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Did you try with just one monitor?

Also, check your nvram by entering the following in to Terminal:
Code:
nvram -p

Make sure "boot-args nvda_drv=1" is in there.

Thanks for the suggestions. "boot-args nvda_drv=1" is indeed in there. Haven't tried with one monitor yet. Will do that in the morning. If successful, does that mean I'll only be able to run one monitor with the card?
 
Thanks for the suggestions. "boot-args nvda_drv=1" is indeed in there. Haven't tried with one monitor yet. Will do that in the morning. If successful, does that mean I'll only be able to run one monitor with the card?

The reason why I suggested trying just one monitor is because, I think, I remember reading about the Nvidia web drivers having problems when multiple monitors are connected to a single card.

If it works with just one monitor, you may need another video card to drive the second monitor.
 
The reason why I suggested trying just one monitor is because, I think, I remember reading about the Nvidia web drivers having problems when multiple monitors are connected to a single card.

If it works with just one monitor, you may need another video card to drive the second monitor.

I'm using two monitors without any issues, I have a GTX 980 and it drives both displays just fine. Still worth trying one monitor only to see if that helps, though.
 
Sadly, no dice trying just one monitor.

The system is still recognizing the card as an nVidia Chip Model 256 MB, so it looks like it's not even really seeing that it's a 970.

Any other ideas from all you smart folks?

Thanks again for the suggestions.

P
 
Sadly, no dice trying just one monitor.

The system is still recognizing the card as an nVidia Chip Model 256 MB, so it looks like it's not even really seeing that it's a 970.

Any other ideas from all you smart folks?

Thanks again for the suggestions.

P
I suppose this could be a driver issue. Do you have Nvidia drivers installed? If you do, you might want to see about updating them. The only problem with Maxwell cards is that Macs can’t use them without installing drivers from Nvidia’s website.
 
Hi everyone,

i have MP 5,1 with GTX580. Today i've reinstalled Mavericks on it, and applied all the updates, so the build ver. is 13f1134. I've downloaded the proper nVidia Web driver for this build which is ver. 334.01.03f06. The installation went smoothly, no issues, warnings etc. But when i rebooted to switch to the new driver, there's nothing but a gray screen.

I've switched to a stock Radeon 5700, booted up and turned the default driver back on, and now os x boots up with nVidia card correctly.

Then i've tried the following:
1) Cleared NVRAM (just in case)
2) Uninstalling 334.01.03f06 completely
3) Edited the SystemVersion.plist file, replacing the build number to 13f34 (as Netkas suggested in another thread), repaired permissions and rebooted
4) Downloaded and installed web driver for this build number, which is 334.01.03f01 - again no issues during installation process
5) Rebooted - and nothing but a gray screen again
Then i rebooted in Safe mode, recovered SystemVersion.plist from backup, so i could install 334.01.03f06 again. While in safe mode, i've installed 334.01.03f06 and turned the driver off in the prefpanel so the Mac loads a default driver on reboot. BTW, this workaround allowed me to avoid changing cards again to boot and disable driver

Now i'm on a default driver, everything is running well though i didn't try testing in C4D or Adobe apps yet.

does anyone know a solution to this? How do i get to actually USE the nVidia driver that is intended to be used with this particular build number???

thx in advance to everyone
 
Just found this invaluable forum thread. Awesome stuff! Thank you to the OP, Asgorath, and all who have contributed. I'm an old PC tinkerer from back in the days of Windows 98 and those AMD CPUs that plugged into the motherboard like a Lego brick. Those were the days! Jumped on board the Apple train when I was hired as a Mac Genius 8 years ago at a store near Seattle. Eventually, moved with my wife and son to Atlanta and had to leave the Genius job behind. So, I know my way around both Macs & PCs. I'm also down for experimenting insofar as my modest budget will allow.

