They are not unique features in macos. There are hardware features on a higher end model.
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They are not unique features in macos. There are hardware features on a higher end model.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I know there is no unique feature in MacOS for Mac Pro so why should it be for iPad Pro? The idea from some poster that iPad Pro M1 is significantly unique is unreasonable.
No the whole story here seem to be that there are a substatial amount of people who are b*** hurt because they either cannot afford the top model of iPad Pro or realise they are not "pro" enough to utilise the iPad Pro to its full potential.
Future of iPad Pro:
Hardware: M2, M3, M4...15 inch. I am not sure Apple dare to make a 20-24 inch desktop iPad.
Software: As the hardware is there, competent software will follow. Look what has happened the last years in terms of software. Some App developers have been on the fence (Adobe, Microsoft) while other has made some really great software (e.g Affinity) almost from start.
Depending on what you do for work we can se a continuous spectrum from 100% iPad user to 100% Mac/PC user with better Mac/iPad integration any ratio of usage in-between. Any usage pattern if fine and should be widely accepted by the community.
No the whole story here seem to be that there are a substatial amount of people who are b*** hurt because they either cannot afford the top model of iPad Pro or realise they are not "pro" enough to utilise the iPad Pro to its full potential.
Future of iPad Pro:
Hardware: M2, M3, M4...15 inch. I am not sure Apple dare to make a 20-24 inch desktop iPad.
Software: As the hardware is there, competent software will follow. Look what has happened the last years in terms of software. Some App developers have been on the fence (Adobe, Microsoft) while other has made some really great software (e.g Affinity) almost from start.
Depending on what you do for work we can se a continuous spectrum from 100% iPad user to 100% Mac/PC user with better Mac/iPad integration any ratio of usage in-between. Any usage pattern if fine and should be widely accepted by the community.
People have difficulties with see difference between an OS and an App as is apparent also in his thread. But hardware and OS, that is a new one.
congrats for your workflow it works! but the hundreds of comments in this forum and 100% of iPad reviews for the last two iterations have brought up the hardware writing a check that the software can't cash.
I have never utilized the full potential of any computing device that I've owned, and that's going back to the mid-1980s. I look at what I need and what device does that best. Budget does come into play -- the law of diminishing returns kicks in.
But the angst over the new M1 iPad Pros is beyond me. On one hand, the hardware of the iPad Pros has always outpaced the software, increasingly so it seems. On another, each iteration does what it does better than the previous model. But this year's 12.9" has delivered the best iPad screen to date, no little matter to me because the distinguishing part of the iPad is the screen.
Apple is in the business of delivering the best hardware and software that it can in order to make the most profit that it can. They know the business better than I do, and I can choose to buy whatever best satisfies my needs and desires.
But the angst over the new M1 iPad Pros is beyond me. On one hand, the hardware of the iPad Pros has always outpaced the software, increasingly so it seems. On another, each iteration does what it does better than the previous model. But this year's 12.9" has delivered the best iPad screen to date, no little matter to me because the distinguishing part of the iPad is the screen.
Apple is in the business of delivering the best hardware and software that it can in order to make the most profit that it can. They know the business better than I do, and I can choose to buy whatever best satisfies my needs and desires.
Only really in terms of terms development or regarding apps which aren’t yet or never will be available due to the developer not wanting to port over, a huge chunk of which aren’t even on MacOS. Lots of these negative comments are by people wanting what isn’t likely to be happening, MacOS on the ipad, terminal access, even xcode. Stuff like Mathematica, chess stress tests.. etc etc. For the apps in which the ipad specialises, there are plenty of killer apps. Never has the words ‘vocal minority‘ been more apparent than when talking about the ipad on the internet.
...and what is wrong with that? No need to think about any hardware restraints is the ideal situation and absolutely necessary for professional work.
iPad reviews from whom? Tech bloggers? They are not using the iPad for anything significant and they are also heavily Mac biased.
I reckon I have. I remember not using the PC at all when I was burning a CD or else I'd get a coaster. By contrast, I'm appreciating the excess of CPU and I/O performance we now have.
As for hardware outpacing software, it seems like that's mostly coming from users who want to see MacOS or certain Apple software like FCPX and Xcode on the iPad.
I'm coming from Windows originally so I've got no hangup about Macs and MacOS being better. Are there things I can't do on the iPad and need a PC for? Yes. However, those are things I only need to do once in a blue moon. For personal use (mostly web-based), I enjoy using the iPad (in tablet mode) far more than PC/Mac.
The problem is that everyone's use case is different. I think some of the noise is frustration in a few easily solved OS shortcomings that would dramatically make the iPad much more usable for some uses and people could take more advantage of some of that power. But Apple has their own vision that they aren't sharing with us so people always get their expectations way too high and are vocally disappointed when we get widgets and emojis.
I'm glad you think you can know exactly what 9to5mac, Macrumors, Appleinsinder, SlashGear, Verge, Techcrunch, TechRadar, Tom's Guide, Cult of Mac, etc. etc. etc. are using the iPad for and that their reviews are all biased.
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It really all boils down the reality that iPad could be the one device for all our needs if Apple let it. That's why we are vocal. Your approach seems to be "don't ask for things you don't think Apple will give you"
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Apple vision is for consumers to buy multiple devices... Universal Control comes to mind. I believe DailyTekk pointed an obvious oversight... on Apple website there's comparisons between Macs, but no comparison between an iPad versus a Mac.
