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abz786

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Sep 1, 2007
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what do you mean run at native speed as to running in the vmware?
im just installing xp with fusion, didnt like parallels, but yeah please explain
thx
 

Neil321

macrumors 68040
what do you mean run at native speed as to running in the vmware?
im just installing xp with fusion, didnt like parallels, but yeah please explain
thx

Bootcamp allows you to run Windows as a separate OS,if running through a VM
it acts like a program

To have the best of both worlds download fusion & let it run of your bootcamp partition
 

abz786

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Sep 1, 2007
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Alberta, Canada
so sorry im really out of it these past few days
im thinking about doing a format
and then re partioning my hard-drive
160gb so i want approx 30 gb for windows (bootcamp) and the rest OSX
so i format, and run bootcamp assitant and partion 30gb for bootcamp
then i install fusion onton the bootcampled partion and then install windows xp via fusion?
 

emperoruriel

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Feb 27, 2008
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Evidence by Cnet

Searching a bit for the differences between Parallels and VMware Fusion has allowed me to find a few articles of useful comparison.

Here is a supposed Cnet test that shows Windows virtual machine performances on the Mac.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9760910-1.html

Although the tests are a bit old, they show that Fusion is faster than Parallels. I do not know how current the data is to that effect, but at least, this may help some people decide which software to use. :)

As metioned before, I heavily recommend trying out the softwares before making the purchase.:D
 

sixth

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Aug 16, 2006
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Fusion all the way, been running it since the first Beta...I run bootcamp and use fusion when i am in os x, (90 percent of the time in os x) only time I use boot camp is to game..fusion doesnt alter the boot camp partition like parallels does...plus u cant beat vmware's amazing product support/reliability and quality...(no offense to parallels, just had to many issues with it)..
 

nikopolidis

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Dec 21, 2007
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Here is a supposed Cnet test that shows Windows virtual machine performances on the Mac.
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9760910-1.html
Although the tests are a bit old, they show that Fusion is faster than Parallels. I do not know how current the data is to that effect, but at least, this may help some people decide which software to use. :)


Well, I have another one that proves reverse: Parallels Desktop is faster than VMWare... Don't know how old it is but it looks rather convincing...

As metioned before, I heavily recommend trying out the softwares before making the purchase.:D

Absolutely agree with you! But in my case I didn't try both Parallels and VMWare. I've chosen Parallels right away and didn't mistake. I like it much as it fully satisfies my needs with excellent performance... :)
 

Neil321

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Well, I have another one that proves reverse: Parallels Desktop is faster than VMWare... Don't know how old it is but it looks rather convincing...



Absolutely agree with you! But in my case I didn't try both Parallels and VMWare. I've chosen Parallels right away and didn't mistake. I like it much as it fully satisfies my needs with excellent performance... :)

Stability & support are what matters not speed
 

richard.mac

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Feb 2, 2007
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which is better for using with Boot Camp? i currently have Parallels using my Boot Camp Windows XP partition but setting it up was not what i call user friendly.

i had to add the line "disk0s3" in a plist file so i could access boot camp properly. isnt it common for a second partition on the main boot disk to be "disk0s3"?

then in windows i had to change the boot order in the advanced bit of the computer properties sheet as it kept on booting the Parallels special boot thingy and showed a boot error.

even when using Boot Camp Parallels loads slowly and seems to slow down my machine a lot more than installing a regular Windows VM (specs in sig).

is fusion a lot better at handling Boot Camp than Parallels? because im not very pleased with Parallels.
 

Neil321

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which is better for using with Boot Camp? i currently have Parallels using my Boot Camp Windows XP partition but setting it up was not what i call user friendly.

i had to add the line "disk0s3" in a plist file so i could access boot camp properly. isnt it common for a second partition on the main boot disk to be "disk0s3"?

then in windows i had to change the boot order in the advanced bit of the computer properties sheet as it kept on booting the Parallels special boot thingy and showed a boot error.

even when using Boot Camp Parallels loads slowly and seems to slow down my machine a lot more than installing a regular Windows VM (specs in sig).

is fusion a lot better at handling Boot Camp than Parallels? because im not very pleased with Parallels.

Me im gonna say yes as im a big fusion fan,i like you had aload of issues,when i first thought id try a vm, i tried
parallels first but after i think it was a week i ditched it and gave fusion ago.

My advice would be to give it ago,you can get it on a trial the same as parallel's

If you do give it ago this is the order to follow otherwise your'll run into validating windows problems

1 Authorise windows in bootcamp
2 install fusion
3 install tools
4 Authorise again
 

richard.mac

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Feb 2, 2007
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Me im gonna say yes as im a big fusion fan,i like you had aload of issues,when i first thought id try a vm, i tried
parallels first but after i think it was a week i ditched it and gave fusion ago.

My advice would be to give it ago,you can get it on a trial the same as parallel's

If you do give it ago this is the order to follow otherwise your'll run into validating windows problems

1 Authorise windows in bootcamp
2 install fusion
3 install tools
4 Authorise again

thanks! do i have to uninstall the Parallels tools? will they conflict in any way with the Fusion tools? also i didnt have to authorise windows again in Parallels.
 

Neil321

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thanks! do i have to uninstall the Parallels tools? will they conflict in any way with the Fusion tools? also i didnt have to authorise windows again in Parallels.

To be honest im not sure, i just rid everything that had to do with parallel's before i installed fusion just to be on the safe side.Im also unsure about the authorise parallel's bit as it has been a long while since i uninstalled it. The authorise fusion bit holds true 100% as i wrote it down when i installed fusion and its since been confirmed by other members.

