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How did you measure SOT? IOS does not provide that kind of reporting. Did you use a third part app? I have both the Note 4 and 6+. I would say the battery life is about even. Though the N4 has the ultra battery saving mode that would last 3 days if needed.

I measured screen on time manually. I have my backlight adjusted to stay on for four minutes and that screen was probably off for 20 minutes all day. Not scientific I know, but I hardly put the thing down all day long.
 
I measured screen on time manually. I have my backlight adjusted to stay on for four minutes and that screen was probably off for 20 minutes all day. Not scientific I know, but I hardly put the thing down all day long.
Well TBH....... then your claim of 10 hours of on screen time is not very accurate.
 
I measured screen on time manually. I have my backlight adjusted to stay on for four minutes and that screen was probably off for 20 minutes all day. Not scientific I know, but I hardly put the thing down all day long.

lol that's not exactly an accurate way of measuring SOT.
 
8hrs of screen time with 8 hrs of tethering, with only a little over half the battery being consumed? Then you follow that up with a 58% charge from 42%, in 25 minutes time? I'm going to go ahead and call bull on this one. :confused:

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Exactly. You can leave the phone unplugged overnight while sleeping, and when you wake up, you'll have X hours of "usage". That stat means nothing at all to me.

does it with music even when the screen is off.
 
This may have been mentioned but, without root, is there a way to reverse the soft buttons? I'm a lefty and would love then switched around.
 
lol that's not exactly an accurate way of measuring SOT.

Having my screen 'on' all day long and then seeing how long the battery lasted isn't a very accurate method? Why ever not?
I literally spend *hours* browsing the web, I do very little else most days. I'm a rescue worker and often folks just don't need rescuing. I'm mainly holed-up in my hut browsing the web on my iPhone. The other day I was laid up poorly and had only just got my 6+, so I spent all day on that thing! Whilst my 'screen on time' might not be scientific enough for you guys, spending the entire day with my screen on until the battery died is about as scientific as it gets so far as I'm concerned.
 
Having my screen 'on' all day long and then seeing how long the battery lasted isn't a very accurate method? Why ever not?
I literally spend *hours* browsing the web, I do very little else most days. I'm a rescue worker and often folks just don't need rescuing. I'm mainly holed-up in my hut browsing the web on my iPhone. The other day I was laid up poorly and had only just got my 6+, so I spent all day on that thing! Whilst my 'screen on time' might not be scientific enough for you guys, spending the entire day with my screen on until the battery died is about as scientific as it gets so far as I'm concerned.

lol hey, if it works for you, that's the most important thing. However, in the end, you can't really say you know what your screen time is. It's highly unlikely you used your phone non-stop for that entire period of time, and thus your ESTIMATION would not be accurate at all, and certainly not reliable. Basically what you said amounts to, "I was able to use the phone how I wanted to, until it died". There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but it definitely doesn't give any reliable or useful information.
 
This may have been mentioned but, without root, is there a way to reverse the soft buttons? I'm a lefty and would love then switched around.
Don't think so.

To switch keys Generic.kl needs modding in device/system/usr/keylayout



And that needs root access.
 
Don't think so.

To switch keys Generic.kl needs modding in device/system/usr/keylayout



And that needs root access.

With all of the damn settings they have on this phone, you would think that would be a given!

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Is the idea behind google now launcher to make a device like the N4 appear more like a stock Android with our TW? Does this remove spen functionality?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.launcher&hl=en

A launcher basically just changes the home screen and app drawers. It does not change anything in regards to s-pen.

I use nova and try to make my phone look pretty close to stock, all of the s-pen features work.
 
What are you switching to?

Not sure. I may go back to the dark side and grab a ip6, I've been reading up and am impressed how many things ios8 has added. I'm also a bit fed up with the lack of customization and freedom on my phone, keep in mind it's AT&T so has a locked bootloader so no root. But even with root I have to change my entire rom just to get a dark theme, and even then I'll lose some pen function and other Note specific things. I'm kind of excited about jailbreaking though, these days it seems JB is easier than root, at least on AT&T. Plus the lag on the note 4 was just insane.

For now I'll go back to my note 3 which is lightning fast and rooted. I'm not out of Android yet, but part of the reason is I'm kind of tired of the larger phones. I like the MotoX and may grab one of those to play around with also.
 