Me personally, I could care less in owning a Mac... no shade to those who do. I'm fully aware that the iPad have shortcomings, but also aware that Apple will address them when the time comes.
My approach? Way to stick a word in someone’s gob. My needs are met with the iPad, and any that are not are I voice as part of the vocal minority I mentioned.
An iPad is more suitable for a great deal of stuff than a mac can ever be. And the opposite is also true. But both on one machine won’t work- not in apples world anyway.
The reviewers are raised with the idea that iPad are for consumption and that Macs are for work. If you do some independent thinking and use your experience of the iPad as an invaluable tool you can easily see through the reviewers bias. Much of it is regurgitated at Macrumors. Are all needing a iPad pro do help them or do their work? Certainly not, but most of us does not need an Mac Pro either.
By the was a personal computer is too powerful when it exports a 2h 4k movie in 1 second. Not even the M1 is there yet.
I have much better respect for Anandtech Reviews than any of the listed ones.
Why on Earth for? Mac is better for some tasks. I never understood why one device should do everything.
You are right, Mac is better for some tasks because MacOS is more capable and has robust 3rd party software software. I would love for iPadOS to have the same capabilities as MacOS but that's just not reality (for now). Why should one device do everything? 1. Cost - why pay $1,500+ for laptop and $1,000+ for iPad if one device can meet all your needs. 2. Portability - why would I want to lug around two devices if one device can meet all my needs?
There are two ways to accomplish a single device:
1. Make iPadOS capable of handling work productivity workflow - doable but Apple is stuck on idea of iPad being touch driven device and resists adding a docked/keyboard/mouse driven mode. Granted - 3rd party software vendors would need to up their game as well.
2. Allow iPad Pro to dual boot MacOS (without touch interface) - with the 2021 IPP having the same hardware spec as M1 Macs it is beyond ridiculously easy to do this - Apple is just choosing not to allow this.
Almost all of us knew that #2 was never going to happen but many of us thought that Apple would at least move towards #1 at a quicker pace than iPadOS 15 updates which amounted to 1. last years iOS functionality (widgets everywhere) 2. Multitasking usability enhancements only but no new multitasking capabilities.
Universal Control was the kicker - don't try to ditch your Mac for an iPad - we want them side by side on your desk. Great, but double the cost and double the weight to carry around.
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This is also the most powerful setup and at least fit me nicely. Apple started earlier with trackpad/mouse support for iPad and that was cemented with the Magic Keyboards. Having MacOS and MacOS apps on iPad is doable but frankly, you need screen real estate to be productive. There is a reason people want the 27+ screens...That is what I do not think we see a 20-24 inch iPad but perhaps a 15 inch.
As I observed before: there is a gradient from only iPad users to only Mac users and everything in between and there is price and size options for every single imaginable combination usage.
Let the iPad being an iPad : lean, quick interactions, portable for non desk-operation and importantly pencil support (which fits non desktop operations nicely).
Let the Mac be Mac: 99% desktop usage (Also laptops are used on desks even if they can be moved from desk to desk). Large screens, more capabilities in terms of VM, command prompt etc.
Despite my Macrumour ID, I use Mac/iPad 70:30 ratio but it depends on what I am doing. For me the iPad is sufficient because when I am out of office I interact with people and the iPad is a superb companion for that while a laptop is not. On my desk is an iMac.
I agree with what you are saying except you need to acknowledge that having the best of both worlds would be possible with a dual boot iPad Pro. There would be no difference between an M1 MacBook Air and and 2021 iPad Pro booted into Big Sur with a magic keyboard except 1 thunderbolt port and an extra .3" of screen. none.
I dont think anyone needs to acknowledge anything just because you tell them too. It remains a terrible idea trying to run MacOS on an iPad. Just because you say it isn’t, doesn’t make it so.
The big difference which you’re missing when you say there is no difference, is that this is an iPad, not a macbook. It doesn’t need MacOS, and nor would MacOS be worth it on an iPad.
What it does need is iPadOS gaining more and more features, which it is doing, and the ability to work seamlessly between the two devices for those that want that, which is also slowly being rolled out.
Possible, yes.
Desirable? Maybe to a very small niche group of users who might be willing to take the effort to make it work. It would also go against Apple's core philosophy of simplicity and minimalism.
I don't see Apple making one, and not just because they would rather you buy 2-3 separate devices. It just doesn't fit with their overall vision, and it's not something the majority of users are going to need or want. At the end of the day, it all goes back to their grand theory of Apple, where the job of the iPad is to take on laptop tasks, while moving to make technology smaller and less confusing.
A dual-boot iPad / MacBook hybrid is the very antithesis of everything that Apple stands for. I think the design team would sooner burn Apple to the ground than allow such an abomination to exist.
I bet if you took a poll on this site who would like to have boot camp for iPad Pro the response would be in favor of “yes”. “Willing to make the effort to make it work”? It’s literally bootcamp which existed on Intel Mac for years and nobody thought it was too hard to make work. I agree that Apple would rather you buy separate devices but not because it compromises their grand vision but because of revenue. The device is 100% keyboard/trackpad Mac when booted into MacOS and 100% touch/keyboard/pencil driven iPad when booted into iPadOS. There is no compromise or change to either experience - calling it an abomination is pure drama.