You've SEEN it or you've HEARD it? Are you talking about first hand knowledge where you saw the offense and the subsequent misrepresentation? Or just the aftermath?
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Gamer Nexus vs. Linus Media Group
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Yes and that’s why us and the entire community talking about it is a bad idea. We have NO DETAILS on the other side. She said it was in inappropriate…..I’m asking for the proof here. One side is ALL WE HAVE. We therefore cannot have a good faith discussion on it because it will inherently be biased on the ONE SIDE since that is all we have.
This is very very VERY SERIOUS. And you NEED both sides.
Yes I seen it. That’s why you usually have three people if you deal with opposite sex meetings. I was pulled in because I was that third person one time.
Why is this such a surprise to some people? It’s pretty common thing.
I disagree
Yes, you are 100% correct, its very serious, so much so, it should not be allowed to be swept under the rug. By all appearances it already was swept under the rug once (when she worked there)
It seems like she tried reporting it and was told that they want a no drama contract.
I agree, we don't know what occurred from a management perspective and what reporting was made, but they (LTT) promised to publish the findings. I'm like 99% sure they'll detail that the process broke down and people failed and promise to do better - basically the same thing they've been saying for each of these controversies
It’s not being swept under the rug. There is a third party investigation going on now.
Not now, because it was brought to light. This is why I think its approrpiate to talk about it. It was swept under the rug before
I respect your opinion and understanding how there's two sides to every story and if you're uncomfortable about continuing to engage on this specific topic, that's fine, but I think many of us want too discuss it
Bringing it to light and having millions in the community talking about it are two things.
How can we legitimately discuss it if we only have one side? That will inherently bias the conversation to that one side.
No matter how much you complain, it doesn't change that we all are talking about it - you may not like that, and again you have a right to your opinion but I have mine and I don't mind talking about it.
People are talking about it, people will continue to talk about it, and you posting that we shouldn't isn't going to change that.
Why is it so wrong to require both sides of a situation? I’m shocked at this. We can’t talk about it in good faith if we only have one SEVERE side of a situation.
I mean just [REDACTED] themselves just to get a day off work? If true people should get criminal charges IMO. But I’m not talking about it because we only have one side. These are some of the most severe accusations I have heard.
Bottom line is, that people (including me) are and will continue to talk about it. You may disagree and that's fine.
I think we're talking past each other and I don't think we're getting anywhere, so much so. I think I'm just going to go down the path of agreeing to disagree. So at this point I'll just move on.
Peace and regards
Agreed. Now we can talk about how they are handling certain things. Like apparently there will be a WAN show. Which is a very VERY BAD idea. They need to go radio silent for a bit for live podcast level of content. One small slip up can make the situation much worse.
I may be the only one, but with this whole debacle, I think Luke came off looking really bad. He states he's there as guardrails for Linus but really didn't push hard enough regarding the Billet Labs stuff. They have talked in the past that Luke will rein Linus in, say difficult things and generally be there help keep things centered.
He failed in many aspects and I don't think he came off looking good.
Not only that….if you need someone always there to reign a person in, you got problems in general.
Linus really needs to work on his attitude. It really should not be up to Luke to keep him at bay.
The investigation is still critical. We need to know WHO was involved, as well as WHAT was done about it.
I don't think it's true that NOTHING was done about it in the aftermath. Given the leaked HR videos that happened very shortly after she left, Linus actually did know about these things and did seem to them as serious issues (albeit much too late). The problem, from what I can tell, is that the company (more specifically, a lot of people who worked there) largely blamed her for "creating drama" about the situation rather than respecting the fact that she obviously felt very uncomfortable and was raising serious concerns that should have been respected. This is a serious issue, and when this sort of stuff happens, it's usually indicative of a broader culture issue at the company (and typically indicates that this is a problem that frequently gets swept under the rug, although again, there is a lot we do not know about this situation.)
