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I urgently need a new laptop and I don’t need faster speeds compared to the m1 or m2. However I would guess the m3 macbooks will be +/- 10% cheaper (at least in Europe) following the cheaper apple tv, iphones and apple watches of this year.

I would guess highly unlikely the M3 will be cheaper. But there is a much better chance you could get a better deal on a M1/M2 either from the refurbished store or that are retained in the product line as lower cost entry level alternatives after the M3 is released.

I actually find it more likely since "pro" users want more power, for the average person the difference between M1 and M2 to M3 is not going to be very big. It would also be cheaper for Apple to bin M3 Pros and M3 Max to sell them as M3s later

I doubt that. The plain, pro, max and ultra version have different physical dye sizes, chip physical dimensions and varying pin out. You would not be able to drop in one for another just based on binning. Unless you made all chips have same dye footprint as an ultra chip, and the would drive up costs (fewer dyes per wafer).

IF you could get by with an M2 Mini, you didn't actually need an M2 Studio.

I suspect that many people who bought M2 pro mini would have bought M2 max studio if they were both available last January. (Currently the M2 max studio is often presented as a better alternative value as compared to the the M2 mini pro - an easy up sell).

I could see this as a lesson leaned by marketing/sales and would justify releasing the M3 MacBooks Pro 14 and 16 first. From a marketing perspective it makes sense to offer the higher end first since it will drive those customers on the fence (on which model to purchase) into buying the higher end product. From a production and engineering viewpoint that seems backwards but from sales and marketing it makes sense.
 
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meanwhile.

Intel 14th Gen CPU's coming.

Almost same performance as 13th gen Meteor Lake

BUT!!!
with new CPU you add Thunderbolt 5 and WIFI 7 .
 
Expecting to see the base M3 first. Maybe iMac will be released first with M3, followed by MacBook Pros with M3 Max/Pro and then later on MacBook Air refresh with M3.
 
I genuinely don’t know what meaning the addition “Air” holds at this point though. Why not simply MacBook and MacBook Pro?
At least with web marketing, not being specific with your product name is detrimental. "MacBook" can refer to any MacBook models ever made, be it pro or air or the vanilla black / white ones, even the 12" one.

With products like the iPhone, people are already used to associate the generation number along with the regular iPhone so it is not as confusing (eg. iPhone X, iPhone 15), and you know they aren't talking about the Pro Max or the mini. But with Macs only people pay attention like us would stick the year model after each name, but the general consumer don't. As a result the MacBook Air brand name looks like it is too important to be dropped.
 
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M1 is still so amazing for me (I’m on a MBP M2), but I am hoping for pencil support, but we know this will probably not happen as long as the iPad exists.

Would also love cellular; at least give us that option!
 
4 laptop models that Apple makes and sells will receive upgraded processors next year.

How is this news again?
 
Beyond the grammatically inaccurate headline, why is everyone acting like product refreshes aren’t regular news on this site.
 
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With products like the iPhone, people are already used to associate the generation number along with the regular iPhone so it is not as confusing (eg. iPhone X, iPhone 15), and you know they aren't talking about the Pro Max or the mini
To be fair I always hear people refer to their iPhone as being just “iPhone”. Nobody really talks about generation numbers or models. Unless specifically asked and even then most are clueless.

About the “Air” thing: it just seems meaningless at this point.
 
Yeah but then they refer to it only as iPhone by choice, or by ignorance. But if the product is only ever called an iPhone with no association to which year model it is, you will have a hard time identifying it, or even just searching info for it on google, that's what I mean. There is a reason why we refer to the 12" retina MacBook as *12" rMB*, despite Apple just calling it *MacBook*.
 
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If you max out the specs on the mini in line with the studio you can do just about anything. They’re not THAT different.
The Mini is not available with the M2 Max SoC, so the top M2-Pro can’t match the 2X GPU performance of the base M2-Max, not to mention it has 8GB RAM less. You could get by with the Mini instead of the Studio, but thats like saying your could get by with the M2 Mini instead of the M2-Pro Mini.
 