I was recently gifted a 2008 MacPro3.1 with two 3.0 Ghz Quad Core processors (8 cores total). Initially, it had only 4 GB of 800 mhz RAM and an EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 - EV10830 - REV:1.0 with 896 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM, which I believe is a PC card that was flashed with the Mac EFI. There were three SATA drives installed in the handy drive bays (best design ever IMHO). No raid, airport or BT card is installed.

The MacPro had gotten so sluggish the original owner eventually became fed up and shoved it into a closet, where it became the home of a colony of dust bunnies. I had to use one of those Metro Vacuum ED500 DataVac 500-Watt 0.75-HP Electric Dusters to clean out the mess I inherited. This eliminated the sound of twin Boeing 747 jets from the front and rear case fans when things got too hot from the dust bunnies.

I took to eBay to buy some cheap upgrades and dropped $70 for 32 GB (4GBx8) of 667 mhz DDR2, ECC, REG pulled RAM and $100 on a used Nvidia EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Graphics Card SuperClocked 02G-P4-2761-BR 2GB 128bit. I took out two of the smaller, slower SATA drives and left in a 1.5 TB 7200 RPM SATA as the boot drive.

I was able to get OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 installed but my new/old Mac Pro boots in about 1:30, and is generally much slower than my 2010 17" MBP, which has just 8 GB of 1067 MHz DDR3 RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 512 MB but uses a Samsung SSD 850 PRO 512 GB for boot and storage.

I work with audio, video and still image files every day as I own and operate a small, boutique marketing and Media firm. I use the full Adobe Creative Cloud Suite, Final Cut Pro X and Motion 5 to produce professional audio and video content for my clients.

My questions are: Will the current components I have suffice or should I look at a more powerful Graphics card and 800 MHz RAM. Also, will an SSD storage upgrade give me the performance boost I am seeking. I'm considering getting a Sonnet Tempo SSD PCI Express card and a couple of SSDs to run striped for an OS X Yosemite and Windows 10 BootCamp install. But I don't want to spend all that money if it's not worth the investment. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. Cheers!
 
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I think i've found a bug in FCPX with latest nvidia web drivers 03f02

When i try to insert a transition (any transition, dissolve, blur, bloom, anything), and move my mouse on it, fcpx crash. If i try to insert default transition with CMD+T, transition is in but when i move my mouse on it, fcpx crashes. If in history i go select the transition, fcpx crashes. If i reopen fcpx and i move my mouse on a transition, crashes. So the only solution is select a portion of the timeline who contain transitions and delete.

tried do delete plist files of fcpx, no solution

tried to install nvidia drivers to 03f01....and all works fine! I can insert transitions without issues

Anyone can confirm that? You have issues with transitions and f02?

My mac is a 4,1-->5,1 , 2xXeon x5680, nvidia gtx960 4gb
 
I think i've found a bug in FCPX with latest nvidia web drivers 03f02

When i try to insert a transition (any transition, dissolve, blur, bloom, anything), and move my mouse on it, fcpx crash. If i try to insert default transition with CMD+T, transition is in but when i move my mouse on it, fcpx crashes. If in history i go select the transition, fcpx crashes. If i reopen fcpx and i move my mouse on a transition, crashes. So the only solution is select a portion of the timeline who contain transitions and delete.

tried do delete plist files of fcpx, no solution

tried to install nvidia drivers to 03f01....and all works fine! I can insert transitions without issues

Anyone can confirm that? You have issues with transitions and f02?

My mac is a 4,1-->5,1 , 2xXeon x5680, nvidia gtx960 4gb

Do you have any crash logs from these?
 
Wouldn't you agree that DIY fusion drive would be best bang for the buck?
Possibly. But I'm more interested in speed than storage capacity. I can always add four 4 TB drives to the SATA 2 drive bays in my macpro3.1. I've got to get the maximum performance that I can afford from my content creation tools: FCP X, Motion 5 & Adobe Creative Cloud 2015.
 
OK founded!