Not sure. I may go back to the dark side and grab a ip6, I've been reading up and am impressed how many things ios8 has added. I'm also a bit fed up with the lack of customization and freedom on my phone, keep in mind it's AT&T so has a locked bootloader so no root. But even with root I have to change my entire rom just to get a dark theme, and even then I'll lose some pen function and other Note specific things. I'm kind of excited about jailbreaking though, these days it seems JB is easier than root, at least on AT&T. Plus the lag on the note 4 was just insane.

For now I'll go back to my note 3 which is lightning fast and rooted. I'm not out of Android yet, but part of the reason is I'm kind of tired of the larger phones. I like the MotoX and may grab one of those to play around with also.

I never tried to jailbreak my iphone 6, but the only thing that frustrated me was 3rd party apps. I know apple added the ability for some things to work with 3rd party apps, but a lot still did not work. For example, I store my photos on box (cloud storage) and I have to download the photos to share them with the messages app. It will only let you chose icloud photos or your physical library :(

Also, what lag are you experiencing? That is actually something I am noticing less of on the n4 compared to the iphone 6/6+
 
I never tried to jailbreak my iphone 6, but the only thing that frustrated me was 3rd party apps. I know apple added the ability for some things to work with 3rd party apps, but a lot still did not work. For example, I store my photos on box (cloud storage) and I have to download the photos to share them with the messages app. It will only let you chose icloud photos or your physical library :(

Also, what lag are you experiencing? That is actually something I am noticing less of on the n4 compared to the iphone 6/6+

I find i have more lag on my 6+ than my N4..........
 
Not sure. I may go back to the dark side and grab a ip6, I've been reading up and am impressed how many things ios8 has added. I'm also a bit fed up with the lack of customization and freedom on my phone, keep in mind it's AT&T so has a locked bootloader so no root. But even with root I have to change my entire rom just to get a dark theme, and even then I'll lose some pen function and other Note specific things. I'm kind of excited about jailbreaking though, these days it seems JB is easier than root, at least on AT&T. Plus the lag on the note 4 was just insane.

For now I'll go back to my note 3 which is lightning fast and rooted. I'm not out of Android yet, but part of the reason is I'm kind of tired of the larger phones. I like the MotoX and may grab one of those to play around with also.

You know I'm a fan of iOS but even then, knowing how you use your phone and what you expect out of it, i wouldn't recommend you go back to an iPhone. There are a few things you may like but overall, but I think you'll realize much of what frustrated you in the past is still there.

You seem to be quite happy with the Note 3--something specific (other than size) that's pushing you to switch, or is it just the same 'new gadget addiction' most of us here suffer from? If you must try something new, I think you've already hit on a great alternative--the Moto X. If I were to switch from an iPhone, it would either be for the Nexus 6 or the Moto X (or maybe the upcoming M9 is rumored specs are true :D).
 
You know I'm a fan of iOS but even then, knowing how you use your phone and what you expect out of it, i wouldn't recommend you go back to an iPhone. There are a few things you may like but overall, but I think you'll realize much of what frustrated you in the past is still there.

You seem to be quite happy with the Note 3--something specific (other than size) that's pushing you to switch, or is it just the same 'new gadget addiction' most of us here suffer from? If you must try something new, I think you've already hit on a great alternative--the Moto X. If I were to switch from an iPhone, it would either be for the Nexus 6 or the Moto X (or maybe the upcoming M9 is rumored specs are true :D).

Yeah I think I may check out the MotoX. The nexus 6 is too big for me, although I liked the Nexus 5 quite a bit. I think I want something that is not carrier restricted and can get android updates immediately instead of waiting 5 months.

And yes, part of it is the new gadget addiction Lol.

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I never tried to jailbreak my iphone 6, but the only thing that frustrated me was 3rd party apps. I know apple added the ability for some things to work with 3rd party apps, but a lot still did not work. For example, I store my photos on box (cloud storage) and I have to download the photos to share them with the messages app. It will only let you chose icloud photos or your physical library :(

Also, what lag are you experiencing? That is actually something I am noticing less of on the n4 compared to the iphone 6/6+

I find i have more lag on my 6+ than my N4..........

These are the areas where lag is the worst on my N4:

Opening email app, takes 10-15 seconds to open, it's nuts. This is even with it preloaded in the background. I don't know if maybe it's checking for mail or something.

Opening hangouts. First time it takes 5+ seconds, once it's preloaded then it only takes a second or so. But it's almost never preloaded because I always reset background apps, see below.

Switching from camera to gallery, this takes like 10-15 seconds, even just opening the camera at times can take 3 or 4 seconds.

Recent app menu takes a long time, this varies with how many apps are open. If no apps are open then it's fairly snappy, but the more apps are open the slower it is.