That sort of thing is incredibly psychologically damaging, and it can cause people to be silent about these things for a long time out of fear. I've been in situations like this myself, and all I will say is that the psychological toll that this takes (especially being demonized by large groups of people who are protecting the status quo rather than standing up for the truth) can drive people to nervous breakdowns.
This is all very preliminary, and is why it's very important that the investigation happens. We NEED to know who was involved and we need to know exactly what was done about it in the aftermath, and that will have HUGE implications for what this means for the future of LMG (seriously, we cannot know what this means for LMG without knowing the details on who was involved and the other side of the story on how it was handled). I'm still subscribed to the channel personally, I am not going to rush to judgment on it. I believe Madison after reading her story (and the stories of coworkers who have corroborated her story, which helps immensely). I hope that she is treated fairly, and I hope that the internet does not rush to judgment against her (from the sounds of it, she's already faced enough of that already).
I don't think it's true that NOTHING was done about it in the aftermath. Given the leaked HR videos that happened very shortly after she left, Linus actually did know about these things and did seem to them as serious issues (albeit much too late). The problem, from what I can tell, is that the company (more specifically, a lot of people who worked there) largely blamed her for "creating drama" about the situation rather than respecting the fact that she obviously felt very uncomfortable and was raising serious concerns that should have been respected. This is a serious issue, and when this sort of stuff happens, it's usually indicative of a broader culture issue at the company (and typically indicates that this is a problem that frequently gets swept under the rug, although again, there is a lot we do not know about this situation.)
That sort of thing is incredibly psychologically damaging, and it can cause people to be silent about these things for a long time out of fear. I've been in situations like this myself, and all I will say is that the psychological toll that this takes (especially being demonized by large groups of people who are protecting the status quo rather than standing up for the truth) can drive people to nervous breakdowns.
This is all very preliminary, and is why it's very important that the investigation happens. We NEED to know who was involved and we need to know exactly what was done about it in the aftermath, and that will have HUGE implications for what this means for the future of LMG (seriously, we cannot know what this means for LMG without knowing the details on who was involved and the other side of the story on how it was handled). I'm still subscribed to the channel personally, I am not going to rush to judgment on it. I believe Madison after reading her story (and the stories of coworkers who have corroborated her story, which helps immensely). I hope that she is treated fairly, and I hope that the internet does not rush to judgment against her (from the sounds of it, she's already faced enough of that already).
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Yep glad I’m not the only one that says we need more information.
Not only that he's there "as guardrails for Linus" but that it's been said out loud.... acknowledging that there is a problem but also admitting that nothing will be done to fundamentally address the root problem. There's a word for that behavior: "enabling."
Some things that I and others reacted to seeing their response video and made it feel shallow and forced were that they kept mentioneing their store, they monetized the video and removed the monetization again only after negative reactions from their community, Linus again getting emotional and they still tried to joke about the problems and didn't agree to all the criticism.
Apparently the subscriber count was incorrect but they've still lost almost 400K subscribers in total. Here are the numbers for all of their channels:
LTT: around -230,000 from 15.6 million to 15.374
ShortCircuit: around -33,000 from 2.23 million to 2.19
TechLinked: around -33,000 from 1.87 million to 1.837
Techquickie: around -30,000 from 4.28 million to 4.25
GameLinked: around -14,000 from 0.424 million to 0.410
LMG Clips: around -14,000 from 0.569 million to 0.555
Channel Super Fun: around -11,000 from 1.290 million to 1.279
Mac Address: around -7,000 from 0.587 million to 0.580
They're just movies: around -3,000 from 0.144 million to 0.141
Apparently the subscriber count was incorrect but they've still lost almost 400K subscribers in total. Here are the numbers for all of their channels:
LTT: around -230,000 from 15.6 million to 15.374
ShortCircuit: around -33,000 from 2.23 million to 2.19
TechLinked: around -33,000 from 1.87 million to 1.837
Techquickie: around -30,000 from 4.28 million to 4.25
GameLinked: around -14,000 from 0.424 million to 0.410
LMG Clips: around -14,000 from 0.569 million to 0.555
Channel Super Fun: around -11,000 from 1.290 million to 1.279
Mac Address: around -7,000 from 0.587 million to 0.580
They're just movies: around -3,000 from 0.144 million to 0.141
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I'm really hoping this is the start of the melt down of the media empire. He's doing too much and pretty much spamming YouTube with content. I couldn't put a finger on it, but after watching that lame apology video and witnessing Linus own anger issues, I sense he's very competitive. Its like he wants to be the only tech YouTuber on the platform. While Mac Address is good, is it necessary? I think a variety of influencers need to exist. Even iJustine with her OMG's is necessary. Jonathan Morris hardly does tech videos anymore and there are so many others who just stopped because the zero sum nature of channels like LTT. Its like Netflix and Disney+ there are only so many channels you can watch and subscribe to. LTT has done a good job at ensuring you can't run or hide from any of his. Why you think that? Its a money grab. And money is why he is in this current hot water.