Yeah it's crashing in the NVIDIA driver:

Thread 50 Crashed:: CVDisplayLink
0 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010d08cae2 0x10cd4d000 + 3406562
1 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010d08e6e5 0x10cd4d000 + 3413733
2 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010d08f130 0x10cd4d000 + 3416368
3 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010d0d1c66 0x10cd4d000 + 3689574
4 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010d08f698 0x10cd4d000 + 3417752
5 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010cf8a1e0 0x10cd4d000 + 2347488
6 com.nvidia.web.GeForceGLDriverWeb 0x000000010d099538 0x10cd4d000 + 3458360
7 libGPUSupportMercury.dylib 0x00007fff89dc4c80 gldUpdateDrawFramebuffer + 166
8 GLEngine 0x00007fff89cceaed gleUpdateDrawFramebufferState + 560
9 GLEngine 0x00007fff89ccf927 gleDoDrawDispatchCore + 104
10 GLEngine 0x00007fff89c933c5 glDrawArrays_IMM_Exec + 237
11 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff82938e9f CI::GLContext::quad(float const*, float const*) + 277
12 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff8293a32c CI::GLContext::render_apply_node(CI::Node const*, bool) + 2182
13 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff82939778 CI::GLContext::recursive_render(CI::Node*, bool) + 786
14 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff8293963b CI::GLContext::recursive_render(CI::Node*, bool) + 469
15 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff8293951d CI::GLContext::recursive_render(CI::Node*, bool) + 183
16 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff828099a3 CI::image_render(CI::Context*, CI::Image*, CGRect, CGColorSpace*, CI::pixelFormat) + 387
17 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff827f12de -[CIContext drawImage:inRect:fromRect:] + 1368
18 com.apple.CoreImage 0x00007fff827f0c32 -[CIContext render:] + 783
19 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865d766f CA::OGL::CGLContext::render_ciimage(void const*, void const*, CGAffineTransform const&, bool) + 567
20 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865c1829 CA::OGL::emit_filter(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Filter const&, CA::OGL::Layer const&, float, CA::OGL::Surface*, float, CA::Vec2<float>, CA::Shape const*) + 1031
21 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865c1303 CA::OGL::FilterNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 401
22 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
23 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b935c CA::OGL::ImagingNode::retain_surface(float&, unsigned int) + 138
24 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2450 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 144
25 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b935c CA::OGL::ImagingNode::retain_surface(float&, unsigned int) + 138
26 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2450 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 144
27 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
28 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
29 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
30 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
31 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
32 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
33 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
34 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
35 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
36 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
37 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
38 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
39 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
40 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
41 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
42 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
43 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
44 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
45 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
46 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
47 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
48 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
49 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
50 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
51 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
52 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b3885 CA::OGL::LayerNode::apply(float, CA::OGL::Surface**, float*) + 221
53 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b2594 CA::OGL::ImagingNode::render(CA::OGL::ImagingNode::RenderClosure*, unsigned int) + 468
54 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865b233d CA::OGL::render_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::OGL::Layer*) + 192
55 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865ae2f4 CA::OGL::render_root_layers(CA::OGL::Renderer&, x_link_struct const*, CA::OGL::Gstate const&) + 420
56 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865a62d6 CA::OGL::Renderer::render(CA::Render::Update const*) + 688
57 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff865a5fb9 CA::OGL::render(CA::OGL::Renderer&, CA::Render::Update*) + 226
58 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff86593705 view_draw(_CAView*, double, CVTimeStamp const*, bool) + 2821
59 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff86592bcd view_display_link(double, CVTimeStamp const*, void*) + 150
60 com.apple.QuartzCore 0x00007fff86592a8f link_callback + 237
61 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8c2663ba CVDisplayLink::performIO(CVTimeStamp*) + 258
62 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8c265f45 CVDisplayLink::runIOThread() + 627
63 com.apple.CoreVideo 0x00007fff8c2659a9 startIOThread(void*) + 147
64 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff911489b1 _pthread_body + 131
65 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9114892e _pthread_start + 168
66 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff91146385 thread_start + 13
 
so do you think it's resolvable?
but this error it's only for me? anyone has the same problem?
 