Neil
 

Mr. Zarniwoop

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Jun 9, 2005
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Well, I have another one that proves reverse: Parallels Desktop is faster than VMWare... Don't know how old it is but it looks rather convincing...
I actually don't like that article. It's not based on the actual differences between the speed of Windows applications themselves under Parallels Desktop vs. VMware Fusion. Instead, it's based on "productivity" differences where Windows applications are launched from OS X or vice versa (like opening Mac Excel from a Windows Outlook attachment, or opening Windows Excel from a Mac Entourage attachment). In this case, Parallels has a nifty feature that allows associating Windows applications with OS X files and vice-versa, VMware does not, and in the test they count the time in VMware to save the attachment, manually launch whatever version of Excel, manually find the file, and then open it to the actual application results. Boo.

For that reason, I think it's actually more a marketing tool to sell that Parallels feature (which is nifty) then a real comparison of the two. It'd be like a benchmark that relied on VMware's dual core support (where Parallels only supports one) and then built a suite of tests that relied on that dual core support to beat Parallels... it'd not really be a good comparison, but it'd be a great marketing tool. Or worse, a set of 64-bit Vista tests... oops! Parallels can't run that! And it wouldn't really be a test, would it?

It's not what people expect in a benchmark. They want to see stuff like here's a nasty Excel macro, how long does it take to execute under Parallels vs. VMware. Or the same game on both. Or the same exact task with the same exact clicks on both. Or the impact on CPU use with the same exact task, or memory, or response time.

I also HATE how they present charts in that article, it's like they were purposely trying to make it difficult to compare the products and draw conclusions. :eek:
 

dpuckett

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Nov 8, 2006
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Just wanted to add my name to the tried both and picked Fusion list. I am a network consultant and often have to build out test environments for clients. I have a fairly beefy Mac Pro which allows me to run up to 8 virtual machines at the same time. Never once has Fusion crashed on me. Another thing that gives Fusion the nod is the portability of the virtual machines. I can throw my files onto a usb drive and run take them with me and demo them on Windows, Linux (free) or a Mac with Fusion.
 

chicagdan

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Jan 3, 2002
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Chicago, IL
If you decide to use converter in Fusion to convert your old pc to a virtual machine you WILL encounter a window licensing issue. you will be prompted for an activation key that IS NOT the one associated with the old pc...it is looking for a new license key for windows...so you'll be forced to give Billy of Redmond more money.

I have been told this is NOT an issue with parallels but is a real problem with Fusion. Go to the VMWARE forums and search for acivation key threads.

That wasn't my experience. VMWare converted an old VirtualPC Windows XP disk image, asked for the activation key and took it without a problem.
 

lugesm

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2007
572
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That wasn't my experience. VMWare converted an old VirtualPC Windows XP disk image, asked for the activation key and took it without a problem.

DANG! :mad: I bought a new XP disk to install under Fusion, even though I had two legitimate XP disks that came with earlier Windows machines.
 

pastrychef

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Sep 15, 2006
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New York City, NY
As I've stated in the past, Fusion used to crash on me after running 24/7 for several days on my old 1st gen Mac Pro. Well, I've upgraded to an Early '08 Mac Pro and I'm giving it another shot...
 

mkrad

macrumors member
Feb 14, 2008
59
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Midwest, USA
Tested Parallels and Fusion with WinXP and Vista32 - for stability and features, Fusion won hands down. Sees every bit of RAM, will run variety of OS's...
 

antdgar

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Oct 5, 2007
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I have used both fusion and parallels. I prefer fusion as it has never crashed. Parallels has crashed and frozen many times. I also prefer the drag and drop concept in fusion. And fusion doesn't try to associate with .exe in mac osx by default.
 

pastrychef

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Sep 15, 2006
4,754
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New York City, NY
I have used both fusion and parallels. I prefer fusion as it has never crashed. Parallels has crashed and frozen many times. I also prefer the drag and drop concept in fusion. And fusion doesn't try to associate with .exe in mac osx by default.

That can be turned off in Parallels.
 

pastrychef

macrumors 601
Sep 15, 2006
4,754
1,453
New York City, NY
As I've stated in the past, Fusion used to crash on me after running 24/7 for several days on my old 1st gen Mac Pro. Well, I've upgraded to an Early '08 Mac Pro and I'm giving it another shot...

I'm happy to say that I had Fusion running 24/7 for about 10 days without any problems. I don't know what it was about my 1st gen Mac Pro that caused it to crash, but it seems to be sorted out now... I liked that it seemed to use much less memory than Parallels.

However, during the last 10 days, I couldn't help but notice that it is significantly slower than Parallels. I had Fusion configured to use 2 virtual processors and 3GB RAM compared to Parallel's single processor and 2GB RAM. When monitoring Activity Monitor, I never saw Fusion's CPU usage go beyond about 80%.

To those who have really used recent versions of both for a reasonable amount of time:

Have you noticed the same things as I? Is Fusion really using two processors?

Thanks.
 

Mr. Zarniwoop

macrumors 6502a
Jun 9, 2005
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However, during the last 10 days, I couldn't help but notice that it is significantly slower than Parallels.
This has not been my experience. Fusion was a touch faster with identical settings, but not much. It was definitely lighter on CPU and RAM, however.

Is Fusion really using two processors?
Yes. Check the Windows HAL, you'll see it sees two CPUs. Run multiple CPU-intensive Windows applications or a single multi-threaded CPU-intensive Windows applications, when I do I get up to 200% CPU usage in a Fusion VM on my pre-2008 Mac Pro.
 
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