I've never put too much stock into "tech youtubers" because i personally don't think they are very well versed in what they claim to do. LTT is really no exception here, but given the amount of benchmarks these types of channels run I'm honestly not surprised there are some mistakes/inconsistencies in their data.
From what I read, the way LTT handled that prototype heatsink was due to miscommunication clearly because they are constantly trying to put out new videos which also explains the mistakes in the benchmarks.
However, I'm surprised at all the (earlier in this thread) praise for the GN guy. What he did is completely and utterly unprofessional without even getting in touch with Linus beforehand. Their channels are competitors and its clearly a conflict of interest to make a video calling a competitor out for inconsistencies in their data without even talking to them before hand. All of which seemed based on an off-the-cuff remark by a random employee at LTT. Furthermore, I disagree with the descriptions of GN videos being "dense technically". they are neither, just repeating benchmarks over and over doesn't make their content better "technically". They make make entertainment videos, not a technical manuals.
In any case this drama between entertainers really is not as important as those sexual harrassment allegations from a former LMG employee which turns this into a serious problem; I hope those are adequately addressed.
From what I read, the way LTT handled that prototype heatsink was due to miscommunication clearly because they are constantly trying to put out new videos which also explains the mistakes in the benchmarks.
However, I'm surprised at all the (earlier in this thread) praise for the GN guy. What he did is completely and utterly unprofessional without even getting in touch with Linus beforehand. Their channels are competitors and its clearly a conflict of interest to make a video calling a competitor out for inconsistencies in their data without even talking to them before hand. All of which seemed based on an off-the-cuff remark by a random employee at LTT. Furthermore, I disagree with the descriptions of GN videos being "dense technically". they are neither, just repeating benchmarks over and over doesn't make their content better "technically". They make make entertainment videos, not a technical manuals.
In any case this drama between entertainers really is not as important as those sexual harrassment allegations from a former LMG employee which turns this into a serious problem; I hope those are adequately addressed.
If you persistently hate on Apple, karma will eventually get you.
If anything Steve indirectly helped Madison, as I don't think she would have said anything if the Steve report never saw the light of day.
I'm sure there's definitely some schadenfreude for many of us, but I don't want to see a full on meltdown. He's a human with shortcomings just like you and I.
I hope he doesn't get "cancelled" like so many other people have of late because of mistakes. He needs to address any and all of the issues with LMG and ensure the work environment is not what Madison accuses LMG of but overall I don't want to see his media group go down the drain
Karma has nothing to do with Linus' trouble, but rather his own actions have caused this, and no not because of hate on Apple.
GN didnt attack LMG they reported concerns on data accuracy, ethics and doubling down on their errors with supporting data as they have done with others. This is an aspect of what GN does as are accurate component & system reviews.
Had GN not reported, LMG would have continued down the same path which is both unfair to providers & potential customers alike. More so with LMG wanting to move to be a premier lab for consumer products. I dont see any conflict or was GN looking to capitalise.
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His actions certainly played a role, such as hating on Apple. I believe a higher power is absolutely deep in the Apple ecosystem and this is karma at play.