Possibly. But I'm more interested in speed than storage capacity. I can always add four 4 TB drives to the SATA 2 drive bays in my macpro3.1. I've got to get the maximum performance that I can afford from my content creation tools: FCP X, Motion 5 & Adobe Creative Cloud 2015.

There is a thread elsewhere in this Mac Pro forum that you might find exciting.

SATA Express meets the '09 MacPro - Bootable NGFF PCIE SSD
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...the-09-macpro-bootable-ngff-pcie-ssd.1685821/

Members chime in about all cMPs from 2006-2012.

The basic idea is to attach a fast M.2 flash card to a PCIe adapter and enjoy wicked fast performance compared to SATA SSD.

It's bootable and supports TRIM (10.10.3+ native, and earlier OS X using one of Cindori's apps).

You could choose a smaller capacity (say 128GB or 256GB) and use it for boot + apps. Or you could install up to 1TB and use it for data, scratch, whatever. Treat it like any other drive and configure to your needs.

Some users are installing into multiple PCIe slots and configuring RAID0, but I wouldn't recommend that on a 2008 3,1. Newer cMPs have more slots with suitable PCIe performance, but the 3,1 PCIe slots are

Slot 1 = PCIe 2.0 = 5.0 GT/s x16 double-wide
Slot 2 = PCIe 2.0 = 5.0 GT/s x16
Slot 3 = PCIe 1.1 = 2.5 GT/s x4
Slot 4 = PCIe 1.1 = 2.5 GT/s x4

Assuming Slot 1 is dedicated to GPU, and avoiding Slots 3+4 because of their lower performance, that means you want to install it in Slot 2.

There are several vendors and parts available to implement this and it can quickly get confusing. If you want to keep it simple, focus on one of these two paths:

1. Samsung SM951 + Lycom DT-120 adapter

It is a x4 lane config, and there is a quirk in the way the Samsung controller behaves when it is seated in the x16 lane slot which means you only get half the transfer rate. However, users comment that all other functions run full speed. In a 2009 cMP or later it actually works better in Slot 3 or 4, but in the 2008 Slot 2 is still your best performance.

Example sources

SM951 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VELD92U/
DT-120 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MYCQP38/

I've just ordered them and look forward to seeing what they do in a 3,1.

2. Apple + Sintech adapter

Users search for Apple flash memory pulled from certain laptops or the nMP and attach it via a Sintech adapter designed to handle the dimensions of Apple's non-standard components.

The OP mentioned at the top of my post provides excellent info about going this route. There are many different Apple part numbers you can look for (typically on eBay).

I believe Sintech has variety of adapters depending on what you are trying to achieve. I noted ST-A2013SA is one of them. However, since I am going down the Samsung+Lycom path I am less familiar with all of the details.

Note: the Lycom adapter DOES NOT work with Apple flash, and the Sintech adapter(s?) do not work with Samsung.

Hope that helps!

[ To everyone else, sorry for drifting this thread away from it's Nvidia focus. I've been helped greatly by similar "sidebar" comments and thought this was a useful moment to return the favor! ]
 
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^^^^I don't know how the SM951 will perform in slot 2 of a 3,1 cMP. I know in slot 2 in a 4,1 or 5,1 you get half the performance than if it's in slots 3 or 4. AFAIK, no one has yet figured out why. No issue however with the Apricorn Velocity x2 in slot 2 of a 3,1 however.

With that being said, why are we getting so far off topic in this thread? This is supposed to be about Nvidia GPUs - NOT about SSDs!