Overall opening apps and navigating can be laggy, not bad at all, but that little half second delay is noticeable. Playing with my wifes iPhone 6 and it's so fast, I would not be scared to use the word "instant". Especially with things like opening email. Now maybe the ip6 will slow down after time and after installing lots of apps, I don't know.

Things I have tried:
Turn animations off, lower them, increase them, etc etc.
Greenify helped a little bit
clear cache helps quite a bit, but only for a little while
factory reset, helps a lot but after a couple of days it progressively worsens

I'm also not super happy with touch wiz changing a lot of its elements to white, I hate the white themes but with Lollipop coming I suppose this is endemic to all android phones eventually.
 
Yeah I think I may check out the MotoX. The nexus 6 is too big for me, although I liked the Nexus 5 quite a bit. I think I want something that is not carrier restricted and can get android updates immediately instead of waiting 5 months.

And yes, part of it is the new gadget addiction Lol.

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These are the areas where lag is the worst on my N4:

Opening email app, takes 10-15 seconds to open, it's nuts. This is even with it preloaded in the background. I don't know if maybe it's checking for mail or something.

Opening hangouts. First time it takes 5+ seconds, once it's preloaded then it only takes a second or so. But it's almost never preloaded because I always reset background apps, see below.

Switching from camera to gallery, this takes like 10-15 seconds, even just opening the camera at times can take 3 or 4 seconds.

Recent app menu takes a long time, this varies with how many apps are open. If no apps are open then it's fairly snappy, but the more apps are open the slower it is.

Overall opening apps and navigating can be laggy, not bad at all, but that little half second delay is noticeable. Playing with my wifes iPhone 6 and it's so fast, I would not be scared to use the word "instant". Especially with things like opening email. Now maybe the ip6 will slow down after time and after installing lots of apps, I don't know.

Things I have tried:
Turn animations off, lower them, increase them, etc etc.
Greenify helped a little bit
clear cache helps quite a bit, but only for a little while
factory reset, helps a lot but after a couple of days it progressively worsens

I'm also not super happy with touch wiz changing a lot of its elements to white, I hate the white themes but with Lollipop coming I suppose this is endemic to all android phones eventually.
My experiences are no where near yours. Email and apps open almost instantaneously.......
 
I actually find my N4 to have a faster and more responsive UI than my 6+.

Have you enabled 'reduce motion' in accessibility on the iPhone 6, essentially turning off all the silly animations and replacing them with simple fades. Speeds up the UI a massive ton. Just like I always turn off the animation scale to 0x on samsung devices. I find both the + and alpha to be super snappy now.

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Opening hangouts. First time it takes 5+ seconds, once it's preloaded then it only takes a second or so. But it's almost never preloaded because I always reset background apps, see below.

Switching from camera to gallery, this takes like 10-15 seconds, even just opening the camera at times can take 3 or 4 seconds.

is yours a branded Note 4 - could it be carrier modifications causing this ? I ask simply because my Alpha which is unbranded - doesn't have these issues and has 1gb less ram. Gallery opens straight away whether from the camera app or home screens - and hangouts likewise is straight away.
 
Have you enabled 'reduce motion' in accessibility on the iPhone 6, essentially turning off all the silly animations and replacing them with simple fades. Speeds up the UI a massive ton. Just like I always turn off the animation scale to 0x on samsung devices. I find both the + and alpha to be super snappy now.
My animations are set to the image below.
 

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Note 4 Is really nice but the OLED screen throws me off, (every OLED device I have owned has got permanent screen burn in only months after of owning it, even being a control freak in keeping the brightness extra low and making sure I dont stay on one screen too long for burn in and it still occured) and that is just really annoying and i dont wanna have to "watch" my screen from it getting burn in, dont usually ever have that issue on LCD displays today
 
Have you enabled 'reduce motion' in accessibility on the iPhone 6, essentially turning off all the silly animations and replacing them with simple fades. Speeds up the UI a massive ton. Just like I always turn off the animation scale to 0x on samsung devices. I find both the + and alpha to be super snappy now.

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is yours a branded Note 4 - could it be carrier modifications causing this ? I ask simply because my Alpha which is unbranded - doesn't have these issues and has 1gb less ram. Gallery opens straight away whether from the camera app or home screens - and hangouts likewise is straight away.

It's an AT&T model, which I'm sure is the most onerous for crapware. I've disabled whatever I was allowed to disable, but the AT&T ones cannot be rooted so I can't freeze things in titanium or disable system level stuff. But yeah, that probably has a lot to do with it.

The alpha is very nice, another contender for sure.
 
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