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if this is the case-- then why can't AT&T corporate customers get the iPhone? I just called and was told there will be no iPhones for business plans at launch. Here's what the AT&T business unit says:

The iPhone will not be available to business accounts. We'll be happy to open a new consumer account for you and transfer your business account's phone number to the new account, but you will be unable to add or upgrade to an iPhone on your AT&T business plan.

Despite the fact that I use IMAP (and have a business account) ... I find it hard to believe that at launch there are many iPhone consumers that connect to an Exchange server.
 
It was just a joke. The forecast will be useful for in the morning but lets be honest, the current temp? You are going to be seeing that when you are already outside in the weather. I was just sorta poking fun at it with my buddies. Glad its there but I dont know when I am ever gonna care to check the current temp on my phone.

You're outside sweating and your friend says "it sure is hot, I wonder how hot it is", you tell 'em "iPhone knows" and show them. Then you both come to your senses and go inside where it's air conditioned. ;)
 
So Exchange integration will be announced tomorrow.

I heard Adobe is making an iPhone-specific Flash implementation which minimizes battery use. This will be announced Thursday, of course.
 
All is not as rosy as it seems at first blush. First, it's Exchange 2003 or 2007. Exchange 2000 users are SOL (and there are still quite a few out there). Second, your IT group has to enable ActiveSync - it's not automatic. Third, you still require specific AS settings from your device to gain access - IT may not want to give those out based on the device connecting (such is the case I have with Palm devices. They won't allow it). Silly, but corporate IT groups can be like that.

I'm not holding out much hope for the iPhone in my own (corporate) case...

Exchange 2000 users have been SOL for a while now. ActiveSync 4.5, which came out in February, dropped Exchange 2000 from its compatibility list.

I know my company won't allow iPhones for a while. So far, they don't even allow Outlook 2007 on all but one of our Exchange Servers, so it will be several months before the iPhone gets the needed Stamp-of-Approval, and the iPhone client will be allowed onto the network (if at all, that is - so far, Crackberries reign solo).

If Apple really wanted to get more corporate users, they would enable MPLS, so we could extend our VPN network through our phones. Enough of us network guys inside the company would probably stand up and start poking our network security policy guys with pointy sticks that they might rush through the approval at that point.
 
I'll believe it when I see it

I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this story is very flimsily sourced, and it comes from a ZDNet Microsoft blogger.

Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but it has the look of a post designed to elevate expectations, which are then dashed when the promised feature doesn't materialize. Another way to create FUD.

I very much hope it's true -- it would be a great advantage for the iPhone. But I am going to hold my optimism on this one for the official release.
 
So Exchange integration will be announced tomorrow.

I heard Adobe is making an iPhone-specific Flash implementation which minimizes battery use. This will be announced Thursday, of course.

I dont know where you heard this but I hope it is true. That would make me very happy. That only leaves iChat as far as I am concerned. I assume that will come soon though.
 
Quick dumb question on forwarding e-mail

I'm sure this is a dumb question - but maybe someone could answer.

My Company uses Exchange, they use blackberry - but they won't let you put one on the network if you purchase it - and only certain levels can get a phone through the company.

A co-worker did buy a blackberry and was able to install a program on her local computer that forwarded her e-mail to her blackberry. It would only work if Outlook was up I think, but at least she was able to get her mail.

If this story is true with MS - should we be able to do this too???
 
OK, here is an article I am working on as a response to a Ziff Davis article I read a few days ago, about Macs, IT (IS) the iPhone, etc.

It in detail breaks down my first hand perspective of Macs, IT, iPhone and Exchange, it is long, but very thorough, I also predict some solution forth coming. This could be that solution.

There is so much information coming out on this, I felt compelled to thoroughly break it down for the average Mac / iPhone user.

I am going to post this on my blog, at www.macintoshmusic.com, any suggestions for getting that blogged article linked to say macrumors or macsurfer, etc. Thanks.

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Apple, the iPhone, the nature of IT, (I mean IS), and the Revolution

It is really IS - Information Services, not IT - Inhibitors of Technology

Many of the these departments see themselves as something other than technology customer service, (which is in reality the essence of what they are), a service that should listen and deliver to the customer, exactly what they want, if not these same IT people should be out of jobs, its that simple.