Lou
 
[QUOTE = "zickboom, posta: 20835611, membro: 945.682"] Macvidcards GTX 980 mac

Salve,

Ho ricevuto la mia GTX 980-4Go macvidcards ieri.
Mac Pro 5.1 • 3,46Ghz 12 core • 64 Gb di Ram
Provato Ultima autista CUDA 6.5.46 sotto Yosemite 10.10.2, schermo bianco
Hanno schiantato due hard disk.
Sembra ultimi CUDA in pensione da Nvidia, collegamento non ha funzionato più.

Ho comprato per Philips 40 ''.

Così sono tornato alla mia ATI HD 5870 con 10.8.5
Stranamente ho installato 313.01.03f02 autista web e provato a collegare il 40 ''
?! il lavoro, davvero. Non potevo creduto.
Ho 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz (60Hz in NTSC) con display port.
E 'davvero una sorpresa perché ho provato un sacco di tempo con un sacco di autista per Mountain Lion, ma niente.

Spero che Nvidia ci danno un driver per la GTX 980 e Apple ci danno l'60Hz presto. [/ QUOTE]





sorry but you think that a ASUS gt 740 2gb is a good video card?
It works well with el capitan?
thank you
 
There is a thread elsewhere in this Mac Pro forum that you might find exciting.

SATA Express meets the '09 MacPro - Bootable NGFF PCIE SSD
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...the-09-macpro-bootable-ngff-pcie-ssd.1685821/

Members chime in about all cMPs from 2006-2012.

The basic idea is to attach a fast M.2 flash card to a PCIe adapter and enjoy wicked fast performance compared to SATA SSD.

It's bootable and supports TRIM (10.10.3+ native, and earlier OS X using one of Cindori's apps).

You could choose a smaller capacity (say 128GB or 256GB) and use it for boot + apps. Or you could install up to 1TB and use it for data, scratch, whatever. Treat it like any other drive and configure to your needs.

Some users are installing into multiple PCIe slots and configuring RAID0, but I wouldn't recommend that on a 2008 3,1. Newer cMPs have more slots with suitable PCIe performance, but the 3,1 PCIe slots are

Slot 1 = PCIe 2.0 = 5.0 GT/s x16 double-wide
Slot 2 = PCIe 2.0 = 5.0 GT/s x16
Slot 3 = PCIe 1.1 = 2.5 GT/s x4
Slot 4 = PCIe 1.1 = 2.5 GT/s x4

Assuming Slot 1 is dedicated to GPU, and avoiding Slots 3+4 because of their lower performance, that means you want to install it in Slot 2.

There are several vendors and parts available to implement this and it can quickly get confusing. If you want to keep it simple, focus on one of these two paths:

1. Samsung SM951 + Lycom DT-120 adapter

It is a x4 lane config, and there is a quirk in the way the Samsung controller behaves when it is seated in the x16 lane slot which means you only get half the transfer rate. However, users comment that all other functions run full speed. In a 2009 cMP or later it actually works better in Slot 3 or 4, but in the 2008 Slot 2 is still your best performance.

Example sources

SM951 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VELD92U/
DT-120 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MYCQP38/

I've just ordered them and look forward to seeing what they do in a 3,1.

2. Apple + Sintech adapter

Users search for Apple flash memory pulled from certain laptops or the nMP and attach it via a Sintech adapter designed to handle the dimensions of Apple's non-standard components.

The OP mentioned at the top of my post provides excellent info about going this route. There are many different Apple part numbers you can look for (typically on eBay).

I believe Sintech has variety of adapters depending on what you are trying to achieve. I noted ST-A2013SA is one of them. However, since I am going down the Samsung+Lycom path I am less familiar with all of the details.

Note: the Lycom adapter DOES NOT work with Apple flash, and the Sintech adapter(s?) do not work with Samsung.

Hope that helps!

[ To everyone else, sorry for drifting this thread away from it's Nvidia focus. I've been helped greatly by similar "sidebar" comments and thought this was a useful moment to return the favor! ]
Sailmac, you are awesome! Thank you so much for that information. It was very helpful. My apologies to the OP and others if my questions/comments were off topic. But thank you to all who helped me. Much obliged.
 
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