempting to say Apple innovated anything here? Google Earth and Nav have had this for years. Apple's copycat design isn't even as informative.
Huge cloud service? What did they innovate? Nothing. Do you think Apple invented 'cloud services'? Amazon was the model Apple followed, BTW.
Passbook? Really? The product doesn't even exist yet, but it's just another version of Google Wallet. However, if the new iPhone doesn't have a NFC chip, Passbook will be pretty useless as every feature in it already has an app equivalent. Apple just took all those apps and put them into one place. Not much innovating involved.
Siri? A completely functional product bought by Apple. I guess having their software engineers incorporate the Siri code into ios was innovative? And doesn't Apple still list Siri as a beta project, that is rarely used by users?
Last, Google making anything look like Honeycomb? Where in the hell did that come from?
Alright now list Google's innovation so I can falsely disprove all of that too.
Inventing =\= innovating. All those features were innovative, simple as that. You can claim they aren't, and I can claim they are, and that's the opinion we are each entitled to.
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Interesting that you don't deny what I posted. Are you realizing for the first time that Apple did not invent everything?
Anyway, Android specific features, some which are now 5 years on.
Predictive typing
Widgets
Do not disturb notifications for incoming calls
A mobile email client that actually works just like a pc (conversation view, single folder review, view only unread emails, attach any time of document, sync specific folders, etc)
Notification Center with actionable notifications
Wireless syncing
Virtual and split keyboard alterations
There are more, just can't think of everything right now. Apple simply takes from Android these days. IOS5 and 6 are nothing but leeched versions of Android features that have been around for a while. Apple is also great at stealing Cydia apps and leaving the creator out in the cold.
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How where they innovative? They didn't invent the idea. They weren't the first in the mobile arena to utilize the feature (although Siri was the first AI to be integrated into an OS, so I give you that). And they didn't alter the idea in any way to make it different and better. (cloud server farms? 3d mapping? Really. You iFans are already trying to rewrite history.
)Interesting that you don't deny what I posted. Are you realizing for the first time that Apple did not invent everything?
Anyway, Android specific features, some which are now 5 years on.
Predictive typing
Widgets
Do not disturb notifications for incoming calls
A mobile email client that actually works just like a pc (conversation view, single folder review, view only unread emails, attach any time of document, sync specific folders, etc)
Notification Center with actionable notifications
Wireless syncing
Virtual and split keyboard alterations
There are more, just can't think of everything right now. Apple simply takes from Android these days. IOS5 and 6 are nothing but leeched versions of Android features that have been around for a while. Apple is also great at stealing Cydia apps and leaving the creator out in the cold.
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How where they innovative? They didn't invent the idea. They weren't the first in the mobile arena to utilize the feature (although Siri was the first AI to be integrated into an OS, so I give you that). And they didn't alter the idea in any way to make it different and better. (cloud server farms? 3d mapping? Really. You iFans are already trying to rewrite history.
Very few innovations are pure inventions. Google did not invent widgets, notifications, a glorified mobile e-mail client, etc. Apple pioneered the touch screen interaction that all Android users use today. This includes: kinetic scrolling, pinch-to-zoom, multi-touch keyboards, and slide to unlock. Did they invent all of that tech, no? But did they incorporate it into a smartphone, something that had never been done before, that revolutionized the way we use our phones? Yes, and that's innovation.
Just remember that you owe your Android phone to Apple. Remember Android before the iPhone's announcement? It was essentially a contender to RIM's Blackberry, with no touchscreen and only physical keys. I respect what Android has given me, namely Notification Center, and you ought to respect what Apple has given you. Copying others and borrowing features is the name of the game. Google does it constantly, as does Apple and Microsoft. Hell, Google has taken quite a bit out of Microsoft's playbook as of recently.
I never denied Apple was an innovative force in the beginning. Many of their smartphone features were new to mobile devices. I am referring to the last few years, since the iPhone 4. When we saw ios 5, all we saw was rehashed Android features. Now we see ios 6 and more rehashed Android features. Apple is really copying the crap out of Android. And I do hope they get their asses sued for doing it. (And no I don't want to see any products banned, I just want the bully to get a taste of their own medicine.) That's called karma for being so hypocritical. On top of this Apple has been unable to create a new design for 3 years now?
They aren't copying the crap out of Android, they are stealing a few features. Google is guilty of its fair share of copying, as well. Everyone is. And is your design comment aimed toward the iPhone hardware or iOS software? Because the iPhone 4 was 2 years ago, not 3.
I agree with you. They all take ideas and refine them for their consumer products. I have never denied Google, Samsung, Microsoft, et al copy. I have admitted Samsung has copied Apple features (in the past) The Issue is Apple's recent lapse in innovation. When Jobs came back in 97, he set off on a string of innovations beginning in 01. It appears that without him, Apple is coasting. (And I have never, nor will ever deny Jobs amazing vision and innovation within the industry. He is an icon of mine.)
Passbook could really become an innovative feature, assuming Apple begins using NFC. Google Wallet has a jump on them and today's update just made Google Wallet even better by being able to use any debit or credit card with the service. And I do believe Google is already copying some of Apple's ideas within Passbook and vice versa with G Wallet.
My other issue is the hypocrisy. It is just crazy to see Apple get awarded patents for other people's work or copy a feature from someone and then patent it or just outright steal a feature, but when someone else does it, they want bans and billion dollar fines. I don't have issues with things like rubber banding effects (that was clearly Apple's and Samsung deserved punishment, same with the first Galaxy phone (clearly a ripoff of the iphone), but going after things like the S2 (no one would mistake it for an iphone) and even trying to go after the S3, is ludicrous.