We just moved to an All in house IS (Information Services) model, the emphasis on Information Service, and our director of infrastructure, has to be the most fair, balanced person and technology director I have ever met.
He has no bias or agenda against Apple or the Mac, but he I would say he is rare. In all my IT experience, many IT people make it very clear that they indeed have a bias / agenda on anything other that Microsoft, (and especially the Mac), as was stated in your article about the gentlemen who said, "he would quit first, rather than allow the Mac in his environment".

This says it all.

First, it's not "his" environment, it's the customers, the users environment. Information Services exist to serve and protect, serve and protect the user and company (data, finances, laws, regulations, compliance, security, etc).
Second, this IT industry (unbeknownst to themselves) has always been a service industry, not a bully pulpit, where IT feels they are the Big Brother / FBI agents of the company.
Let's face it, this same bully pulpit philosophy has practically defined corporate IT in the past, it is its stigma, IMO anyway. I have personally observed, that this type of attitude, philosophy and model is becoming more and more obsolete every day.

As was also stated in your article and totally spot on as I see this everyday, users are smart and getting smarter, they no loner need or require "IT" to to tell them which technology to use, they know what they want, and they go get it, and Apple, Macs and the iPhone are a huge part of that. Our directors stance is that people can use whatever tool (computer) device they choose. There is a recognition, an acceptance of Apple, the Mac, Mac OS X, in general advancing and cutting edge technologies. At our facility, users can pick from a standard configuration and Macs are on that list. Users are going to pick the computer platform of their choice, typically if they have been using a Mac for their work, they will select a Mac, and same for a Windows PC.

As long as the computer meets the hospitals IS compliance and security standards, all Mac and Windows must be at the latest OS. Macs, 10.4.10, Windows, XP SP2 and latest updates. All Macs and Windows machines must have virus software and updates (McAfee). There are policies in place concerning personal machines used for work for (typically Macs and Windows laptops) the same policies stated above apply and we have limited support and the user must allow IS to have an admin account on that machine (remote access), all to better serve the customer.

This anti-Mac thing in IT, in my opinion, is such an old argument that holds very little if any validity. It is purely an "emotional" bias that some IT managers have been searching long and hard to find reasons to keep Macs out, but it's not working. The emperor has no clothes.

This same attitude is being applied to the iPhone. But as we know, the iPhone is being marketed as a consumer device, the user (yes this same user that IT will come in contact with) is the reason you have a job, and if they speak, (and especially if the CEO, COO, or any VP speaks) and wants an iPhone, it will happen, in any event that is how the Blackberry infiltrated IT in the first place.

In fact here is a news-flash: People use Macs in corporate environments all the time. IT is free to say of course, "we don't (allow) or support the Mac", and be expected to cite reasons for this.

Of course exactly what does this "support" really mean. Let's look at that next.

No Technology, Security or other damn reason Macs can not be inclusive and equal citizens in any MS Exchange / AD environment

Is it,

1) IT saying you cannot put that Mac on "our" network at all, just because, well that is just plain stupid and those people's jobs / rationale should be scrutinized.
2) IT saying you can put that Mac on "our" network with certain minimum standards / protections, this of course makes sense and is valid.

I have been supporting Macs and Mac OS X in MS AD/Exchange environments for years, is it possible, of course it is.

Does Apple or MS make it easy, No.

While Apple does have their AD plugin, it is not extensive, so one may have to turn to such tools as Centrify's Direct Control which look to be a great solution, providing actual SMS and Group Policies to Mac clients, etc.

Here's my observation of Apple in the enterprise / MS, etc. Apple really couldn't care less about Macs in an AD environment, it is not their core business and MS also couldn't care less, they push AD and Exchange.

Also key to mention, Apple has no delusions that Mac OS X Server and OD (Open Directory /LDAP) will summarily replace AD/Exchange. Apple knows this will not happen at the enterprise level (5000 users plus).

But, Apple knows this could happen at the Small to Medium Business level.

For example, all these cool Final Cut Pro, 3D graphics Mac shops here in Hollywood who are getting slammed by MS Exchange CALs (costly connection licenses) and have to hire a full-time Windows AD/Exchange admin, and get not so great MS Exchange mail/calendar in the process. They are looking for a cheaper, sleeker and more than likely Apple/Mac solution.

Apple's answer: Leopard Server: Teams, Mail Server, Wiki, PodCast Producer, CalDAV. One server, no CALs. I for one think this is genius on Apple's part. Know your business demographic.