The Mini is not available with the M2 Max SoC, so the top M2-Pro can’t match the 2X GPU performance of the base M2-Max, not to mention it has 8GB RAM less. You could get by with the Mini instead of the Studio, but thats like saying your could get by with the M2 Mini instead of the M2-Pro Mini.
This was a comparison of the m2 pro mini versus the M1 Max studio… the Differences blur a lot more there. Plus upgraded wireless and other things that came with 2023 macs. Again this was only a thing before the m2 studio was announced but im sure the same dilemma will face people buying new machines when the m3 is released
 
Yeah but then they refer to it only as iPhone by choice, or by ignorance. But if the product is only ever called an iPhone with no association to which year model it is, you will have a hard time identifying it
You run into largely the same issue after 17 years of different MacBook Pro’s and 15 years of MacBook Airs: Just “MacBook Pro” or “MacBook Air” won’t get you anywhere either at this point. For troubleshooting you’ll have to look up your specific model anyway. Which means in the end nothing really changes when calling the next MacBook Air (early 2024) MacBook (early 2024). And let’s be honest; someone who isn’t able to find the specific model isn’t going to fix any serious issues themselves anyway. So what problem is there really?
 
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How many years do we need to wait until they abandon the 15'' Air (which is a contradiction in itself) and reintroduce a smaller form factor, such as a 12'' Macbook with an M1/2/3 processor (and macOS)?

I have the new Air 15" and it is an amazing machine. LOVE IT.

Go buy a cheap 12 inch Dell.
 
Does anyone know if the footprint of the 14/16 will be the same or will there be any re design? (thinner?)?

I would not expect any notable changes.

Apple almost always keeps laptop hardware chassis designs for ~4 years.

Even with the disaster of the butterfly keyboard 2016 chassis, Apple just kept shipping the same garbage chassis until their scheduled redesign change.

I would expect a new laptop design around 2025, maybe with the M4 or M5.
 
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Looking forward how this evolves, but currently a happy camper with my 14" M1 Pro 10/16/32GB/2TB at least as long as I'm covered with AppleCare lasting somewhere into 2026. Let's see where we are then.
I want to be that way for myself, but it turns out that I like my 14" MBP (similar to yours) that I wish I had gotten it in the 16" configuration. Having that extra screen space on the go really is a game changer. My work supplied 16" MBP kind of gives me a bit of envy with how I can fit that much more on screen.

I might be tempted to turn this machine in (or resell it) a bit earlier than I normally would depending on what these M3's offer.
 
That would be very nice, but it's obvious the pricing tiers for upgrades have been workshopped at Apple for who knows how many hundreds of hours, to ensure they maximise their profit on every tier of Mac and basically most use cases for their computers.
Of course, they would probably sell even more laptops if they were less stingy
 
I think 32 inches is the perfect size for a desktop display. The slightly bigger text at the highest resolution makes text easier to read. I'm no health professional, so maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that's better for the eyes.

In addition, while it's desirable by many to have the smallest laptop Apple offers due to size and weight being main factors in portability, since portability is not a concern for desktops, it makes sense to buy the largest display possible (that is in one's budget).
I am not a doctor either, but, according to the recent press releases, the only good thing for your eyes is to sit down on a shade on a sunny morning of afternoon.
 
That would be very nice, but it's obvious the pricing tiers for upgrades have been workshopped at Apple for who knows how many hundreds of hours, to ensure they maximise their profit on every tier of Mac and basically most use cases for their computers.
They are so good at workshopping, that sales are plummeting ~33% YTD
 
Never owned a mac but I'm interested in joining the club. Louis Rossmann seems to have a lot of "things" to say about Macbook engineering and build quality. Should I be worried?
 
Never owned a mac but I'm interested in joining the club. Louis Rossmann seems to have a lot of "things" to say about Macbook engineering and build quality. Should I be worried?
worried about what, exactly? concerned that your machine could be at fault? there's customers warrantee for a reason: electronic devices have thousands of tiny components and the quality control might oversee something or be unable to predict something at fault.

those things say, most people, specially in this forum of fans who work for free for the corporation, would agree on this: build quality is normally higher. Purchasing an expensive device is a risk which is protected by consumer warrantee. Apple products are expensive but they tend to have a long service life. Thousands can be faulty, because they ship a few million products a year.

Louis Rosman seems to me to be an honest and intelligent man, two qualities which are not common nowadays. He has a lot to say about Apple. He can talk about Apple for hours. He has thousands of videos explaining why Apple is questionable or upright despicable. He is right on almost everything I have heard.

What's the alternative, though?
 
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