I think we both agree on companies copying successful ideas to make their products more consumer friendly. We even agree (I think) that companies deserve to be punished for taking a very unique and specifically patentable idea (like the rubber banding effect), but banning and suing other companies for the very thing you do, is unacceptable. And Apple should be severely punished for their copying of Notification Center and banners. Google's patent on this is very specific.
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I think the razr looks good. It has a more aggressive male look to it. Not everyone wants the femininity of the iphone
I appreciate you being reasonable, and I am also frustrated with Apple's quick litigious trigger finger. However, I believe Samsung deserved the punitive damages; it really crossed the line, mimicking Apple in more than just copying some features.
But I place most of the blame on the patent system. Too many standards are patented, and companies really shouldn't be allowed to own and protect them.
Concur. 100%. Samsung did deserve to be hit with punitive damages. I think the jury went a little too far on some of their $$$ awards to Apple, but I was expecting more considering all these jurors live in Apple's backyard. I do see Judge Koh setting bans on some phones, but only those phones that are no longer sold or about to be pulled off the shelves anyway. It will be more symbolic than anything. Or Judge Koh may throw the whole verdict out and limit the punitive damages to 500 million? Who knows?
But yes, the US patent system is broke. Patents should be very specific and if not instituted into a real product, be limited in scope to a time limit of less than 1-2 years (for this industry only, as technology changes so quickly that 2 years is a very long time). Maybe my opinion isn't the best on patents, but something needs to be done.
Siri was a App in iTunes well before Apple utilized it. Pretty much that whole post is inaccurate.
Yeah, because glass and metal is so feminine.
Well you to admit a lot of females have an iPhone with a stupid bunny ears case.
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However, as most of these phones are older devices, the impact of a sales ban would be negligible, according to patent expert Florian Müller. But Apple will be pushing for an injunction that will have an open-ended wording and include anyproduct, even products that haven't been released yet, that infringes the same intellectual property in a way that is "no more than colorably different"
Galaxy S3
Therefore, although the Galaxy S3 smartphone was not included in the trial, because the jury validated Apple's patents on features and design elements, the US company could then try to wield these against that device.
Apple may not have to seek a new trial over the S3, but can include it in a "contempt proceeding" that moves much faster, according to legal experts. This would be a major blow to Samsung which has seen the Galaxy S3 becoming the best-selling phone ever for the South Korean company, shipping 10 million in less than three months.
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Before the iPhone 4 in 2010:
2007 Toshiba G900. 312 PPI. Fingerprint sensor too.
2008 Sony Xperia X1. 312 PPI.
2009 Samsung Jet. 301 PPI.
These were so close, you wouldn't be able to tell:
2007 Neo1973. 282 PPI.
2008 HTC Touch Diamond, Pro. 286 PPI.
2009 HTC Touch Diamond2. 292 PPI.
Yes, people have used the term "print quality" for years in reference to 300DPI at 12" away (using the same calculation that Apple did).
As for being a "gimmick" -- the G900 listed above was advertised as "the first print quality" display on a smartphone back in 2007. Obviously Apple did not want to say their phone was not first at something. So they came up with a new marketing term that could also be used with lower PPI: "retina".
Toshiba Protege G900. June 2007.
You're welcome.
BTW, again, the iPhone 4 did not bring about high resolution phone displays. They were actually late to that game, catching up. Just like multi-tasking, copy/paste, App Stores, OTA updates, camera access from lock screen, etc..
Not everything Apple does with the iPhone is novel or innovative. Some of it is just plain catching up.
Oh goodie, kdarling and knightwrx to the rescue once again. What would us ignorant isheep do without their infinite knowledge about how Apple wasn't the first to do anything ever..well except win a $1B patent lawsuit.
Someone asked a question and they answered it. Don't ask things if you'll be upset with the answer.
Thank god they won that patent suit. This is so beneficial to us iPhone owners. They took us too the cleaner once with an unheard of 40-50% profit margin now they can help make Samsung rip off its consumers. Unless you are highly invested in Apple that suit only hurts consumers.
Oh goodie, kdarling and knightwrx to the rescue once again. What would us ignorant isheep do without their infinite knowledge about how Apple wasn't the first to do anything ever..well except win a $1B patent lawsuit.
Oh was this post warranted ? Why do you need to attack the posters instead of the argument exactly ?
Someone made a claim to the iPhone 4's display being a first in the industry, we simply provided the history. Do you have an issue with our posts aside from the fact that they might indicate someone made 300 PPI displays before Apple ?
Is there even something wrong with Apple not being the first ? I don't see a problem, I still really love my iPhone 4S' display, even though Toshiba shipped the Protege G900 in 2007. It doesn't hurt me at all that they did. I don't feel the need to deny its existance.
Oh goodie, kdarling and knightwrx to the rescue once again. What would us ignorant isheep do without their infinite knowledge about how Apple wasn't the first to do anything ever..well except win a $1B patent lawsuit.
Must admit that I am a bit puzzled by this response, the two members you choose to deride always give factual and unbiased posts, whether that be to the benefit of Apple or its competitors. Attacks like yours are just bad manners.
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LOL!!
It's funny, not planning on getting the new iPhone, but I think if they "bad boy-ed" that phone up with black on black (black matte metal antenna frame, black back (screw this multi-tone crap) Drop the top and bottom Bezel as much as possible and angled the glass towards the edges, it would look pretty menacing and cool.
Toshiba Protege G900. June 2007.
You're welcome.
BTW, again, the iPhone 4 did not bring about high resolution phone displays. They were actually late to that game, catching up. Just like multi-tasking, copy/paste, App Stores, OTA updates, camera access from lock screen, etc..
Not everything Apple does with the iPhone is novel or innovative. Some of it is just plain catching up.
Ah, you got me. I know Apple does do its fair share of catching, as do all platforms, but all I know is that I didn't see flagship phones with 300+ ppi until after the iPhone 4.