Macs, IT, Apple Mail App, Exchange

There is (currently) no native MAPI Exchange email client for Mac OS X period, much less the iPhone.

Yet Macs can access Exchange mail servers via Apple Mail App or (Entourage) (not natively, as on Windows Outlook).

It can be done, I do it. IMAP must be turned on on the Exchange server. Is it great? If you have 1000's of emails and attachments, it is Not Great. Period. It is somewhat slow with a lot of mail and attachments.

These Mac Mail App on Exchange issues are generally known across the industry.

But, if you keep your mail box pruned and streamlined, Mail, Exchange, IMAP work fine for me and most people.

But if you keep your mail pruned and streamlined this is also true of Windows Outlook users on these same Exchange servers.

I get the following question often and I believe there is some insight to be garnered.

Why does Apple's Dot Mac IMAP work so fast and I have 1000's of email, why does my university IMAP mail work so great, so fast? So perhaps it's not the nature of IMAP, but MS's implementation of IMAP that very well could be, that MS's IMAP just sucks and is slow on Exchange servers, but after all does MS really care, for the most part IMAP is turned off and Windows Outlook clients are connecting via MS's MAPI.

Outlook, MAPI and Exchange

Will MS ever make another true Mac Mail App that connects to Exchange natively, as Win Outlook does?, or provide Active Sync, don't know, maybe.

Which leads me to this, I submit the following to be true of Microsoft and most MS IT shops, actually an axiom of sorts.

You have got to think that MS likes the idea that a strategy to keep Macs out of IT, is that Macs cannot (natively connect) to Exchange via MAPI, no true Exchange / Calendar client for the Mac, which often times means no Macs in IT, and after all IT is mostly Windows and let's keep it that way.

Anyone who tells me that MS and the corresponding IT world (which is mostly MS) does not like this not so little mutually beneficial arrangement and the perpetuating of it, is lying, they love it.
More business / money for MS and more job security for Windows (only) IT professionals.

iPhone in "IT" on Exchange, Backberry's and Treo's

The big iPhone question:

Can the iPhone connect natively to an MS Exchange company e-mail / calendar server?

Let's be very clear, the iPhone in its current functionality, is not a Treo or Blackberry, where in the event new (Exchange) email arrives, it is automatically "pushed" to you. OK, that is clear.

But the answer is, as far as we know, No, (with Active Sync, Yes).

Is a solution / announcement by Steve Jobs coming. I would have to think Apple / SJ and the senior executives talked about this solution on day one of the iPhone, and I'll bet anything you can count on this one thing happening in some incarnation, soon.

Macs (Apple) are kept out of IT by there not being a truly native Exchange mail / calendar client solution, but getting and keeping Macs in a typical IT world has been up until now a hard sell, not so with iPhone.

iPhones, will be prolific. Let's examine. Apple can hope for perhaps a 10% plus growth in Mac sales per year. So if in 2007 Apple sells, let's say 10 millions Macs, they can hope for 11 million in 2008, 1 million more.

Analysts are projecting 10 of millions of iPhones to be sold by the month. The iPhone (and future like devices) is Apple's growth area, but I also add, the iPhone is well, still a Mac, it has Mac OS X on it and Safari, etc.

So will IT support the iPhone?

I am trying to really understand what we mean by support the iPhone in an IT environment, because let's first see exactly what the iPhone is and what we mean by "support".

It is:

1) A truly new device, that just happens to be based on the rather stable and powerful Mac OS X, it is a computer really in your palm.
2) But also a new type of computer, not one IT has come across in the past. It is a computer that limits what can be installed on it by the user (which I believe is a good thing) one that just works really, for all the cool stuff you would want or need: phone, email, chat, calendar, web, ipod, web browse.

In other words, not a typical desktop that can demand endless hours to maintain / "support".

I submit a computer, that will need little to no IT support.

It will need no support beyond IT saying we are on Exchange mail and these are your options, or we are on IMAP/POP mail and these are your options,

So if your company is on Exchange Mail and you are on an iPhone, with Mac Mail App and Safari, these are your options (currently),

1) Provided your company has an OWA, Outlook Web Access server, you can log into that via Safari web browser. Now, Admittedly on ATT's Edge, it will be slow and cumbersome (you will have to log in), no automatic email coming to you. Not great.

2) Forward your work Exchange mail to your .Mac (or iPhone / Yahoo Push IMAP), forward it at your local Mac or at your server.

3) Your company or (university) is not on an Exchange mail server and uses standard IMAP with SSL just like .Mac does

3) Pray and hope a slick and powerful iPhone native Exchange solution / announcement by Apple / Steve Jobs is coming very soon, as I mention above.

I also submit, the iPhone will be a huge hit period, mainly in the consumer space and while this IS corporate email / calendar functionality is a good idea (cannot hurt), it will not hurt the sales of iPhone and it's huge proliferation that much at all.

Apple continues to say, "We are a consumer company, that is our market" and I believe it.

The Mobile Wi-Fi Revolution

Let's discuss cellular and Wi-Fi.

It seems to me (2.5 / 3G) is old and not where Apple or ATT are ultimately going. (Yes, HSDPA is faster, but still cellular).

How long has 802.11 been around? 7 years plus?

Was it still faster than cellular 7 years ago? Yes.

Why have the wireless telecom companies not rolled out Voice Over IP (VOIP) over Wi-Fi to replace slow, aging, costly, cellular networks? Where are these cool new Wi-Fi devices that will use it and justify its building cost?

It seems to me the wireless telecom industry is like those who build a bridge and say, we are going to charge you a 3 buck toll to go over this bridge and this will pay for the bridge. It will be fully paid for in 3 years, we'll say.

And 6 years later they are still charging 3 buck toll to get over the bridge. No one says anything. They hope the people don't notice, don't dare ask. Where is all this money going?, the bridge has been built.

These wireless telecoms keep getting paid regardless, even if they do not upgrade their infrastructure. This is the core issue.

Then comes the iPhone, that has what on it, Wi-Fi, the real trojan horse of the iPhone.

I am trying to imagine SJ and Phil S, etc in the first meetings with ATT on the iPhone and ATT being selected as the iPhone carrier,

You think someone from ATT didn't raise their hand and say, "Hey Apple I notice there is Wi-Fi on the iPhone, are you (Apple) going to provide a iChat / Skype type VOIP application and allow people to make "free" calls over Wi-Fi, 802.11g/n.

And I'll bet Steve J chuckled to himself initially, looked over to Phil and then said this to ATT,

"You know what guys, you bet your ass we are, and you can get in on this, or do you want someone else to profit on this VOIP / Wi-Fi venture, I am sure other wireless telecoms are already planning on a wide-scale provisioning of Wi-Fi / telecom infrastructure throughout the U.S. as the future, aren't you"

Anyone else notice the glaring absence of one application on the iPhone, full iChat, why?

Yes you have texting, but where's the full iChat. SJ will eventually announce it when it is ready with all the VOIP / SIP technologies, functionality, etc.

I believe ATT is already planning for this now and in the future, cellular technology is expensive, old and dead compared to Wi-Fi, Wi-Max, VOIP. That's where all this is going, and I believe SJ is leveraging the iPhone as the impetus to finally break the logjam of stagnant technology / old data infrastructure of the wireless telecoms, and I do believe ATT gets it, we'll see.

Now any suggestions for how to best get my iPhone on Friday, the 29th at 6 p.m.?


John is an Apple Sr. Systems Engineer in Los Angeles, specializing in Apple pro audio/video and Information Services solutions, guitarist / music producer.
 
Bah! I wonder if MS makes an applet for Exchange Push, will Blackberry make one too? My office uses BB so exchange support isnt very helpful.
 
Why AAPL down then?

With all these great announcements about the iPhone, why did it take a big hit today?.... Any ideas?
 
That only leaves iChat as far as I am concerned. I assume that will come soon though.

Adding Exchange capability would make the iPhone cost a little more, but it would not eat into a current revenue source and it would increase sales.

Adding iChat might eat into Apple/AT&T's current plan to charge $20 per month for unlimited SMS messages (I can't believe anyone who uses SMS regularly sends only 200 or fewer per month, so they will probably pay the upgrade fee). So I think this chance might be slimmer.

Maybe iChat will be activated if you pay the $20 fee for unlimited texting?
 
I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this story is very flimsily sourced, and it comes from a ZDNet Microsoft blogger.

Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but it has the look of a post designed to elevate expectations, which are then dashed when the promised feature doesn't materialize. Another way to create FUD.

I very much hope it's true -- it would be a great advantage for the iPhone. But I am going to hold my optimism on this one for the official release.

I agree. This story just happens to come from two sources that have tried to kill the iPhone since it was announced in January (ZdNet, EnGadget).

If this is true, it makes the iPhone even better, but if it's not, I'm still gonna buy it, because I don't even need Exchange. The less Microsoft influence on the iPhone the better, so what if it makes the "business world" mad.

It's funny reading these posts from these "business" types, acting like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Unfortunately, there are other types of people out there, in fact, millions of them who want this product...
 
Nah, The Haters will find other reasons, They are not looking for reasons to like Apple Products they are only looking for reasons to hate them. It is that simple. We (as the general overall Macintosh and Alternative OS users) tend to do the same with Microsoft windows, no matter how bad our product is we will find the one thing that it does better then windows to show how bad Windows is.
Speaking as an owner of an iPod video, iPod nano, and a brand new Macbook Pro 17" with a 30" Cinema display that functions as my computer and my entire entertainment center, making virtually all the technology I own Apple stuff, I am not going to buy an iPhone without GPS.

Why? Because I think they'll add it later and I'm patient. I'll buy it if and when they do.
 
Speaking as an owner of an iPod video, iPod nano, and a brand new Macbook Pro 17" with a 30" Cinema display that functions as my computer and my entire entertainment center, making virtually all the technology I own Apple stuff, I am not going to buy an iPhone without GPS.

Why? Because I think they'll add it later and I'm patient. I'll buy it if and when they do.
awesome setup dude.
 
It's irrelevant unless you have email on an exchange server somewhere, which is usually at work.
Don't forget us at university ;). This isn't a deal breaker or deal maker for me (since I was already sold), but would be wonderful to have so I could check my .Mac e-mail, as well as my school e-mail on my iPhone.
 
Hu-FREAKING-mongous.

Exchange is the difference in Fortune 500 companies buying iPhones by the thousand and completely ignoring them. This would send a very strong message to the business buyer that Apple is going to support the iPhone as both a business and a personal device.
 
IMAP support for Exchange does not mean full-fledged Exchange support. (And apparently, ActiveSync isn't a slam dunk, either.)

Am I the only one who thinks that there's no chance Apple will pay Microsoft to license any of their proprietary systems?

EDIT: Thought about this a bit more - Apple has to license Exchange for their Mail app, right? Maybe it's the same deal.
Think about it just a little more. It's a separate product license you BUY. Apple wouldn't simply "include" this out of the starting gate, thereby paying license fees for every iPhone they ship. Even if its a minimal painless update, that's the power of having a good OS that features side-loading as part of its natural environment (iTunes). Even Nokia is talking up side-loading benefits.

~ CB
 
Walt Mossberg does NOT confirm this.

The "setting on the server" required to make the iPhone work with Exchange is most likely that IMAP be enabled. This is and has been known, and Apple would not announce a change to that plan via a cryptic message from Walt Mossberg.

ZDNet might have scooped everyone, or might not.
 
Not an IT guy asks...

Would somebody please tell me if VersaMail works on my Treo 700p will the iPhone connect with Microsoft Exchange Server? Whatever I need my IT department to enable for iPhone use should be what the Treo 700 and VersaMail need also. Right? And what about syncing Task lists?
 
The rumor about FULL Exchange support has not been confirmed at all!

The "setting" is about enabling IMAP support for Exchange. While that allows push email from Exchange via IDLE, it does not mean full Exchange support- instant syncing of contacts/calendars- which is what the rumor was about.
 
Confirmed!??!?!?

I think we have all lost our iMinds. Nothing has changed. We knew from day one that the iPhone would support IMAP, and as said before THAT IS NOT EXCHANGE SUPPORT. The problem is that alot of IT departments will not turn it on. But again, this is not the fault of Apple it is the fault of organizations that have locked themselves into a non-standard protocol and refuse to support open standards. If you look around on the web you will see that this debate has been going on for sometime. Just for the record I plan to get one, so please, don't call me a hater.
 
The "setting on the server" required to make the iPhone work with Exchange is most likely that IMAP be enabled. This is and has been known, and Apple would not announce a change to that plan via a cryptic message from Walt Mossberg.

ZDNet might have scooped everyone, or might not.

Yes, I just want to repeat this. I think MacRumors jumped the gun by updating their story on this. Mossberg does not confirm the Exchange ActiveSync discussed in the original part of the story.
 
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